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Ron paul wants the constitution back and the IRS gone

11-09-2007, 06:40 PM

The media is trying to suppress him.. he came out first on all polls.. make sure to support him. He wants to fuck the corrupt government in the ass. It's the
chance for america to crawl back out of the pit it came from.

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11-09-2007, 06:43 PM

Never going to happen. People dont like radical change.
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11-09-2007, 06:44 PM

Watch it, it's time for a change, he raised 4 mil trough the internet in 24 hours never been done before.
And it's not radical, it's natural.

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11-09-2007, 06:46 PM

You know, I have a hard time being 100% in support of any candidate from Texas... esp. a Republican... but he says all the right things, except for being pro-life... I don't know anymore...
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11-09-2007, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Never going to happen. People don't like radical change.

People also don't like anyone who comes along and tells them everything is not OK. To many people before him have convinced them everything is fine and they don't want to let go of that...
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11-09-2007, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by minusonebit

People also don't like anyone who comes along and tells them everything is not OK. To many people before him have convinced them everything is fine and they don't want to let go of that...

Hopefully people wake up
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11-09-2007, 06:51 PM

I never liked republicans either till I saw this one

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11-09-2007, 07:30 PM

he has some great ideas but doesnt have a chance in hell imo
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11-09-2007, 07:35 PM

It is admirable to want to ditch the IRS and reform the tax situation in the US but being President alone will not make it happen. You would need The House and The Senate to go along with it which, unfortunately, isn't likely to happen.
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11-09-2007, 07:38 PM

4% of republicans and 0% of democrats think Ron Paul is the right choice.

That means 96% of people are smart enough to see that he is clueless.
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11-09-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by anarchy

Ron paul wants the constitution back and the IRS gone

and I want a toilet made out of gold.

so what?

I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
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11-09-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by RawAlex

4% of republicans and 0% of democrats think Ron Paul is the right choice.

That means 96% of people are smart enough to see that he is clueless.

He goes against party lines so of course the Republicans don't like him. And why would the Dems think he is the right choice? None of the Dems think a republican is the right choice.

People fear change.

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11-09-2007, 08:01 PM

It's corpocracy not democracy.

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11-09-2007, 08:02 PM

You are not allowed to vote for who you want. US companies will select the best candidates to preserve their financial interests.

Corpocracy stinks.

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11-09-2007, 08:03 PM

They finance both sides, select both democrat/republican candidates, and always win.

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11-09-2007, 08:04 PM

He's pro gun, he got my vote.
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11-09-2007, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by xmas13

It's corpocracy not democracy.

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That sounds about right.
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11-09-2007, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

He goes against party lines so of course the Republicans don't like him. And why would the Dems think he is the right choice? None of the Dems think a republican is the right choice.

People fear change.

No people fear someone who comes in and says "you are doing it all wrong" and the proposes nothing to truly replace it.

Get rid of the IRS. Get rid of the UN. Get rid of those pesky abortion clinics. Get rid of government.

It's easy to say all that stuff, but you can't tear anything down until you have a proper plan to replace it. Ron Paul is just saying a bunch of shit that libertarians will whack off to, but it is meaningless and not at all connected with the reality of the world today.
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11-09-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by RawAlex

No people fear someone who comes in and says "you are doing it all wrong" and the proposes nothing to truly replace it.

Get rid of the IRS. Get rid of the UN. Get rid of those pesky abortion clinics. Get rid of government.

It's easy to say all that stuff, but you can't tear anything down until you have a proper plan to replace it. Ron Paul is just saying a bunch of shit that libertarians will whack off to, but it is meaningless and not at all connected with the reality of the world today.

He does give all the answers, just look at the second last video of the page
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Founding fathers would carry this guy on their arms

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11-09-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by anarchy

He does give all the answers, just look at the second last video of the page
http://www.teaparty07.com/

Founding fathers would carry this guy on their arms

Do you really think I am going to watch an almost 2 hour video to find out in the end that he is just a garden variety wacko?

Seriously, I have a long attention span compared to the MYV generation. If this is how the message is getting spread, he needs to hire a new team.
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11-09-2007, 09:20 PM

what system does he have in mind that would replace IRS?

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11-09-2007, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by kenny

what system does he have in mind that would replace IRS?

I dont think he actually wants to replace the IRS itself, he just wants to cut taxes big time, something sure to be popular with government contractors.
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11-10-2007, 01:19 PM

It's positions like this that are advertised that only set back Ron Paul.

The IRS isn't going anywhere and I'm not sure that it should. This isn't the 18th century anymore. I don't support everything that Ron Paul stands for but on some major issues he is right and would have a chance at changing things-Think Iraq war - he wants out. Think illegal immigration - he wants to control this. All polls indicate this is also what Americans want. Most of the other candidates are still behind the failure that is the Iraq invasion and only pay lip service to problems of immigration and other social concerns. I think Ron Paul's track record shows he means what he says.

While some of his positions idealistic (or unrealistic), he would at least try to put us on a different course, and I think we need to try to steer ourselves on a different course. The other candidates don't seem to think so.
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11-10-2007, 01:22 PM

jesus, i always hated the word "sheeple" until i saw this guy. i just don't know how else to describe anyone that really believes this guy stands a chance or even makes any sense within the actual context of how a government, legal system, economy and nation function in the real world.
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11-10-2007, 01:45 PM

Mike, if you are going to propose a different course, propose a different course. He isn't doing that, he is just "we will get out of the UN, we will kill the IRS, we will get the government out of your life... unless you want an abortion, then we will be up your ass like a bad hemeroid".

Tearing down a building is easy. But without a plan, you aren't going to have anything except a pile of garbage once you knock it over.
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11-10-2007, 01:48 PM

You do realize Ozzy Osborne could probably have raised 10 million.
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11-10-2007, 01:56 PM

Also he can want to do whatever he wants but he is president not king. If he became president you would see the greatest bipartisan teamwork in the history of our government to stop this guy at every turn.
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11-10-2007, 02:06 PM

His message has GLOBAL appeal. I'm an American citizen living in the Philippines and I strongly believe that a lot of his policy prescriptions apply here as well.

In particular, the reason many 3rd World countries are poor is because of a closed economy that fosters monopolies which rob consumers blind. A freer economy would result in higher purchasing power and greater labor mobility.

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11-10-2007, 02:17 PM

Ron Paul has been looking like a very interesting candidate lately.
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11-10-2007, 02:23 PM

In particular, the reason many 3rd World countries are poor is because of a closed economy that fosters monopolies which rob consumers blind. A freer economy would result in higher purchasing power and greater labor mobility.

That is a very, very simplistic view of things. You don't think it might have something more to do with series of petty dictators and near dictators that tilt things to the benefit of their supports and screw the common man? Perhaps institutionalized corruption might play into it a little bit. Again, just saying "open your borders and be free" is a simplistic view of what ails the world.
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11-10-2007, 02:53 PM

i like his ideas and i like how he stands on his own two feet and says what he feels is right. not like the majority of the other candidates that are up there saying what someone wants them to say. in my opinion he is a man amongst boys and he has my vote.
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11-10-2007, 03:00 PM

Wasn't able to quote -

"His message has GLOBAL appeal. I'm an American citizen living in the Philippines and I strongly believe that a lot of his policy prescriptions apply here as well.

In particular, the reason many 3rd World countries are poor is because of a closed economy that fosters monopolies which rob consumers blind. A freer economy would result in higher purchasing power and greater labor mobility."

I would agree with this statement.
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11-10-2007, 03:22 PM

i like what he has on his site. but as a middle america living transplant from Los angeles, i wish him lotsa luck. the good ole boys aint inta newfangled idears and weirdo things like that even if he is saying lets get back to the basics.
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11-11-2007, 09:36 AM

He's the only worthy true american imo, I respect the guy to have the balls to speak up, I haven't witnessed this before..

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11-11-2007, 11:02 AM

That is a very, very simplistic view of things. You don't think it might have something more to do with series of petty dictators and near dictators that tilt things to the benefit of their supports and screw the common man? Perhaps institutionalized corruption might play into it a little bit. Again, just saying "open your borders and be free" is a simplistic view of what ails the world.

You mean petty dictators that the United States has continued to support again and again out of convenience?
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11-11-2007, 11:03 AM

Hillary or gore will win. It will be a dem for sure
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11-11-2007, 11:20 AM

Hillary or gore will win. It will be a dem for sure

Correct. Consequently, no fundamental change will occur, especially if Hillary is elected.
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11-11-2007, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by RawAlex

Mike, if you are going to propose a different course, propose a different course. He isn't doing that, he is just "we will get out of the UN, we will kill the IRS, we will get the government out of your life... unless you want an abortion, then we will be up your ass like a bad hemeroid".

Tearing down a building is easy. But without a plan, you aren't going to have anything except a pile of garbage once you knock it over.

It has never been his position to just go in and blow up every government program and bureaucracy he can, while he can, and just sit back and watch what happens. Read up on his positions, he does propose alternatives and transition plans for all of his "radical" ideas.

Currently *all* of our income tax goes to pay one thing. The national debt. He's proposed to balance the budget, stop deficit spending, stop the war, end the war on drugs, cut government programs, and give more power back to the states. If/when he can get the government operating within its means, he would phase out the IRS, since it would no longer be needed, seeing as the only thing our taxes our used for is to pay the debt that congress keeps inflicting us with. He's been very specific about how he wants to do this.

On a side note, he is personally pro-life, but concedes abortion as a states rights issue. Either way, even though presidential candidates love to go on and on about abortion to reel in votes from their base, they really dont have the ability to do a damn thing about it, aside from stacking the courts with biased judges.

Not that he would have the power as president to accomplish much of what he would like to do... so its kind of moot, anyways.

If anything, he will at least (I hope) turn the frame of debate in Washington towards fixing and minimizing the federal government and returning power to the states. Currently, the mainstream candidates are bickering over the different ways to expand the federal governments power.

While I support him, I am realistic. I know he really doesn't stand a chance, but I will be voting for him anyways. Unless you live in a swing state, where there's going to be a close election, your vote really wont count for anything anyways, except making your voice heard.

The fundraising efforts do give me a bit of hope though, he's doing really well. Especially considering he doesn't take any donations from corporations.

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11-12-2007, 03:08 PM

In Europe, Ron Paul is a very popular man.

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11-12-2007, 03:24 PM

Side note... the IRS does not need replacing...

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11-12-2007, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Never going to happen. People dont like radical change.

Originally posted by minusonebit

People also don't like anyone who comes along and tells them everything is not OK. To many people before him have convinced them everything is fine and they don't want to let go of that...

Who are all these "people" you are referring to? The ignorant masses?

I know plenty of friends, and family who are READY for a radical change from the norm. Wanting action, and not the same old bullshit pandering.

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11-12-2007, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by xmas13

It's corpocracy not democracy.

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I believe you are trying to water down King Bush's fascism.

Luckily for the establishment the vast majority of America has been dumbed down to ignorant mother fuckers who care about trivial shit we see on Fox News, or celebrity scandals.

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11-12-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by jonesonyou

Side note... the IRS does not need replacing...

Are you kidding?

Nobody and I mean nobody, not even the IRS can understand its own tax codes. If you have a system where even the director has to hire a professional to help him navigate the over complex rules and items that contradict others rules, you know you have a messed up system. Hell even with that professional there is no certainty that you did not break the tax code depending on who is interpreting it.

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