In the end, does it even fucking matter? I could care less if my fucking host runs out of thier grandma's basement. Its the service and value that matters. A reliable service at a good price. I have seen good hosts on that are colo'd four or five levels down, resellers of resellers of resellers. And I have seen good hosts like OC3 that own their own shit all the way down to the house cable and the building itself. OC3 is has an outstanding reputation that has been well-earned, IMHO. I don't see you challenging that? So why does any of this even fucking matter?

Gentoo,

I like to think that all of you have said is very true. And, also that some times part of standing proud is saying out loud wait a second that doesn't add up and not letting someone get away with a lie.

It was actually your post with Alex's quote followed by Jay's post with a trace is what got me stirred up:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...9&postcount=62

I'm passionate about what I do as I expect most are here about their relative specialties. I know the same is true for Milan and expect that Alex is also cut from the same cloth.

I simply make a point of being accurate and thats how this all got started.

Brad

It doesn't matter that they're resellers, it matters that they lied about it.

If they're lying about owning their own data center then they're probably lying about alot of other things as well. Who you host with is one of the most important decisions you'll make in this biz....do you want to host with liars?

hi evryone

i just fouond out my father is black

Kindly make up your mind. I'm tired of watching you flip flop around.

As far as I can recall, Brad has never created any drama around here and IMHO, his work is bond.

OC3 has a solid rep as does Mojo...But you are casting doubt apon OC3 by over reacting to a simple question. A question that you have managed to dodge repeatedly.

Why is that?

I never would have cared but the mere fact that Alex is avoiding the question and talking in circles is enough to concern me.

No worries though Alex.....I'm not about to switch hosts any time soon anyway so you're not losing any business from me and as many people around here will tel you....My opinions have little to no impact on others.

As far as I can see Brad hasn't made himself look bad here. Not to me anyway.

and, no I don't host at mojo

Wow this was some very good reading. The conclusion is that Pacific Rack may be somewhat knowledgeable in regards to hosting, but they are a bunch of Liars and resellersas well as OC3, and that's the bottom line. End of story...:2 cents:

no one is lieing, we DO own and operate our own datacenters! I have invited anyone to come down and take a tour. I dont know if anyone from GFY has come for a tour, but there have been plenty of mainstream customers who have looking for colocation.

milan owns THE BUILDING we lease SPACE IN THE BUILDING for our datacenters.

Snake Doctor decided to claim that and then you people believe it as fact??

So having a cage / cages with some servers and switches IN a Datacenter makes you the OWNER of the DataCenter ? That's a little far fetched, isn't it?

I have no interest in all this whatsoever - it's just very obvious that you're digging yourself deeper and deeper into the mess you actually tried to avoid in the first place.

Look, from what I see you offer a great service at a competitive price - isn't that enough to market? You don't need to OWN the DataCenter that you use to have a great product - but when you start avoiding obvious questions and start flip-flopping from one answer to another it starts to look not so good on you, you know?

So make up your mind once and for all, tell it like it is and stop dodging questions or worse, lie about the issues. This makes you look bad, nothing else at all.

Got it?

So grow a pair, admit to reselling OC3 bandwidth, using their DataCenter even if you own your own servers - and get it over and done with once and for all.

Geez, whats so hard about that. You still have a great product after all, and after coming clean you might actually build a reputation up around here, or let's say re-establish it.

Just my :2 cents: - don't shoot the messenger.

Joker, we do own and operate our own datacenter. You are reading what this "Snake Doctor" is *claiming* not what the truth is.
Here are some old pictures of the PacificRack datacenter during build out a while back. www.pacificrack.com/6thfloor/
We also have cages on different floors that are filled with dedicated servers.

https://gfy.com/13324562-post20.html

Problem is that the facts are wrong and for some reason people here trying to dive into other people business without knowing the facts, coming to conclusions and actually believing their own crap and so are others.

here is my last response to the "other drama thread"

https://gfy.com/13324562-post20.html

Well said dude I can totally see where your coming from. I have very much pride in Splitinfinity which i have spent many years working very hard for. The thing is all these new resellers come out every day and so forth. In the end sometimes they take buisness other times they give. Most of these guys could never be where we have spent many years to get.

peace bro

Looks like this just came in as I was already typing and it was not stated before that PR does own a suite at OC3.

So I retract my statement about you only having cages at OC3, as well as apologize for trying to be helpful to get your story straight.

Hopefully milan can get back to his Sabbath dinner now - this really had to piss you off :winkwink:

Good luck with your future business anyways and a happy weekend.

Steve

NP bro wife already pissed at that I can get this notebook of me even on friday night... LOL

Battle of da winey resellers! da only one in here wit any REAL credibility is milan & oc3 crew. Dey own operate dey own datacenter and run da networks the other guys here lucky if dey gots their own dns! there is only 3 reputable companies i knwos of that run and maintains dey own infrastructure OC3, Webair, and Nat Net & in me humbles opinions i personally wont host below dis standards, as da resellers are dependant upon the owners of the facility that they be coloing in. And who da fuck is fortress with all 12 posts?

Nuff said get a real host and move on :pimp

Well said but your list of host with there own data centers is missing a few. mojo host, splitinfinity, and I am sure there are a few others.

reading this thread makes me realize how much Tier 1 ISPs make off of PORN

Mojo - reseller of terremark facility in miami if terramark decides to shut down bub buy mojo

Split - selling hosting form some banana stand in mexico now no? :1orglaugh


Only ones wit the true props that run their own networks, peering, and datacenters are webair, natnet, oc3 and techie as far as i knows. I use to thinks c h o o p a did as well till dey were down for a week due to being kicked out of their facility for not payin da bills which could happen to any reseller at any time. Resellers are at da mercy of who dey host wit, why not just goto teremark direct! get a rack!:pimp

Fo sho

Mitch

You need to get your facts straight. Splitinfinity has more then one facility and were building another one, also just because we choose to host some in Mexico does not mean were a low grade host. If you knew anything there is a lot of money in hosting people from mexico :thumbsup

Also the new place we are building may not look great yet but wait till its finished you think all data centers look great from the start, it takes years of construction and we are a few months in. :winkwink:

From an outsiders view this looks like a world-class witch hunt :2 cents:

I'm not quite sure how to say this but I'll give it a try......AliGbone you are an Idiot. Webair, NatNet etc.... by definition do not own their own data centers, they lease space in buildings (Equinix, switch and datas, various telco facilities ect..) like the majority of all hosting companies do. They do not outright OWN the actual property that the data centers are in. Is this a bad thing? NO it is not, they are hosts and not building managers and leave that task to the building owners and property management companies.:2 cents::2 cents:

Great post, Joker. :thumbsup

I new I remembered another thread where this tidleWave Idiot posted and attempted to bash on another company (IronPath) and tried to say IP was just a small reseller, all the while they themselves pacific rack is really the little reseller, and on top of that (which really isn't so bad) they are really just a bunch of Liars and a company that set out to decieve the adult community. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...light=ironpath

Oh ya gotta love the Drama that GFY brings, Liars, scammers, cheaters, thieves, it's an endless source of entertainment.:2 cents::1orglaugh

Are you really as uneducated as you sound or is this just supposed to be a joke?

I'm not a reseller of anyone for anything. All we purchase from Terremark is space, power and access to the local peering fabric.

We have two cages from http://www.terremark.com in a 2 million dollar plus five year lease. By comparison to virtually everything else in North America we are in the most premium (and expensive) datacenter. Quality of infrastructure is measurable and does make a difference.

No different than an Equinix which is perhaps better known, Terremark is a premium global datacenter company with multiple properties. The site I'm in is one of the most significant telecommunications projects in the US to date, a carrier neutral true network access point. Over 85% of all network and telephone traffic going South of the United States passes through this site. It's a newer, purpose built 800,000 square foot building that is a fortress and is more than N+1 redundant, providing a 100% uptime guarantee on power and cooling.

There are over 160 carriers and ISPs located in it, a who's who of fortune 500 companies (Yahoo!, Google, Akamai, Sony, YouTube, hundreds more) and a long list of US government, foreign government, healthcare and banking customers.

- We own all of our network equipment and operate it ourselves.

- We have our own IP space, AS 27589.

- I employ a Cisco Certified engineer for managing our transit, peers and network devices.

- We have (2) Gigabit connections to the Terrabit peering fabric here and have established relationships with a handful of peers like Google, Yahoo, Akamai, Verisign plus a handful more with many to come in the future.

- We don't outsource any of our managed technical support, it's all done by employees through payroll. Terremark staff is never in our space except for rare occastions if we should ever choose to utilize their remote smart hands service.

- Our servers are our own, we don't rent them or have them provided by any other company as some other operations do.

- Rather than rely on simplistic BGP4 alone (totally inadequate) we deploy an Internap FCP 5200 (http://www.internap.com/product/tech.../page1533.html) which makes 50,000 to 100,000 route changes daily based on performance.

- We have eight DIRECT contractual relationships for 1G and 10G links with carriers. None of our bandwidth is purchased through brokers, resellers or aggregators. Very few hosts can say this although most claim it.


There you go.............. AliBgone!

:2 cents:


Brad

This was some very good reading and informative to say the least. ***Self, stay away from new hosts that Lie on public boards***:2 cents::2 cents:

:Oh crap:Oh crap

I thought this Alex guy is really Chris Gotzmann? Isnt this what started this mess?

I said it back then and now the truth comes out...:1orglaugh OC3 and pacific rack are bad people to do biz with.:2 cents:

With all the thread bumps about OC3 + PacificRack -- Is this just some pathetic attempt at driving them business?

Hey, keep me out of this.

I really don't want to bump this anymore than it is, but brad, I have been out of OC3 since december doing my own thing. I did help build OC3 and I wish them luck now, as I did then, and though I know lots of secrets about a lot of people, I actually know very little about Alex/Chris. He came on late in my tenure, and I worked remote. I only met him twice, and one of those times was right before I left. Brad I have worked with you a few times to help resolve some issues and I respect you greatly as I do the OC3 conglomerate. Please, if you can, keep me outta this one. I know it was only a few mentions in the first post, but this ain't my rodeo.

Thanks brother.

And, Milan I tried to call you today to again offer my condolences, I lost my dad 11 years ago and know your pain.