metallica - lost talent??? - GoFuckYourself.com

galleryseek · 09-20-2002, 10:51 AM

what the fuck has happened. i've played guitar for 8 years and i've grown up learning a lot of their earlier stuff, they are my favorite band and prolly will always be my favorite band. but what the fuck, these past years they've turned into complete assholes and their music really fucking sucks. its like their musical ability has regressed and they're starting from step 1, except producing fucking new-metal shit. if you people haven't heard "We Did It Again" with JA RULE, you should, because you'll get a really good laugh at how horrible it sounds. not only does their new music suck, but musically its really simple music - anyone could play it - where as their earlier albums sounded awesome and were rather complex? what has happened? what is the reasoning for this? money? head over to www.metallica.com and check out the video on their main page, it gives a tiny clip of some of their new music and it as well, sounds stupid as shit. i think its ok to assume that they aren't making this new music because they LIKE it... perhaps they're just going with whatever sells the best at the current times.. and sadly enough this new-metal shit really doesn't have any depth at all and most of the bands have no talent. oh well, musical taste is obviously relative. just my opinion. damn, i'd love if they were to make a CD like their earlier ones... like master of puppets / black album. ideas as to why these bastards have changed so much??

Fletch XXX · 09-20-2002, 10:53 AM

Metallica died on Justice For All - the Last Killer metallica album.

Fletch XXX · 09-20-2002, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by galleryseek
and check out the video on their main page, it gives a tiny clip of some of their new music and it as well, sounds stupid as shit. ....... black album.

Dude to most Metallica fans from the 80's the Black Album was SHIT too.

Its been shit SINCE that album, you got it mixed up.

;)

Exxxotica · 09-20-2002, 10:56 AM

I think they changed so they could get play on MTV. When they came out with that "Enter Sandman" shit... they sold their souls. (to pop culture)

galleryseek · 09-20-2002, 10:57 AM

Fletch, but you have to agree that the black album had some very good songs on it, perhaps it wasn't exactly satisfying to the tastes of their "original" fans, but none the less, the songs were really put together well and had a lot of dynamics within. either way, basically all earlier metallica fans are losing out with their new shit.

Fletch XXX · 09-20-2002, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by galleryseek
Fletch, but you have to agree that the black album had some very good songs on it, perhaps it wasn't exactly satisfying to the tastes of their "original" fans, but none the less, the songs were really put together well and had a lot of dynamics within. either way, basically all earlier metallica fans are losing out with their new shit.

No.

Hetfield going to singing lessons and trying to learn how to correctly structure a song is not talent.

And no matter what that album was their most "PRODUCED" album, meaning some engineer made that album not that band. Background dynamics and effects etc even most of the time some song structure arwe due to engineers man, not the band.

I work in studios with bands and I know what the bands produce, and then I know what we do behind the band to make them better.

vending_machine · 09-20-2002, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Dude to most Metallica fans from the 80's the Black Album was SHIT too.

Its been shit SINCE that album, you got it mixed up.

;)

The black album is total shit. My fav is Master of Puppets. I used to have a jacket with a huge iron on thing with the Master of Puppets album cover on it. Ahh, the days

SykkBoy · 09-20-2002, 11:14 AM

Yup, Master was the pinnacle for Metallica...while the Black alubm wasn't horrible, it was basically their jump the shark moment...I grew up with the crunching guitars, complex song structures, long, drawn out songs and uniqueness of the music and their "we don't give a fuck" attitude...I have to wonder how many times Cliff Burton has spun in his grave.......speaking of which, the anniversary of his death is soon appraoching...time to break out Master and Kill 'em All and endlessly loop "Orion" and "Anesthesia".......

Fletch XXX · 09-20-2002, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
Yup, Master was the pinnacle for Metallica...while the Black alubm wasn't horrible, it was basically their jump the shark moment...I grew up with the crunching guitars, complex song structures, long, drawn out songs and uniqueness of the music and their "we don't give a fuck" attitude...I have to wonder how many times Cliff Burton has spun in his grave.......speaking of which, the anniversary of his death is soon appraoching...time to break out Master and Kill 'em All and endlessly loop "Orion" and "Anesthesia".......

Exactly.

Can we draw a timeline of the bands fall of comrades which also starts to show how silly Lars/james/Kurt can be.

Without Mustaine what happened?

Without Burton what happened?

Without Newstead what happened?

hahahaha

galleryseek · 09-20-2002, 11:19 AM

ah, well see.. my fav. song is Nothing else matters... i guess thats prolly because when i started learning guitar, my teacher taught me a lot of songs from that album.

Fletch XXX · 09-20-2002, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by galleryseek
ah, well see.. my fav. song is Nothing else matters... i guess thats prolly because when i started learning guitar, my teacher taught me a lot of songs from that album.

Damage Inc

krysco · 09-20-2002, 11:20 AM

It's called "mainstream"
It's killed the music. Nothing will ever be like it used to be even a few years ago. Im a huge fan of post seattle grung...Nirvana, pearl Jam, soundgarden. You'll never here the likes of that again.
Except we have Chris Cornell coming out with one album with Rage Against The Machine later this month. But even that will sound a bit mainstream. Ah how i hate todays music.

galleryseek · 09-20-2002, 11:27 AM

actually krsco i really wanna make a band like alice in chains, their acoustic stuff is my favorite. down in a hole / nutshell / etc... i will make it some day!

heres a few of my mp3s..

www.dreamache.com/music/reborn.mp3
www.dreamache.com/music/escaping.mp3
www.dreamache.com/music for more
(excuse the AIM noises in the background)

lol they aren't pieces you'd ever hear on the radio, but i love this kinda stuff. i would make music that would fit with lyrics except theres no one around here that can sing

kanoodle_chris · 09-20-2002, 11:31 AM

I wouldn't excatly sat that everything after ....and justice for all is crap. We say that becuase we were raised on "motorbreath", "whiplash" and "trapped under ice" Ride the lightning, Master, and and justice for all by far their greatest albums. But just think how long they have playing that shit over and over again. So, what did they do, they changed it up, cut their hair, and all their "fans" freaked. They stlye change was no different than any other band such as the beatles, or zepplin, or even Ozzy when they strayed from what got them there, and got a little creative.

Some of the black album, such as "through the never" and "holier than thou" were very much in the old metallica sound. Then came unload and load and everyone ripped them a new ass for "selling out"...screw that. In fact during the load tour they played all of "garage days"(the old one) straight through... and our encore was Master of puppets.

We all miss the days of Sanitarium and my personal favorite "disposable heroes" but its still the same metallica minus newstead (for now) They have been around for 23 years....that is something any band that has been launched since 1990 would love to say about themselves.

So enough of the see-out crap......

krysco · 09-20-2002, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by galleryseek
actually krsco i really wanna make a band like alice in chains, their acoustic stuff is my favorite. down in a hole / nutshell / etc... i will make it some day! heres a few of my mp3s..

www.dreamache.com/music/reborn.mp3
www.dreamache.com/music/escaping.mp3
www.dreamache.com/music for more
(excuse the AIM noises in the background)

lol they aren't pieces you'd ever hear on the radio, but i love this kinda stuff. i would make music that would fit with lyrics except theres no one around here that can sing

Oh man Layne Staley is a legend...shitty he had to kill himself.
I have every alice in chains album and every album Layne did else where.

And shit man those are some nice accoustics. Some good potential there as well. Ill have to grab the rest and listen.
Oh shit im listening rigth now...that was cool !!!!

See Ya

galleryseek · 09-20-2002, 11:44 AM

thnx kyrsco!

Lev · 09-20-2002, 12:12 PM

the generation and music has changed since 80's, so they have to accomodate that change somehow, I dont like their recent stuff, but hey nothing lasts forever

Stealthy · 09-20-2002, 12:15 PM

I remember a loooooong time ago when Metallica was talking about how they'd never sell out, make music videos or put their images on any kind of merchandise other than T-Shirts.

Less than a year later I saw fucking Metallica lunchboxes, pillow cases and goddamn Metallica BINDERS for chrissakes!!!

I think it was pretty much downhill from there.

Thank You.

SykkBoy · 09-20-2002, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stealthy
I remember a loooooong time ago when Metallica was talking about how they'd never sell out, make music videos or put their images on any kind of merchandise other than T-Shirts.

Less than a year later I saw fucking Metallica lunchboxes, pillow cases and goddamn Metallica BINDERS for chrissakes!!!

I think it was pretty much downhill from there.

Thank You.

yup

maybe I'm just a nostalgic old fool, but I loved the old days of tape trading and hearing new shit that wasn't getting played on MTV or the radio every ten minutes (or many tmes not at all). What I find funny is these new "hip" stations with thir "Metallica Memories" or whatever and they play shit that they wouldn't have dared play when it actually came out (Xtreme Radio here actually plays "Fade To Black" regularly and that song couldn't get any radio play at all when it first came out...except very obsure radio stations in the bigger markets...I grew up in Wyoming with nothing but country and western and whatever was playing on MTV....so, in tape trading, I found new bands and sounds that I wouldn't have otherwise been exposed to....and I also turned my friends on to new shit...stuff like Slayer, Venom, Celtic Frost, King Diamond/Mercyful fate, etc. Ah, the days of mix tapes with shitty sound and bad fade parts...there was something special about those, same as my dad with his vinyl collection...

the thing that bugs me about the later Metallica stuff is that it seems too polished and loses that raw edge...my favorite video to pop into the vcr is the Cliff 'em All home vid...shit production (on purpose) but it had charm and it was pure...

imagine if someone mixed 75% oregano or basil in with your pot...that's what happened to Metallica for me...it might give it a better flavor and/or smell, but it's just not the same buzz......

hard for me to pick my favorite song as it changes with my moods, but always love a listen to "Orion" (greatest instrumental of all time), "Damage, Inc.", "Motorbreath", "Fade To Black" (my favorite ballad) and "Whiplash"...but also enjoy their punk covers on Garage Days...

AcidMax · 09-20-2002, 01:17 PM

Not sure if any of you have heard the phrase "Jumped the shark". It refers to when something starts turning to shit , it was coined after when "The Fonz" jumped the shark on happy days. From that point forward Happy Days went to shit.

Anyhow, my point is that Metallica "Jumped the Shark" when they were on the MTV music awards around the Justice for All time. I think they played "One" on the show and ever since then their albums have been soft and more mainstream. I think part of it is they are just getting older and mellowing out, they do not have that pissed off at the world attitude anymore, I think it's kind of hard to maintain that attitude when you are a millionaire playing tennis all day, but there are other bands out there just as good as old metallica. Personally my favorites are Hatebreed & System of a down.

Another good example of this is that Dave Mustain the original guitarist for Metallica is more into politics then making music.

AJ

Amputate Your Head · 09-20-2002, 01:28 PM

fuck.... you guys put WAAAAY too much thought and effort into this shit... christ, it's fuckin' music. If you don't groove on their new shit, don't fucking listen. Everything else is just bs for wasting time.

"They sold out..."
"It's mainstreamy with lunchboxes..."
"Everything after (fill in the recording) is just pure shit...."

good freakin' christ.... who cares. Nothing fuckin' stays the same forever. People fuckin' change.... attitudes change..... music changes.... I feel sorry for you if you're still walkin' around sportin' a big iron-on anarchy symbol on your jean jacket with the sleeves cut off listening to Harvester of Sorrow over and over and over because "that was real music man......"

lol.... a whole new generation of fuckin' one track mind hippies.

cosis · 09-20-2002, 02:33 PM

i never knew they had talent

dinkz · 09-20-2002, 02:53 PM

Metallica has only made one really good album (And Justice For All... 1988) since Cliff Burton tragically died in Sweden 1986

About Cliff & The Accident

R.I.P

Herb Kornfield · 09-20-2002, 03:56 PM

They are still talented, just heading in a new direction, probably not the best one for old school fans, but, I can appericate it for the period that they are in.

Live shows still thunder like no other

Stealthy · 09-20-2002, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
fuck.... you guys put WAAAAY too much thought and effort into this shit... christ, it's fuckin' music. If you don't groove on their new shit, don't fucking listen. Everything else is just bs for wasting time.

"They sold out..."
"It's mainstreamy with lunchboxes..."
"Everything after (fill in the recording) is just pure shit...."

good freakin' christ.... who cares. Nothing fuckin' stays the same forever. People fuckin' change.... attitudes change..... music changes.... I feel sorry for you if you're still walkin' around sportin' a big iron-on anarchy symbol on your jean jacket with the sleeves cut off listening to Harvester of Sorrow over and over and over because "that was real music man......"

lol.... a whole new generation of fuckin' one track mind hippies.

Whoa, easy there big guy, all I was saying is that the band reneged on their promise not to go all commercial. I'm not one of the hippies of which you speak, although I know a lot of 'em...

Fletch XXX · 09-20-2002, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
They are still talented, just heading in a new direction, probably not the best one for old school fans, but, I can appericate it for the period that they are in.

Live shows still thunder like no other

Guess you havent seen AC/DC live, or Motorhead.

That is Thunder.

Hetfield singing Bob Seger covers over Coors draft isnt thunder. Kidding, I have seen Metallica live quite a few times. 8 I think.

hehehe

Although I did see metallica 3 days back to back in New orleans on a tour with Faith No more and Guns N Roses shit back in ... fuck I cant even remember, whenever those fucks would have toured together, early 90's

galleryseek · 09-20-2002, 04:14 PM

Amp.... this is just a GFY messageboard from which i posted a measily lil thread on what other FANS thought about their current music. its not like this is some life changing event from which i dwell on constantly. its just chat from fans, its curiosity, opinions - topics like these are bound to happen, and theres nothing wrong with it. the idea spontaneously came to me through random thought and i thought i'd post about it, and thats it!

[Labret] · 09-20-2002, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Metallica died on Justice For All - the Last Killer metallica album.

Amen.

09-20-2002, 05:58 PM

"We Did It Again" with JA RULE

Man, I hope that statement was a joke. They really did a song with Ja Rule? Arghh.

fnet · 09-20-2002, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Although I did see metallica 3 days back to back in New orleans on a tour with Faith No more and Guns N Roses shit back in ... fuck I cant even remember, whenever those fucks would have toured together, early 90's

Faith No More is also an interesting hypocrisy, although in a completely different sense. When Patton quit the Faith No More thing and was getting serious about Mr. Bungle (back when they were all playing in masks), he'd get into fights with the faith no more fans for showing up and requesting FNM songs. At one show he was so pissed off about this that he amplified feedback at the audience (at an ear damaging level) for two hours.

a few years later and he was touring with faith no more again. wtf. fucking psychopath.

09-20-2002, 10:51 AM	#1
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	metallica - lost talent??? what the fuck has happened. i've played guitar for 8 years and i've grown up learning a lot of their earlier stuff, they are my favorite band and prolly will always be my favorite band. but what the fuck, these past years they've turned into complete assholes and their music really fucking sucks. its like their musical ability has regressed and they're starting from step 1, except producing fucking new-metal shit. if you people haven't heard "We Did It Again" with JA RULE, you should, because you'll get a really good laugh at how horrible it sounds. not only does their new music suck, but musically its really simple music - anyone could play it - where as their earlier albums sounded awesome and were rather complex? what has happened? what is the reasoning for this? money? head over to www.metallica.com and check out the video on their main page, it gives a tiny clip of some of their new music and it as well, sounds stupid as shit. i think its ok to assume that they aren't making this new music because they LIKE it... perhaps they're just going with whatever sells the best at the current times.. and sadly enough this new-metal shit really doesn't have any depth at all and most of the bands have no talent. oh well, musical taste is obviously relative. just my opinion. damn, i'd love if they were to make a CD like their earlier ones... like master of puppets / black album. ideas as to why these bastards have changed so much??

09-20-2002, 10:53 AM	#2
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Metallica died on Justice For All - the Last Killer metallica album. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-20-2002, 10:56 AM	#4
Exxxotica Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oregun Posts: 4,396	I think they changed so they could get play on MTV. When they came out with that "Enter Sandman" shit... they sold their souls. (to pop culture) __________________ Needs some really great hosting? Black Seven note: I do not work for Blackseven... Im just grateful for their kick ass hosting...so quit bothering them when I hurt your feelings... pussy

09-20-2002, 11:14 AM	#8
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	Yup, Master was the pinnacle for Metallica...while the Black alubm wasn't horrible, it was basically their jump the shark moment...I grew up with the crunching guitars, complex song structures, long, drawn out songs and uniqueness of the music and their "we don't give a fuck" attitude...I have to wonder how many times Cliff Burton has spun in his grave.......speaking of which, the anniversary of his death is soon appraoching...time to break out Master and Kill 'em All and endlessly loop "Orion" and "Anesthesia"....... __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

09-20-2002, 11:20 AM	#12
krysco Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: uranus Posts: 219	It's called "mainstream" It's killed the music. Nothing will ever be like it used to be even a few years ago. Im a huge fan of post seattle grung...Nirvana, pearl Jam, soundgarden. You'll never here the likes of that again. Except we have Chris Cornell coming out with one album with Rage Against The Machine later this month. But even that will sound a bit mainstream. Ah how i hate todays music. __________________ <a href="http://www.HotBuXXX.com" target="_blank"> <b>Make Money !$!$!</B></a> <a href="http://www.HotCamera.com" target="_blank">54 Feeds for how much ???</a>

09-20-2002, 10:57 AM	#5
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	Fletch, but you have to agree that the black album had some very good songs on it, perhaps it wasn't exactly satisfying to the tastes of their "original" fans, but none the less, the songs were really put together well and had a lot of dynamics within. either way, basically all earlier metallica fans are losing out with their new shit.

09-20-2002, 11:19 AM	#10
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	ah, well see.. my fav. song is Nothing else matters... i guess thats prolly because when i started learning guitar, my teacher taught me a lot of songs from that album.

09-20-2002, 11:27 AM	#13
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	actually krsco i really wanna make a band like alice in chains, their acoustic stuff is my favorite. down in a hole / nutshell / etc... i will make it some day! heres a few of my mp3s.. www.dreamache.com/music/reborn.mp3 www.dreamache.com/music/escaping.mp3 www.dreamache.com/music for more (excuse the AIM noises in the background) lol they aren't pieces you'd ever hear on the radio, but i love this kinda stuff. i would make music that would fit with lyrics except theres no one around here that can sing

09-20-2002, 11:31 AM	#14
kanoodle_chris Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1	I wouldn't excatly sat that everything after ....and justice for all is crap. We say that becuase we were raised on "motorbreath", "whiplash" and "trapped under ice" Ride the lightning, Master, and and justice for all by far their greatest albums. But just think how long they have playing that shit over and over again. So, what did they do, they changed it up, cut their hair, and all their "fans" freaked. They stlye change was no different than any other band such as the beatles, or zepplin, or even Ozzy when they strayed from what got them there, and got a little creative. Some of the black album, such as "through the never" and "holier than thou" were very much in the old metallica sound. Then came unload and load and everyone ripped them a new ass for "selling out"...screw that. In fact during the load tour they played all of "garage days"(the old one) straight through... and our encore was Master of puppets. We all miss the days of Sanitarium and my personal favorite "disposable heroes" but its still the same metallica minus newstead (for now) They have been around for 23 years....that is something any band that has been launched since 1990 would love to say about themselves. So enough of the see-out crap......

09-20-2002, 11:44 AM	#16
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	thnx kyrsco!

09-20-2002, 12:12 PM	#17
Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	the generation and music has changed since 80's, so they have to accomodate that change somehow, I dont like their recent stuff, but hey nothing lasts forever

09-20-2002, 12:15 PM	#18
Stealthy Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: You know that voice inside your head? That's me... Posts: 626	I remember a loooooong time ago when Metallica was talking about how they'd never sell out, make music videos or put their images on any kind of merchandise other than T-Shirts. Less than a year later I saw fucking Metallica lunchboxes, pillow cases and goddamn Metallica BINDERS for chrissakes!!! I think it was pretty much downhill from there. Thank You. __________________ <embed src=http://www.moonshadow-productions.com/images/moon.swf width="120" height=60>

09-20-2002, 01:17 PM	#20
AcidMax Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: MI Posts: 1,827	Not sure if any of you have heard the phrase "Jumped the shark". It refers to when something starts turning to shit , it was coined after when "The Fonz" jumped the shark on happy days. From that point forward Happy Days went to shit. Anyhow, my point is that Metallica "Jumped the Shark" when they were on the MTV music awards around the Justice for All time. I think they played "One" on the show and ever since then their albums have been soft and more mainstream. I think part of it is they are just getting older and mellowing out, they do not have that pissed off at the world attitude anymore, I think it's kind of hard to maintain that attitude when you are a millionaire playing tennis all day, but there are other bands out there just as good as old metallica. Personally my favorites are Hatebreed & System of a down. Another good example of this is that Dave Mustain the original guitarist for Metallica is more into politics then making music. AJ __________________ Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com

09-20-2002, 01:28 PM	#21
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	fuck.... you guys put WAAAAY too much thought and effort into this shit... christ, it's fuckin' music. If you don't groove on their new shit, don't fucking listen. Everything else is just bs for wasting time. "They sold out..." "It's mainstreamy with lunchboxes..." "Everything after (fill in the recording) is just pure shit...." good freakin' christ.... who cares. Nothing fuckin' stays the same forever. People fuckin' change.... attitudes change..... music changes.... I feel sorry for you if you're still walkin' around sportin' a big iron-on anarchy symbol on your jean jacket with the sleeves cut off listening to Harvester of Sorrow over and over and over because "that was real music man......" lol.... a whole new generation of fuckin' one track mind hippies. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

09-20-2002, 02:33 PM	#22
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,281	i never knew they had talent

09-20-2002, 02:53 PM	#23
dinkz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: here Posts: 534	Metallica has only made one really good album (And Justice For All... 1988) since Cliff Burton tragically died in Sweden 1986 About Cliff & The Accident R.I.P __________________ ICQ: 267715714 Last edited by dinkz; 09-20-2002 at 02:54 PM..

09-20-2002, 03:56 PM	#24
Herb Kornfield Is on the 1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 4,996	They are still talented, just heading in a new direction, probably not the best one for old school fans, but, I can appericate it for the period that they are in. Live shows still thunder like no other

09-20-2002, 04:14 PM	#27
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	Amp.... this is just a GFY messageboard from which i posted a measily lil thread on what other FANS thought about their current music. its not like this is some life changing event from which i dwell on constantly. its just chat from fans, its curiosity, opinions - topics like these are bound to happen, and theres nothing wrong with it. the idea spontaneously came to me through random thought and i thought i'd post about it, and thats it!

09-20-2002, 05:58 PM	#29
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	"We Did It Again" with JA RULE Man, I hope that statement was a joke. They really did a song with Ja Rule? Arghh.