Repent sinners..Jesus forgives everybody.Jesus is lord :thumbsup

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

Most religions, Christianity in particular, are mired in blood, revenge, sacrifice, vengeance, and all kinds of cruel shit. Christians crave blood and death. The "god" of the bible is one cruel mother fucker. He demands human sacrifice, commands people to kill innocent men, women, and children. Even condones rape and slavery. Wipes out whole cities, and even killed everyone on Earth (besides Noah and fam). This lovey dovey god preached in churches now is a extremely warped version of what the bible says.

Jesus himself said he did not come to bring peace but a sword. He also stated that you have to hate you mother and father in order to follow him. Most Christians CRAVE for the day when all the heathens are swept into eternal hellfire. How fucking sick is that shit? Any opportunity they see in the end of the world coming, they celebrate.

Are you really that ignorant?

People blame religion for the ills in the world, I blame human nature, because that's truly the root of all evil.

If there wasn't a religion do you think the sheep would suddenly become independent free thinkers? Hell no, they'd find some other organization to cling to and some new idol to worship, because a sheep is a sheep...they need someone to lead them.

If you look at history you can see numerous examples of when there's no religion something will fill the void, whether it's a political party, nationalism, or some other -ism that allows people to blindly hate others.

Man made religion in his own violent image...there's nothing divine about the words printed between the pages of these holy books...even when the message in these books are somewhat innocent and peaceful, you'll have someone twist the meaning for their own benefit.

Funny..

Everything in nature works as it should. It's for lack of better word, perfect.

However, everything man (or mankind) touches... it ruins.

Humans are a plague on this planet. Organized religion is a cleverly vailed sword wielding power over the masses.

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Jephthah burns his daughter as sacrifice to god : Judges 11:29-40
fun baby killing: Ezekiel 9:5-7, Isaiah 13:15-18
More loving god stuff: Judges 21:10-24, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 20:10-14, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Zechariah 14:1-2 (I guess the "women ravished" means they will be hungry, right?)

Genesis 6:7 god repents and decides to kill everything.

Mathew 10:34 Jesus says "Think not that I come to send peace on Earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Luke 14:26 Jesus says "If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and bretheren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

This is true. The nature of man is what causes most atrocities. People seek religions that fit their needs and it appears that most have needs of blood sacrifice. Even if all religions were peaceful, there would be blood loving people anyhow. As it stands, they just have a place to go on Sundays (or Saturdays depending) and get their bloodlust fix. People will always hate each other I fear. Religions only give them a reason to justify it.

So you are. Thanks for clearing that up.

Your argument is very compelling. It proves that we come from neanderthals and they are still amongst us and learned how to type. Albeit in very sparse sentences.

Are you and Donny seeing each other?

If you accept the OT as fact you are as clueless as any right wing Christian you are attempting to slam.

If you are accepting that I think the Old Testament is fact then you are delusional.

You said it, not me.

Yeah, you got me. I see clearly where I stated that I believe that the Old Testament is factual. Damn, you are good. A couple more drinks and you can probably prove with that statement that I believe in aliens and that humans are really robots created by monkeys.

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everyone start praying to jeebus

Jesus himself, and all of the writers of the new testament accepted the old testament as fact.

So what does that say about them and the bible in general?

You don't know what Jesus or anyone else accepted as fact. That is a fact.

In fact, the first Bible wasn't printed until 1500 years after he died.

I hope so. It's time for the Earth to move on to another dominating life form. This one isn't quite "working out" ... :D But if you think about it most of the Earth is water anyway ... maybe its in our head.

Ok so when Jesus quoted the old testament (as he did many many times throughout the gospels) he quoted it because he didn't believe it was true?

When Jesus said that he hadn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, he wasn't referring to old testament law?
Hmmmm maybe he thought he came to fulfill Hammurabi's code and not the law of Moses?

And when Paul said that all scripture is "inspired by God" (literal translation is "god breathed")....and the scripture that he was referring to was the old testament, Jewish scriptures, because the new testament didn't exist yet, he was writing it at the time (and most likely himself didn't believe what he was writing to be scripture)
When he made that statement about the old testament he was lying?

You say I can't know for a fact what they accepted as fact...but if i can't accept what they themselves said about the old testament, how can i believe anything else they say?

We're not talking about "the bible".....the discussion you and I are having is the old testament and whether or not Jesus and the writers of the new testament believed it.

According to tradition, the contents the Tanakh were codified by the Men of the Great Assembly ("Anshei K'nesset HaGedolah"), a task completed in 450 BCE, and have remained unchanged since that date

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

Wouldn't it be ironic if the old testament weren't true and the new testament were? Considering that Jesus supposedly fulfilled all of those prophesies about the Messiah.
If the old testament prophecies weren't true, then he must not have been a Messiah, because the idea of a Messiah was a farce.
As a matter of fact, the gospel writers went to great pains to let us know that every time Jesus did a certain thing, he was fulfilling an old testament prophecy, and then the new testament writers quoted the old testament prophecy that he supposedly fulfilled.


You can't have it both ways. The new testament cannot be true if the old testament is not true.
Period.

This world has always been fucked up, however it's never received the same degree of selective broadcasting we witness today.

Okay, Lenny, let's stop and think about it for a bit.

Are you familiar with what a parable is? They are stories with a message, like Aesop's Fables. They are not "facts." Jesus and the other OT writers told them.

Take Jonah and the whale. No one really believes that some guy lived in the belly of a fish for three days and survived. But guess what? Jesus was in a tomb for three days. Coincidence? I think not.

Let's go back to the Garden of Eden and Creation. Darwin was not born until the 1800's, and came up with the theory of evolution until the mid-1800's. So how the fuck was some guy that was trying to describe how the earth was created 2,000 years (or more) beforehand supposed to describe it?

If one were to suggest that the earth orbited around the sun, instead of the other way around he would be dragged outside to the nearest rock quarry and stoned to death.

Think of the OT as Aesop's Fables for the religious. It might make it easier on you.

maybe god knew we were going to fuck ourselves over. not for of a stretch I guess... things could be better easy
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And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Think it is time to go appreciate some of that herb.

You can't simply explain away the entire old testament by calling it a "fable" or "parable"

My friend, you would be amazed at how many people actually believe that is exactly what happened, along with Moses parting the red sea, and dozens of other stories.

So is the story of Jesus walking on water or turning water into wine or feeding 5000 people with a couple fish and a loaf of bread....or rising from the dead and dying for our sins....is that part real or is it just like Aesop's fables?

I think that people of faith have always been persecuted for their beliefs, and I really don't think saying something as ridiculous sounding as the earth orbits around the sun would deter them if they really thought the message was from god.
The earth revolving around the sun isn't any more ridiculous than alot of the other stuff that's in the bible. So if they were really hearing from God, why did they get it wrong?
I mean Moses claimed to have talked to a burning bush, and he supposedly parted the red sea...so it's ok to make claims like that but to say that the earth revolves around the sun is going too far? C'mon.

I think of the old testament as a crock of shit, the same way I think of the new testament.

I don't get it, why is it ok to believe that jesus was born to a virgin mother, never committed a sin or made a mistake, walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is now seated at god's right hand....all of that is true and to be taken literally....but the stuff in the old testament that we find offensive or that seems to contradict itself isn't really true, that part is just a "fable"

Kind of convenient don't ya think?

Thats part of the problem here. We all think we OWN this because "GOD" gave it to us. If you're a landlord and you let your building go to shit. It's time for a new landlord. If we wipe ourselves off the face of the earth. The earth will be just fine and things will continue as usual. ... next .....

I don't have a problem with appreciating the herb though :pimp.

well that will certainly make it easier to believe the load of shit that is known as the bible

its the circle of life symba. some things dont work out and they go away ...

it doesn't have to be that way but it's looking like it

Anyone can take anything and find somewhere that it applies..

If you study the fall of the Roman empire, then read the book of revelation, you'll see how the two coincide...

The fall is what the book is about.. not about the end of the world...

And as for the 666... mark of the beast...
The Hebrew language used letters to represent numbers. Taking Nero's Greek name (Neron Kaiser), writing it in equivalent Hebrew letters and adding up the value of the letters yields 666.

Though people still like to argue the point...

I always knew it.

LOL......soo...what about revelations? is it gonna happen or what?..ROFLMAFAO

Remember around 80% of people who claim they are Christians actually aren't, the only real Christians are the people that practise the religion (go to church).

But then onto the bible I'd say around 70% haven't actually read the bible. Because, you know, if they did they would see that it clearly says that Jesus is not God. It's kinda funny how people can be led to believe something and put their whole life into something that is not even true.

the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeend is coming!!!!!!!!!

I dunno that seems a little heavy.. have anything lighter, like famous jewish sports legends?

Benayoun? :1orglaugh

Practicing medicine is considered a sport now?

bump for earhquakes,tsunamis,middle east turmoil,dead fish,failing economies,world hunger....

Being SallyRand "outed" as a man it's one of the signs of the apocalypse ...

Megiddon was a town on a trade route in the bronze age middle east... a frequent are a for battles as the town sat atop a hill where the routes crossed....

'from Heb. Har Megiddon "Mount of Megiddo," city in central Palestine, site of important Israeli battles.'

dude that is a straight up fact :2 cents:

I would just like to point out that two of the people in this thread saying it isn't true, are dead.

After being in seminary over 25 years ago I would say no. Wars happen - earthquakes happen etc. - if you wanted to bring God into it - its probably God is tired of hearing all the Charlie Sheen crap on the news and needed a distraction.

good answer

As God sits and ponders how Sheen can WIN so much, he has a eureka moment and says, "Fuck this tiger blood drinking buster, lets see how well he survives an overdose." He then orders Jesus to deliver all the coke in Colombia to Sheen's doorstep.

We're all gonna burn eventually. No one is exempt.