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BoyAlley 11-06-2007 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13339649)
Everyone snaps out of sympathy mode right quick and realises soemthing important about marriage. Marriage is an investment made by not only the church which sucks but the government most importantly and the fact is our government provides assisted programs to couples that have invested in the countries future with children.
You're fundamentally mistaken in your assertions about these laws. The vast majority have absolutely nothing to do with children.

The purpose of these laws, are for government to allow people to care for one another, without having to rely on the government to provide for them, not the reverse as you suggest.

If two people are willing to be responsible for each other, and take care of each other, it's in the government's fiscal interest to support that arrangement.

As for your other claim, it's asinine. There are a multitude of ways to "invest" in the future of a country other than reproducing. And as I said before, there is no stipulation in any federal law that marriage benefits should only be granted to those having children, which is another strike against your logic (or lack there of).

Noe 11-06-2007 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13339582)
If you can squirt a child out of your ass I would say hey maybe gays do need these government assisted programs but thus far, it has not happened yet.
What about lesbians? Gay women can have children, and are not excluded from being banned from marrying their female partners. Also, gay couples can and do adopt.

Holly Lez! 11-06-2007 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Noe (Post 13340497)
What about lesbians? Gay women can have children, and are not excluded from being banned from marrying their female partners. Also, gay couples can and do adopt.
So true! I haven't found a girl I want to marry oh except Nicole from the pussy cat dolls:winkwink:

BoyAlley 11-06-2007 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Epoch Holly (Post 13340514)
So true! I haven't found a girl I want to marry oh except Nicole from the pussy cat dolls:winkwink:
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Mr. Blue 11-06-2007 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 13336231)
PS: I don't break out of "Teh BoyAlley" mode on here very often, so don't expect it to happen again anytime soon. :1orglaugh
You should think about dropping out of that persona a little more often. Maybe you're playing up to the audience at hand, it's a good marketing ploy, but at the same time it probably reinforces a stereotype a little too much...allowing people that don't have contact with gays very often to believe in the stereotype over the reality.

The reality is the normalcy of the letter you wrote. I wouldn't mind having that person as a neighbor, friend, and I certainly wouldn't care if they got married or had some form of civil union, whatever.

The BoyAlley persona, yeah, I'd probably not want to live next to that guy, hell you probably wouldn't want to live next to that guy, lol. Again, I realize it's just a persona, but I'm sure that many gfy'ers believe that stereotype is the reality.

BoyAlley 11-06-2007 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue (Post 13340669)
The BoyAlley persona, yeah, I'd probably not want to live next to that guy, hell you probably wouldn't want to live next to that guy, lol. Again, I realize it's just a persona, but I'm sure that many gfy'ers believe that stereotype is the reality.
Teh BoyAlley exaggerates the stereotypes to the extreams. I believe the vast majority of people on here know that. That's his purpose, and that's why he gets so much attention on here.

The reality of gay people is very boring, as a whole we're indistinguishable from our heterosexual counterparts.

My purpose for being on GFY is for the most part to market gay products, and a very exaggerated stereotypical homo is the way to most effectively do that.

I don't attempt to use this forum as a place to "change the minds of the masses". I use other mediums to attempt to do that. This thread being the rare exception.

marcjacob 11-06-2007 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13339544)
Why would you expect the government to provide you benefits when you provide no future investment to it?
So I assume that you believe straight couples who medically cant create a child should loose any government assistance? Obviously there is no chance of having children so no future investment by your own logic, right?

aico 11-06-2007 05:48 PM
Last I checked "Breeder" was a derogatory term used by homosexuals for heterosexuals. Maybe you should work on yourself before you attempt to change others.

BoyAlley 11-06-2007 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by aico (Post 13340829)
Last I checked "Breeder" was a derogatory term used by homosexuals for heterosexuals. Maybe you should work on yourself before you attempt to change others.
Do you have any idea how often the term "fag" and "faggot" was used on here in a very nasty derogatory way when I first started posting?

That is EXACTLY why I starting using the word "breeder" so much.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I find it very funny that some of the people on here that shoot there mouths off left and right suddenly find they start feeling very uncomfortable after being labeled themselves for a change. :2 cents:

It's all about turning things on its head.

Mr. Blue 11-06-2007 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 13340701)
I don't attempt to use this forum as a place to "change the minds of the masses". I use other mediums to attempt to do that. This thread being the rare exception.
I understand that, but the problem is when you present a caricature, a stereotype on a forum, you can't really expect people to take your outrage on topics seriously (i.e. the wwc thread) because you yourself are propagating a stereotype for your own benefit.

I realize GFY isn't exactly a place to have serious discussion or debate on social issues and they probably should be ignored on the whole because it's a fruitless endeavor.

Anyway though, it was a really nice letter, and if I ever start pushing gay sites I'll hit you up on ICQ...not because of the boyalley persona but because of threads like this that show you're not a brain dead gfy post whore, lol.

aico 11-06-2007 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 13340866)
Do you have any idea how often the term "fag" and "faggot" was used on here in a very nasty derogatory way when I first started posting?

That is EXACTLY why I starting using the word "breeder" so much.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I find it very funny that some of the people on here that shoot there mouths off left and right suddenly find they start feeling very uncomfortable after being labeled themselves for a change. :2 cents:

It's all about turning things on its head.
wow, that's probably the most ignorant thing I have ever read.

ProducerCashDave 11-06-2007 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aico (Post 13341005)
wow, that's probably the most ignorant thing I have ever read.
True that

Matt 26z 11-06-2007 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13339649)
Marriage is an investment made by not only the church which sucks but the government most importantly and the fact is our government provides assisted programs to couples that have invested in the countries future with children.

Real couples need these programs, gays do not.
The institution of marriage was founded upon the protection of property.

Throughout the past several hundred years marriage has been redefined many times, and those original property rights have been the only sticking point. It is a fact that marriage will continue to evolve.

Nubiles 11-06-2007 07:32 PM
I had a gay neighbor at one of my vacation homes. Never had a problem with it.

IntenseAmber 11-07-2007 12:18 PM
hmmmmmm....where have I seen this before:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Oh that's right...The Declaration of Independence, what our country was founded on....weird! Hang on...I'm checking online to see where in The Declaration of Independence it says that certain laws shall apply only to those that will financially benefit the government...OH WAIT!!!! I FOUND IT!!! But it's in German and written on a piece of paper signed by Hitler before Nazi Germany fell...oh, and it's also burnt a little since it was found in a concentration camp...MY BAD!

WarChild 11-07-2007 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by IntenseAmber (Post 13343828)
hmmmmmm....where have I seen this before:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Oh that's right...The Declaration of Independence, what our country was founded on....weird! Hang on...I'm checking online to see where in The Declaration of Independence it says that certain laws shall apply only to those that will financially benefit the government...OH WAIT!!!! I FOUND IT!!! But it's in German and written on a piece of paper signed by Hitler before Nazi Germany fell...oh, and it's also burnt a little since it was found in a concentration camp...MY BAD!
Exactly. That's exactly right.

As you pointed out it reads:
Quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal ...
It doesn't read:
Quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men, women, queens and hell even the sexually confused are created equal ...
So pipe the fuck down already. :winkwink:

ServerGenius 11-07-2007 12:39 PM
Great article.....but....move to the Netherlands.....problem solved :thumbsup

Holly Lez! 11-07-2007 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aico (Post 13341005)
wow, that's probably the most ignorant thing I have ever read.
Wow! That is the most ignorant thing you have read???? Did you miss this by "Hateman"

Quote -
"why do you fags keep shoving your gayness into everyones face?

swear to god, its shit like that that makes me want to line you all up and shoot your heads off."
______
Or the numerous other ignorant quotes about gays being said here almost everday? Just curious not seeking drama:thumbsup

madleinx 11-07-2007 12:44 PM
Boy Alley, thank you for sharing your letter. It is incredibly moving and 100% dead on. Please don't let ignorant people discourage you from making more threads like this.

G-Rotica 11-07-2007 12:51 PM
BA, that was one of the best written items I have ever read about gay rights. Well done.

AlienQ, you are truly an idiot. You mother must be proud. BTW, your entire marriage, child bearing argument is total shit. If there was any merit to it, they never would have outlawed polygamy.

IntenseAmber 11-07-2007 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13343888)
Exactly. That's exactly right.

As you pointed out it reads:


It doesn't read:


So pipe the fuck down already. :winkwink:
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WarChild 11-07-2007 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IntenseAmber (Post 13344024)
On the Internet, where there is no facial features or body language to help us identify the intended tone of a given conversation, we often use emoticons to help convey the lost meaning.

For instance, if someone was making a boldy silly statement they might include something like a winking emoticon ( :winkwink: ) at the end of such a statement.

Thank you and welcome to the Internets. We hope you enjoy your stay!

gimo33 11-07-2007 02:16 PM
nice read.

IntenseAmber 11-07-2007 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13344084)
On the Internet, where there is no facial features or body language to help us identify the intended tone of a given conversation, we often use emoticons to help convey the lost meaning.

For instance, if someone was making a boldy silly statement they might include something like a winking emoticon ( :winkwink: ) at the end of such a statement.

Thank you and welcome to the Internets. We hope you enjoy your stay!
I sincerely apologize (honestly, I'm not being sarcastic) that I took offense from your statement "So pipe the fuck down already" and your winking emoticon did not register in my mind.

aico 11-07-2007 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Epoch Holly (Post 13343930)
Wow! That is the most ignorant thing you have read???? Did you miss this by "Hateman"

Quote -
"why do you fags keep shoving your gayness into everyones face?

swear to god, its shit like that that makes me want to line you all up and shoot your heads off."
______
Or the numerous other ignorant quotes about gays being said here almost everday? Just curious not seeking drama:thumbsup
he's on my ignore, and I don't read most of what the other obvious idiots on here write, I only respond to people who are responding to me. So to answer your question. Yes I did miss them.

frostyimpressions 11-07-2007 03:10 PM
I support gay marriage. I think everyone should have the right to make such a horrible mistake of getting married.

TroubleTonya 11-07-2007 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by frostyimpressions (Post 13344669)
I support gay marriage. I think everyone should have the right to make such a horrible mistake of getting married.

I totally fucking agree... If straight people can be unhappy everyone should be able to. muahaha

BA- I believe in gay rights and think that marriage should be allowed for ANYONE who is willing to commit themselves to it. Your letter is very well written and I'm glad you got it published. You can be my neighbor anytime.

People who are against other people being able to be happy should :321GFY

:2 cents:

marcjacob 11-07-2007 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13343888)
Exactly. That's exactly right.

As you pointed out it reads:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal

It doesn't read:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men, women, queens and hell even the sexually confused are created equal ...
WTF are you really suggesting that the Declaration of Independence doesnt apply to Women?? Well gay men are men, so i assume you support equal rights for gay men, as they are men, just not women? Or are you just talking utter bullshit (more likely).

Dumbest post ive seen here in a very long time :error

minusonebit 11-13-2007 11:52 AM
Did they actually publish this? Its been my experience lately that the papers don't want to publish anything worth publishing, they'd rather keep on publishing open letters from political campaigns and other assorted bullshit...

tranza 11-13-2007 12:20 PM
You really think anyone is going to read all that on your first post??

Come on.............

minusonebit 11-13-2007 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13339482)
Here why BoyAlley....
"In fact, there are over 1,000 federal laws and benefits that exist to help married couples care for and protect one another. "

Why would any government want to discourage the growth of population? Frankly I think that Tax dollars going towards helping families that have had kids is better spent than sending money to "Families" that do not or umm can not have kids. I major contribution is made to the government by having children, and children are a true investment for the government.

Gays want all the benefits of a boy/girl relationship but lack the ability to actually have kids. In otherwards being gay is of no benefit to the whole of the population under a government and thus should not recieve government benefits and options many families that have kids get.

Perhaps some reform in marriage should be in order for the gay community but as far as recieving government assisted programs ought to be a no go.

You are not going to have children, therefore a gay couple needs none of the assistance the government applies to couples that have had children.

That goes right down to a tax free home when a partner dies for example. Many Married couples that have had children truly need those benefits far more than a gay couple that does not have the ability to produce children.

Thus I can see why you hate on "Breeders" so much. Fact is...

You are not a benefit to a growing society that is capable of having children why gays would expect the government to sanction this I got no idea.
Tell ya what, I think the government should pay people NOT to have kids. There are already far too many humans around these days anyway. Its causing a strain on our planet.

DWB 11-13-2007 01:33 PM
BoyAlley,
You are not alone. While your issue is being Gay in America, there are many others who have other issues and each is relevant to them. We are called EXPATRIATES and have proudly moved out of the land so many call the land of the free.

While I do keep a place in the USA to stay at when I visit family or take care of some US business, I do not consider myself an American. I am a human. And as a human I am entitled to make any life for myself that I see fit. If that means moving to another location that allows such a life, so be it. There are 100s of 1000s of us who have left and never looked back. In your case you only need to look as far as Canada and you can live married with your partner and fulfill your dreams together.

It's not a perfect world and the USA is far from a perfect country but you DO have options. To not take action to find a work around for your dream is only cheating you. Nobody else cares. Find a solution and move forward. Chances are you will never look back. I have yet to meet an expat with regrets about leaving the USA.

DWB 11-13-2007 01:39 PM
Having said that, I will also add that I don't have a problem with gays getting married HOWEVER there is still many years of fighting before that is going to happen across the board. After blacks, women and illegal immigrants, gays may get their chance to be equal, but it's still quite a ways away.

I say, stop complaining about gay rights and jump ship to a place that doesn't have a problem with it.


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