nah alex, you are a moron that thinks he knows everything about everything. you knew exactly what i was talking about. what else does zango do you stupid fuck? besides steal joins.

get a life and go away.

thats pretty much the response im getting from them and not being put in this alleged 'exclusion list'. oh, well, more fuel to fight the fire with. fuck em

They did offer to remove our URLs *IF* we purchased advertising with them equivalent to the money they'd lose by dropping our domains :1orglaugh

Blackmail / extortion anyone ?

I'd love to have some old friends in Montreal pay their office there a visit, but they only have sales reps out of there so wouldn't serve any purpose :disgust

Maybe some of the defendants on this page can lend a hand. Some interesting reading in some of those cases

GFY. Beside steal joins?

Hmm.

Let's see. They can pop up on any site at any time on any page. So, example, your 4k traffic could have been from popups on the front of cams with YOUR join page appearing. You didn't specify, so it is hard to tell what the fuck you are talking about.

Seriously dude, you attract more flies with honey than shit. You need to stop with the shit and grow up.

get fucked sig whore.

Pimpdog, contact my office about this and we can talk. [email protected]

thanks. i sent you an email

Loser. Been banned from any other boards lately?

come on fellas lets try and keep the thread sensible, we are all against the same enemy here. fuck zango

Keep us posted on this!

Pimpdogg, why did it take you a full year to finally decide to take action regarding Zango's negative impact on your business? Over a year ago when Will76 brought this issue to the forefront of the adult industry, all you did was belittle him with disparaging comments and pop off in all his threads. If you'd have actually listened to him over a year ago, who knows how much money you would have saved over the last year had you acted quickly.

what he said. Trey is trying to do something good for once. Cut him some slack or at least take the bashing to another thread.

Yeah but that would involving listening to me. It is easier for Trey, Sleazy, and the likes of them to just write me off because I don't agree with what they have to say, and i don't do business with them nor do i own a "program" so they just file my posts away under "troll" because that makes more sense to them.

What finally made Trey get involved with this? I have no idea, but you are right it has been happening to him for years.

You guys should talk to ccbill, even though they were put on the exclusion list I had the impression they were going to do more and not just be satisfied that they were put on the list.

Having an " exclusion list" will be Zango's downfall. Having a list and allowing some people to not be targeted but telling others to fuck off, implies what you are doing is wrong. If it wasn't you wouldn't need a list, or you would honor everyone's request. Can't have it both ways.

no actually. your point?

becuase i just found out they were fucking me. that is why.

i did not have a pc with zango on it, and noone cared to inform us that they were doing this to my company. how else would i know? my sys admin finally put it on his pc and witnessed it for the 1st time yesterday himself and we now have video proof and logs etc. plenty to fuck zango with.

and my lawyer did send zango a letter weeks ago and we are still getting hit by zango.

what i am trying to figure out, is how long they have targeted my company for. i need to asess damages and kind of ahrd to uless i know how long they have been hitting my program for. im gog to guess its been about 2 years?

well lets see.

1;500 ( avg conversion)
4k hits per day avg by zango
1;500 and 4k hits is 8 sales per day.

8 x 365 = 2,920
2920 x 2 years = 5,840
5840 sales x 119 ( avg member worth) = $694,960

now dont go asking me about a member being worth 119 each. im not gonna answer that. this is for this case and i can justify the worth so move on.


these bitches owe me over $700k

atleast that is what i am going to ask for :)

not to nit pick but you dont need to have zango on a windows machine to know, you could check your server logs and see " Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Zango 10.0.370.0)
" etc..

either way, better late than never.

Now you know why I was so pissed a year ago when I started posting about all of this. I know you losing more than me, but I am still losing a nice chunck of change. I hate to have any amount stolen from me regardless.

can someone tell me how to promote Zango?

so why arent you involved in a lawsuit? or are you

the funny thing aobut you, is that you dont have a funny bone in your body.

you are just a useless pile of shit. for real.

go away.

your attempts at being funny is piss poor. bye lard ass :thumbsup

Oh noes a myspace chick on the interwebs called me fat...whatever shall I do?

i've spoken to 3 different attornies and was told since I am the affiliate that there isn't much I can do. I was told I don't have a strong case but the sponsor does. If anything thing they said I have a better case against the sponsor.

Jesus you are a waste of air.

It also shows itself as funwebproducts and many other names - I look at my logs every day and I figure Im losing 50% of my sales I send to sponsors - you would think that the sponsors have smart enough programmers to write a script to make sure the referring WM gets the sale (in the case of the ones that replace the ref id) or prevent the popup overlay on the join page - since there are only so many words they use for the referral urls

how in the world can you blame the sponsor for what zango is doing? zango is poping up joinpages over the soponsors join page. in most cases its not even the same sponsors site but a competitor.

and i find it very hard to beleive you are losing 50% of sales, when less than 3% of our logs show anything zango related

Not blaming sponsors for anything - I was just saying that it would be a pretty easy fix for the sponsor to take care of - as far as the percentages - you have to understand that the word zango isnt the only referring url that does this - there is also spamblockerutility, funwebproducts and hundreds more - they are all the same type of thing and most are run by zango - so just looking for zango isnt the only problem you need to look at to get your percentages.
The other thing I was talking about - popping an ad over your join page is just a small percentage of the problem - the major part for us affiliates is that the zango install will also replace our ref ids with theirs from the get-go - which is why Ive suggested before that some programs may want to take their top 10 affiliates major referring urls (ya know if Pierre sends a sale from one of his sites what urls to look for) and see how many of those ref urls have his ID replaced - I know of one company that has already done this and was able to get rid of some of the scamming WM IDs - but of course this part of it doesnt lose you any money - just your honest affiliates

One other thing to consider in your lawsuit - the FTC fined them for their practices last year for $3 mill - a drop in the bucket for them - and they didnt change any of their practices in accordance with their agreement with the FTC - they are still doing exactly the same things they were hit for - they have even gone so far as to sue (although they lost) spyware removal/detection software manufacturers for including them as malware - half the programs out there that people run for spyware removal dont guard against this shit - and worst - most of the installs get done through Zangos "spam protection" advertisement popups

i am well aware that zango isnt the only name they use. they use hotbar too and atleast 3 or 4 others. and i said that those made up for about 3% of our traffic.

how do you expect a sponsor to fix this? how can a sponsor control what someone else totally unrelated to their sites does if they have no control over the pages that get popped by a 3rd party on a surfers machine?

I have 1 site that gets hit and thats epiccams and since I dont allow zango traffic, zango does not send me traffic, but instead redirects it to their own cam sponsor. so there is no afifliate ID to change. does this make any sense to you? zangos bullshit does not touch my sites, they STEAL the surfer away by popping over my join page. there is nothing to fix

fuck zango

this sure strengthens my case and the others that have the balls to stand up and fight against them. they are going to stop doing this to my company guaranteed and are also going to pay me for any money lost for the time that they have been doing this to my site.

at this point it is every man for himself unfortunately, unless a federal judge shuts them down and doesnt just fine them. more people need to get off their ass and sue them and maybe they will leave adult for good. and then idiots like lars and quicksucks, i mean quickbucks wont be able to abuse systems like zango.

You certainly can control what happens on the surfers computer - its just as easy to fix as it was to override the popup blockers - just some simple programming

I kind of expected that your really wouldnt be concerned with the affiliates' losses - thats pretty much every sponsors stance since you arent losing any money on that end - its just us that send the traffic that lose out - not whining or anything - just seeing how much reverse loyalty there is among sponsors - and so far Ive only found one company that cares one way or the other about their affiliates being robbed

You want good attorneys to take zango on? See sig. :2 cents: :2 cents:

goodluck hope u get them suckers theyve been playing around with this shit for to long its time everyone joint together and finished them

Their business practice falls under the FTC.. and they settled with them, so it went no further..

The manner in which their business affects other businesses needs to be tested in the courts... without settlement..

If any laws are in fact being broken, it needs to be established..

Paying settlements here & there does nothing but keep them on the streets doing business as usual..

Welcome to CHARGEBACK CITY


i would think. why people would risk their merchant accounts over some extra joins is beyond me. fuck, enough surfers now know that you can chargeback adult shit so easy anyhow nowadays. people must really be desperate to put food on the table now a days.

I don't think you are on the same page with what he is saying. He will not accept zango traffic, therefore when his affiliates send traffic to epiccams the people with zango on their pc will be redirected to another site like cams.com for example. His affiliate loses sales, he loses sales. This isn't what was happening over a year ago where ifriends affiliates were targeting ifriends urls, so the traffic was basically getting traded from one affiliate to the other and the company was still making the sale. When he doesn't allow his affiliates to use zango traffic nor does he use it himself (like cams/aff, sex search, and sexbankoll did), then he loses out just as much as his affiliates.


The only way he can control what happens on his end is to detect zango traffic and block it. He still loses the sale though, conversions and RIO for people promoting his site will still be affected badly, the only thing that does is stop the people who are trying to steal profit from getting his traffic. In that case no one gets it. Thats all he can do short of sueing zango.

BTW, FunWebProducts (from everything I have read) is not related to zango.

thank you. i was about to give up on this guy. he wasnt getting it or i wasnt explaining it good enough. maybe i expect too much out of people

For once I wish you success

since you put it that way, then i am surely going to fight with all my power and strenght and might. i am doing this for you bake. for you bro!

Linkster, in their lawsuit there was an issue with something ZANGO was doing that they were fined for which didn't apply to HOTBAR. Now if you notice on the screens, you'll see the bottom of the screen say 'this product/ad or whatever brought to you by Hotbar'

So there was some technicality - I'd have to find the court documents to show you.


Pimpdog - it's been ever since the US stopped allowing gambling - once they couldn't focus on gambling anymore, they shifted their ad buys to Adult.
Anyhow - everyone that laughed or ignored it thought they were immune - the truth is none of you/us are (including the mainstream guys). You're (not you particularly) just seeing it hurt your bottomline now cuz although the income wasn't decreasing or showing much of a difference then, if the sales haven't grown in the past two years, you're now seeing that the rebills aren't as big as they should be.

I'm glad everyone's now waking up - remember who you trade traffic with/buy traffic from/upsell to. If they fund companies such as Zango - they are not your partners, in fact, they are your worst competitor cuz they can't even play on a level field - they depend on YOUR success, YOUR affiliates, to make money - and they give you some scraps with 'trades'.

good post and well put

You probably don't have us on the list of sponsors that care but just for the record we are readying our siege engines and gathering munitions for our trebuchets to launch.

I think most realize at this point that we are not ones to make idle threats about this kind of stuff either.

I know you are no different than me is this aspect. I didn't spend hours on here trying to educate people and fight the asshole companies who were supporting zango just for the greater good of the people. I was fighting for me, but in order to protect myself I needed everyone else's help, and informing them and posting on here was one of the few things I could do. If you sue I hope you win and even though you are not doing it for people they will still be thankful.

Two things I would strongly recommend, get your attorney in touch with Ben Edelman ( http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/180-affiliates ) and have him do lots of resource on the Gator spyware lawsuits.

hehehe if you're taking this one on - then I do believe they will change their MO or you're definitely going to get REAL immunity for everyone who signs on with you.

:thumbsup

Bingo - Ben is the man!
Also - there's Kellie from AffiliateFairPlay.com (I hope I got her domain right) who's very proficient on spyware too.

im with Far-L on this one. the more the better. and I learned a class action is def not the way to go