50 programs talking smack...:pimp

jayscott hit me up on icq bud 247-742-205 :thumbsup

There are.

and they are.

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Good point. I think that's the crux of the problem. There are too many cliques and too many "bros" on the boards. Too many people more concerned with being noticed at a show and getting a free beer than making money.

9 times out of 10 when a program is called out for bullshit, the person starting the thread gets called a troll/loser/broke/etc. Heck, we have programs here who have been exposed for helping the proliferation of content theft in the industry and people defending them for it. We have people defending guys who have stiffed affiliates in previous programs they owned.

The best solution is really for someone to create a site that lets affiliates call out sponsors for stuff. To help spread information back and forth and warn people of problems. I just don't think it's possible here anymore with the ass-kissers and wannabe bros.

good point, for that reason it doesn't seem right when sponsor supplied promo material is watermarked with big impossible to miss easy to read site name....

a surfer that comes to your site because they typed in a search into google wouldn't find it too hard to type in a url that is all over the promo pics, especially after they save all the pics to their hard drives first

well, i dont know about everybody else, but my program is fresh new, and it is really doing great!!!
i'm very happy with the results.

GFY!!!!

http://www.cashfornuts.com/images/pr...te_strapon.gif

I guess your definition of decent quality traffic and my definition differ significantly.

If I was converting at 1:300 I would have to change where I was sending my traffic.

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um, ok....

The problem is if you share something like that, you'll have 100 people call you out on the carpet here for everything from trashing the sponsor to not giving them a chance to resolve the issue.

obviously you are in the same 1:2000 league.

You can't trust anyones experiences but your own. Understand the source of the traffic and have time tested results before opening your mouth.

How did we get drawn into this? lol

my solo sites don't go higher than 1:300
contact me on ICQ if you want some help setting them up!

aLe.-

Really? YOu mean when you sign up to a new program most webmasters don't want to sign up under another webmaster? That's how I read that. I am very surprised by that if it this is true. I always make sure I sign up under someone.

I see that all the time. Shitty ass programs claiming business is great. The experienced webmasters know what's up.

I suppose then that these 'hopeful' programs will end up attracting only stupid, inexperienced webmasters. That will put them on a downward spiral into obscurity.

So, is it better to say that you're program is doing poorly, would that be more likely to keep the ship afloat? I suppose not, really.

I will always be really suspicious when program owners claim their program is converting well and making tonnes of money. Conversion ratios are almost random and could mean anything. They're entirely traffic-specific.

I'm babbling, aren't I...

something tells me that you have no problem posting your stats, so, please, go ahead

Thank you! For being honest!

I had jackasses claim they'd convert 1:80, and better. I am not saying it is not possible. When I started my first page on an amateur level, I e-mailed members of my Yahoo Groups, who wanted me to put up a page, and many of them joined. I probably had a ratio of 1:15 back then.

However, for normal traffic 1:500 is extremely good, 1:700 is good, and for TGP traffic 1:2000 is good. What counts is the ratio over a long time period, like a year, not the stats for one week.

Let's talk about affiliates! I have about 50 of them. 40 don't make any money, 6 or 7 make decent money, and 3 make about 90% of everything. So why don't 40 make any money? Because the sites don't convert? No, because they don't send any traffic.

Sad but true.

I'm sorry . . . are you calling me a liar?

baddog, if you ever fell below 1:100 with us, I'd probably have you lighting up my ICQ ;-)
1:300, you'd be at my door asking what the fuck is going on....

Funny thing is yesterday I looked at my stats from 1/1/05 to current, and overall, they are 1:39 with APM PPS is 1:19.

I hope this post is a joke :1orglaugh If you're converting at 1:2000 you're in the wrong business...

Or he's been long enough in the biz to know that something that sounds too good to be true in most cases is.

I'd have to disagree, and I'm pretty sure I've been in this business just as long as him. My average ratio this year between the 30 or so programs I promote is 1:548 on uniques.

As far as my ratios go this year...

My best program 49 sales at 1:83

A few middle programs
#1 1,817 sales @ 1:431
#2 241 sales @ 1:517
#3 100 sales @ 1:665

Worst program 38 sales 1:2598

Anything converting over 1:1000 I generally drop, unless it's paying $50 pps or higher. And I'm talking uniques, not 2nd page or join page hits. If I was converting at 1:2000 I'd assume something was seriously wrong.

Holy shit :thumbsup

Like sykkboy said, if I started seeing ratios anywhere close to 1:100 I would be definitely be asking questions.

I had a very good run with them too (lost 2 good Google listing since then):

http://www.6dicksunder.com/hh/sas.jpg


but I promote probably no less than 150 sponsors and when I say 1:2000 is common I mean it, I'm talking traffic straight from blogs to the sponsor, I can filter and refilter that traffic too and get it to 1:5 if I really have to but what exactly is the pont? On average the same sponsors with the same traffic convert 3-5 TIMES worse than 6 months ago


sure man, I'll send traffic to the sponsors you tell me to straight from my blogs (I have a few), you promise that they'll convert 1:300 I promise that you get 30% of the sales, do we have a deal?

Well, therein lies the problem. I would never send my traffic to 150 sponsors because I would rather send it to those that convert.

Have I ever had a sponsor that converted like crap? Of course. But then I move on.


Can I get some of that action? I have somewhere you can send your traffic and guarantee you do better than that.

Well, these numbers sound realistic. 1:548 average is still very good, as I said, and 1:83 is possible, under certain circumstances. All depends what kind of traffic it is.

I am just very cautios when people throw fairy-tale conversions around, especially when they only do TGPs, and act as if these numbers are common on a long term basis.

I look at it from the other end, from the program end, and do see that some people talk a big talk when they sign up for an affiliate program. After a couple of sales they don't convert any more and start bashing the site. At a closer look the problem often is that they don't send any traffic. When the farm-boy can't swim he blames it on the swim trunks.

If you only send 5 people a day to a site you are not going to make any significant amount of money in affiliates, no matter what your conversion ratios are.

What makes you think anyone throwing those kinds of numbers around are doing any TGP? Yeah, if I was doing TGP I would probably be elated if I was getting 1:2000

I see what you're saying and don't disagree entirely, BUT if your friend DID make a stink about it and out the guy, I'm guessing he wouldn't have gotten paid. He knew the possibility existed that he would get paid so he kept his mouth shut. There probably aren't too many people who would want to play the hero on GFY and forfeit 4 or 5 figures. :2 cents:

There are programe owners posting on this board all the time who dont pay affilates
Most guys I talk to about this don't believe its worth the drama or the effort a good pissing thread takes.

I think you nailed the source of the problem.

Because my stats program shows where my traffic is coming from. That way we can clearly see if a coversion problem is site-related, due to shitty traffic, or due to a lack of overall traffic. Trust me, we had more than one case where someone was whining about sites not converting, and we shut him right, up mailing him proof that he only send 70 visitors in one month, or tons of low converting TGP traffic.

Bump for bad conversion ratios.

Great thread.. interesting read.