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BradM · 11-09-2007, 02:52 PM

Heh Rip that's why we get along, same taste in cars.

MediumPimpin · 11-09-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluid

I was actually looking at one for Tia, the 3 is getting a little long in the tooth (over 120,000km now) and I actually like the look of the 1. Can't find it up here yet though

It's not out yet, after the first of the year.

sublimed · 11-09-2007, 02:53 PM

The a5 comes out soon right? I heard the s5 is killer.

MediumPimpin · 11-09-2007, 02:56 PM

1 series link,

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...8_bmw_1_series

CDSmith · 11-09-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

No Cd,couldn't do it. Being my first site,it's still worth more to me than I think anyone else would ever be willing to pay. You know how that is.

Glad to hear it. That site is a little piece of history on the web for me, it wouldn't feel right being run by some other shmuck.

Okay that may not have come out right... :D

polish_aristocrat · 11-09-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaysin

get with the times man, when i have a kid i'll most likely buy them a good car for their 16th birthday, even though when i turn 16 i was told to get a job, and got a shitty car

no offence but thats kinda stupid

you really have to teach your kids the value of money

when you earn your money, you appreciate it
if you receive everything you want, you get spoiled (in 99% of cases)

the first car can be as well a used car, no need for a new one, neither a luxury one

well but if you're really a multi-millionaire and so are your friends and everyone in your neighborhood, then perhaps different rules apply

buzzy · 11-09-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ServerGenius

The RS4 is better than a M3 hands down.....oh it has 100Bhp more than the
beamer. It's a safer car, it has better handling, it's more comfortable and it
looks classier.....The engine of the RS4 is probably 1 of the best engines ever
made......8000Rpm from a V8, 4 wheel drive....I could go on and on......

The bad stuff written above about audi's A4 are all things you could
encounter in the "entry" A4 models the entry beamer models have their
problems too......none of that will you ever experience in the RS4 though..

lmao, but the RS4 is like double the price of the BMW. The RS4 can only JUST beat the M3 in a drag race, but the M3 is faster round the track. (They done a test on top gear, each of the presenters had a grudge on which car was better). I'd rather buy the M3 and save a chunk of change, I still love the RS4 though .

MediumPimpin · 11-09-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

no offence but thats kinda stupid

you really have to teach your kids the value of money

when you earn your money, you appreciate it
if you receive everything you want, you get spoiled (in 99% of cases)

the first car can be as well a used car, no need for a new one, neither a luxury one

well but if you're really a multi-millionaire and so are your friends and everyone in your neighborhood, then perhaps different rules apply

For me it's piece of mind, my daughter will need to drive back form her moms house to mine (2 hour drive), at 16 she will be going to High school 4 hours a day then to college split shift.

I want her in a car with all the right safety features, navigation, panic buttons and so on.

For a 350.00 lease a month that is worth it to keep her safe.

sublimed · 11-09-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

no offence but thats kinda stupid

you really have to teach your kids the value of money

when you earn your money, you appreciate it
if you receive everything you want, you get spoiled (in 99% of cases)

the first car can be as well a used car, no need for a new one, neither a luxury one

well but if you're really a multi-millionaire and so are your friends and everyone in your neighborhood, then perhaps different rules apply

you are kinda stupid

sublimed · 11-09-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

lmao, but the RS4 is like double the price of the BMW. The RS4 can only JUST beat the M3 in a drag race, but the M3 is faster round the track. (They done a test on top gear, each of the presenters had a grudge on which car was better). I'd rather buy the M3 and save a chunk of change, I still love the RS4 though .

damn thats hard to believe a rwd car out handled the awd. I would like to see that Top Gear show.

V_RocKs · 11-09-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

She's in college,and is doing an internship now with the district attorneys office. A few more years and she will hopefully pass the BAR exam. So she has worked very hard and continues too. I made a deal with her that as long as she does well in school and does NOT get arrested,I would help her financially.
Her first car I bought her when she turned 16 was a new Eclipse. I do agree,that 16 year olds don't deserve luxury cars.

Sounds like your daughter and the car are a perfect match!

BradM · 11-09-2007, 03:09 PM

I was taught the value of money. I was never given any. So I learned to earn it.

lucas131 · 11-09-2007, 03:10 PM

I have Audi A4 and really recommend it!

CDSmith · 11-09-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sublimed

you are kinda stupid

That may be, but the post you quoted isn't really all that stupid. For one thing, most cars made since the late 90's have most of the latest safety features required for any car to be considered "safe" these days. For another, I don't know if it's teaching "the value of money" so much as just plain work ethic and the feeling that the kid accomplished something for themselves. At 16 to 18 yrs of age a car is probably the single largest purchase a kid that age would ever make, for most people anyway.

When I was that age I was no different, I too wanted a car. My old man said "You want a car? Great, go get a job and earn one"

Which I did.

I was even able to take out a small loan ($1200 I believe) from my bank, which I paid off in 1 year. The car: a steel-blue '74 Chevelle Malibu. That was in 1980 that I bought it, and although it was my first car I can tell you it meant a great deal to me. A great deal.

I don't begrudge my dad one iota that he didn't just go out and buy me a car. I realize others have different circumstances in their family and lives etc, but it' s been my experience that every time I hear about a parent buying their kid a new car it always ends badly for all concerned. The kid invariably just doesn't value it like they would if they had had to work for it and aquire it themselves, and they end up smashing the gift up.

I'm sure there are exceptions out there, and exceptional kids. I just haven't known of any, that's all.

sublimed · 11-09-2007, 03:26 PM

when your parents are millionaires that changes everything. You guys are living in the 80's.

Minte · 11-09-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

your girl needs to get a job not Audi.

She's in law school. She works harder than I do.

CDSmith · 11-09-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sublimed

when your parents are millionaires that changes everything.

Maybe it shouldn't. Work ethic is a valuable thing. Instilling it in your kids is even moreso valuable.

That said, I'm sure Minte knows what he's doing.

ServerGenius · 11-09-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sublimed

damn thats hard to believe a rwd car out handled the awd. I would like to see that Top Gear show.

it doesn't exist that show......there is the show where Jeremy Clarkson
raves about the 2007 RS4 and where he says several times...this is MUCH
better than any M3......b.t.w. the Audi isn't double the price of an M3
An Audi RS4 in the UK costs 50K pounds sterling......I don't believe you
buy a 2007 M3 in the UK for 25K pounds sterling

DirtyProfits · 11-09-2007, 03:41 PM

I love the Audi A4 Avant. In my opinion Audi has better quality than BMW and in Germany Audi was voted the best car brand 3 years in a row.

ServerGenius · 11-09-2007, 03:43 PM

And to proof I'm not joking......here's the Top Gear Audi RS4 Test

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KVwWybsFAQ4

Stick that in your sports exhaust

PornDiscounts-R · 11-09-2007, 03:44 PM

i would take the audi as well.
Dosent sound good what happend to you BradM.. but audi makes damn fine cars imo

edit... not that i ever owned one lol

Ross · 11-09-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

She's in college,and is doing an internship now with the district attorneys office. A few more years and she will hopefully pass the BAR exam. So she has worked very hard and continues too. I made a deal with her that as long as she does well in school and does NOT get arrested,I would help her financially.
Her first car I bought her when she turned 16 was a new Eclipse. I do agree,that 16 year olds don't deserve luxury cars.

I'd go for the BMW btw. Everytime. But if she wants an Audi, take her to the dealership and let her test drive it, then take her to the BMW dealership and let her test drive that too.

btw, totally cool what you did for her man! Much respect.

If I ever have kids, I'll be making a deal like that with them, such as the one you did with your daughter. Sounds like she's making you proud, she sure deserves a nice car. Sounds like you got a good one there!

ianlester · 11-09-2007, 03:50 PM

Audi all the way... IMHO safer too

iheartbucks · 11-09-2007, 03:51 PM

I have a BMW 3 series, very nice car, Audi's are nice but have to be maintained

frostyimpressions · 11-09-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

How old is she?

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids but I really don't think any parent should get their kids luxury cars. How is that going to help them learn the value of hard work? Everything that I've had I've worked and paid for my entire life.

I second that. She's going to think that everything will come easy to her if you keep buying her stuff like this.

Minte · 11-09-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyimpressions

I second that. She's going to think that everything will come easy to her if you keep buying her stuff like this.

I'm not getting her a Bentley. I am getting a decent quality,safe,reliable car.

She clearly knows the meaning of work. She is putting 18hours a week in the DA's office and is a full time student.

I prefer to look at it as incentive. Everynight you turn on the news and you see kids getting into all sorts of trouble. My daughter knows the rules,if she continues on the right path,she will be rewarded. If she doesn't she will just be another schmuck with a bunch of sorry excuses.

One semester when she was in highschool she fell of highhonors and the eclipse was parked for a full quarter.

I've never had to park her car since.

rip raster · 11-09-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Heh Rip that's why we get along, same taste in cars.

Yeah man, I think you had probably seen my Beemer when I was still driving it. What model/body style was the one that you had? If I remember correctly you also drove a Jeep for awhile.

BEEMERS totally rock!! They are one of my all time favorite cars. My little 325 fits me like a glove it's definitely a drivers car. In the cockpit all the instruments and gauges are in the perfect position for the driver, and with it being lowered with Bilstien racing suspension it really hooks up nice on the road. I can literally drive sideways down the road and then ease off on the accelerator a bit and bam it will pretty much straighten itself out. They handle pretty good with stock suspension but it's like night and day when compared with the bilstien's.

I sold a bone stock beemer to a buddy a few years back and he did a few mods. when he got it. Exhaust, ram air with K&N filter charger and a few others pretty much on par to what I have on my current beemer, but without the suspension upgrade. I had the opportunity to drive the car a few months back and although being quite a fun ride I could really notice the difference the suspension makes and not just in cornering. Acceleration with the stock suspension isn't as snappy due to body roll and it doesn't hook up nearly as nice in the corners.

CDSmith · 11-09-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyimpressions

I second that. She's going to think that everything will come easy to her if you keep buying her stuff like this.

You may have missed this post...

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Originally Posted by Minte

She's in college,and is doing an internship now with the district attorneys office. A few more years and she will hopefully pass the BAR exam. So she has worked very hard and continues too. I made a deal with her that as long as she does well in school and does NOT get arrested,I would help her financially.
Her first car I bought her when she turned 16 was a new Eclipse. I do agree,that 16 year olds don't deserve luxury cars.

My later comments in this thread were pointed more towards all the parents out there who just go out and buy their kids cars as presents simply because they can afford them. From what I've seen of it that only serves to further spoil them, rotten in many cases.

I don't see Minte and his daughter falling into that category, he seems to have found a way to ensure she has a good work ethic, which is the main issue here at least as far as I'm concerned.

Persius · 11-09-2007, 04:38 PM

Bmw is more reliable.... audi + vw bahh problems

Twisted Dave · 11-09-2007, 05:52 PM

Tell her to go and get a job and earn her right to own one.

Rui · 11-09-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

How old is she?

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids but I really don't think any parent should get their kids luxury cars. How is that going to help them learn the value of hard work? Everything that I've had I've worked and paid for my entire life.

Exactly....

Twisted Dave · 11-09-2007, 05:58 PM

Oh ignore me.

Rui · 11-09-2007, 06:01 PM

And what about...

Edit: Not the S5 but the "normal S-line" 3.0 diesel (or 3.2 otto :X)

Star 69 · 11-09-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

get her an RS4 ;)

It's a fucking sweet ride

mightyjoe · 11-09-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

Minte what u do in the industry?

he just run this site http://www.mintesbabes.com/

elitegirls · 11-09-2007, 07:55 PM

bmw sux.. get her want she wants.. AUDI!

saver to drive then the BMW, great car.

not a 'Bayerischer Mist Wagen'

madfuck · 11-10-2007, 12:34 AM

I think she would like then BMW instead did you tell her that...?

woj · 11-10-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ServerGenius

And to proof I'm not joking......here's the Top Gear Audi RS4 Test

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KVwWybsFAQ4

Stick that in your sports exhaust

that looks impressive

danevans · 11-10-2007, 03:40 AM

I had the old A4 (4cyl though, not s/rs4) for about two years and no problems with it at all, cannot imagine that the new model is any less reliable..

Minte · 11-10-2007, 07:52 AM

Never a lack of opinions on GFY,

We are going in to the dealer this morning so she can test drive them both.
Good news is she only is interested in 6sp.

viencarl · 11-10-2007, 07:55 AM

For my opinion ill go for the cheapest one cuz cars are not for showoff but for traveling *being practical only* "PEACE"

Jason · 11-10-2007, 08:52 AM

I like my A4.

I leased my daughter a 3 series and she trashed it. So when the lease was up, I got her got a Ford Fusion that she now pays for.

ztik · 11-10-2007, 09:02 AM

a4's are for poor people

a8 is where its at

either way, make her get a job, and buy her some pos car. She should earn it herself, unless you want her to be some superficial gold digger (like my g/f lol)

buzzy · 11-10-2007, 09:12 AM

only thing that makes a car safe is the driver.

Get her a renault clio.

Ross · 11-10-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Never a lack of opinions on GFY,

We are going in to the dealer this morning so she can test drive them both.
Good news is she only is interested in 6sp.

Yah wise choice. Thats what I said.. There's no better way to tell what you want than driving them both. Good luck.

testpie · 11-10-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Any owners here that can offer some opinions?

I was planning on getting her a BMW 3 series,but she really wants the Audi.

This is what your daughter really wants:

It slips through bollards, can be parked anywhere you can drag it and goes faster the more you lose weight.

Minte · 11-10-2007, 02:29 PM

You obviously didn't read any of the thread.
She is a law student,she is interning 3 days a week in the district attorneys office helping to put criminals in jail. When she finishes school and passes the bar that is what she will be doing for her career.

BTW, I looked at the A8 when she test drove the A4, it's a battleship.
I have college age kids and I'm not old enough to drive that.
I'll stick with my Lamborghini,Porsche's and Benz for a few more years.

Ryan St. Germain · 11-10-2007, 02:58 PM

There are lot's of people with statements about how they "don't want to tell you how to raise your daughter, BUT..."

My dad sold me my first car, and it was a piece of shit. I had to dump paycheck after paycheck into keeping it running, and i lost one job from it breaking down.

That being said, I was having the same debate between bwm and audi, but after a terrible time at the ONLY bmw dealership around, i've made up my mind to go with audi. Look into the service centers in your area particularly and see what their reps are like. All cars need service at some point, but if you start hearing stories about how a dealership took 6 days to replace a battery, you know you've got trouble.

Minte · 11-10-2007, 03:11 PM

We're lucky here in Madison, one dealership sells all of them. Porsche,Audi,BMW and Mercedes. And I am a good longterm customer there.
We ended up buying an A4 quatro today. She really liked it,and I couldn't find any reason not to go with it.

I knew the minute I posted this thread that there would be a percentage of GFY'ers that would know more about what is right for my family than I do.
I would've been surprised if it had been any other way.

Fluid · 11-10-2007, 03:13 PM

there's a couple of them actually around here, but they're dealership promo cars I believe. You watch, they'll release it in june and make us wait

I might have to stop by the dealership on the way home from work this week and see what it would cost to get out of the 3, and into the twin turbo 1 ;)

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	You obviously didn't read any of the thread. She is a law student,she is interning 3 days a week in the district attorneys office helping to put criminals in jail. When she finishes school and passes the bar that is what she will be doing for her career. BTW, I looked at the A8 when she test drove the A4, it's a battleship. I have college age kids and I'm not old enough to drive that. I'll stick with my Lamborghini,Porsche's and Benz for a few more years. __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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Ryan St. Germain Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,269	There are lot's of people with statements about how they "don't want to tell you how to raise your daughter, BUT..." My dad sold me my first car, and it was a piece of shit. I had to dump paycheck after paycheck into keeping it running, and i lost one job from it breaking down. That being said, I was having the same debate between bwm and audi, but after a terrible time at the ONLY bmw dealership around, i've made up my mind to go with audi. Look into the service centers in your area particularly and see what their reps are like. All cars need service at some point, but if you start hearing stories about how a dealership took 6 days to replace a battery, you know you've got trouble.

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	We're lucky here in Madison, one dealership sells all of them. Porsche,Audi,BMW and Mercedes. And I am a good longterm customer there. We ended up buying an A4 quatro today. She really liked it,and I couldn't find any reason not to go with it. I knew the minute I posted this thread that there would be a percentage of GFY'ers that would know more about what is right for my family than I do. I would've been surprised if it had been any other way. __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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Fluid Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 380	there's a couple of them actually around here, but they're dealership promo cars I believe. You watch, they'll release it in june and make us wait I might have to stop by the dealership on the way home from work this week and see what it would cost to get out of the 3, and into the twin turbo 1 ;)