bandwith prices

[mn]

what's the going price for 100mbit now? tier-1

[Phil21]

Depending on provider...

$10 to $35/Mbit for a 100Mbit commit.

You'll probably mostly see $18-25/Mbit for the "non-shady" type of providers, a slightly bit cheaper for non-shady bare-bones providers.

Hope it helps,

-Phil

[TidalWave]

Yeah, it all depends on how they are operating.
I'd say realistically look at around $18-$25 for 100Mbps of premium.

Tier-1 is not a quality measure, improper use has made a lot of people think it is however. Tier-1 references internal politics between peering and transit, not necessarily any measure of "quality".

[TidalWave]

Always make sure you are getting "multihomed" bandwidth too, meaning MORE THAN 1 PROVIDER in a "BLEND" or "MESH" (normally referred to as BGP4).
Just having Level(3) for example is as bad as just having Cogent alone. All backbones have problems, every single one of them, and just have 1 backbone means the provider has no way to act when those imperfect backbones have problems. The more backbones, the better. This is what is truly considered premium.

[Sly]

We have two different bandwidth packages that we run... for 100 Mbps we can do $20-$25.

www.phatservers.com

[fris]

www.yellowfiber.net he can give ya a good deal

[[ScreaM]]

The price depends.

[greenlab]

he.net has a special now, 1000Mbs on a GigE port, 5000$ - > 5$/Mb...what do you think about HE.net bandwidth ? I was thinking in signing up with them but still shopping arround as i did have any real bandwidth experience with He.net.

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

Always make sure you are getting "multihomed" bandwidth too, meaning MORE THAN 1 PROVIDER in a "BLEND" or "MESH" (normally referred to as BGP4).
Just having Level(3) for example is as bad as just having Cogent alone. All backbones have problems, every single one of them, and just have 1 backbone means the provider has no way to act when those imperfect backbones have problems. The more backbones, the better. This is what is truly considered premium.

Quick question for you since you seem knowledgable. If a provider has 4 peers does this mean that the "connections" are multi-homed to all these peers or can it say 4 peers but block traffic to/from those peers?

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[waste]

actually that depends on the location we operate in the NE and can give you multiple options for that area for colo but can give you options for elsewhere in the country really we are talking anywhere between $9.75/mb to $25/mb but really location is the factor and yes this is true tier1 bandwidth not some BS yes we own our own fiber and support ect... i may be alittle to drunk to try to sell you(even though sales is not my job) if you hit the NE look us up cause we got tier 1 deal that can't be beat.

[waste]

Originally Posted by Shaze

Quick question for you since you seem knowledgable. If a provider has 4 peers does this mean that the "connections" are multi-homed to all these peers or can it say 4 peers but block traffic to/from those peers?

ok so I'm not the guy your talking to but peering means that the provider basically means the provider has free traffic running to the other provider; most peering networks work so the controlling pull or push traffic is free depending on how much bandwidth a provider is going through that network. its really a way for providers to push traffic through 1 network for less than a regular network. contact me on AIM for a real demonstration on how this works and the requirements for a peering network.

[TidalWave]

Originally Posted by greenlab

he.net has a special now, 1000Mbs on a GigE port, 5000$ - > 5$/Mb...what do you think about HE.net bandwidth ? I was thinking in signing up with them but still shopping arround as i did have any real bandwidth experience with He.net.

the only way you're getting $5/mbps with HE is if you have an ASN, perform BGP, and have IPv6 IP's allocated and currently routed.
Tall list of requirements for any 1 individual, especially since most companies here don't even qualify.

[TidalWave]

Originally Posted by Shaze

Quick question for you since you seem knowledgable. If a provider has 4 peers does this mean that the "connections" are multi-homed to all these peers or can it say 4 peers but block traffic to/from those peers?

hi, hopefully their only source of internet access is not those 4 "peers".

peering relationships are just a way for any one network to interconnect with another at little to no cost by exchange traffic with each other. you can get out to the internet by "peering" your traffic off and using that peers access to reach it, but normally peering should only be used as a supplemental feature to make access to that one particular network (the peer) more direct. in turn, that peer also sends traffic back to your network, peering is usually setup when 2 networks send each other a lot of traffic and have a way to meet each other at a local facility (say if they are both onnet in the same building).

transit on the other hand is where you pay for your capacity to access the internet. this is the bulk of how internet traffic is, paid access to anothers network with no requirements on input or output traffic, since you are paying them for access based on usage.

if someone calls all their providers "peers" then they have no idea what they are talking about.
you might also hear the term "paid peering" but technically there is no such thing. as soon as you start paying, it is no longer "peering" but in fact "transit".

[waste]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

the only way you're getting $5/mbps with HE is if you have an ASN, perform BGP, and have IPv6 IP's allocated and currently routed.
Tall list of requirements for any 1 individual, especially since most companies here don't even qualify.

most companies yes; IronPath no... look at my reg. date I know what I'm talking about I've been here too long and have to good of a rep to ruin on this I am quoting $9.75 to $25 a mbit here

[waste]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

hi, hopefully their only source of internet access is not those 4 "peers".

peering relationships are just a way for any one network to interconnect with another at little to no cost by exchange traffic with each other. you can get out to the internet by "peering" your traffic off and using that peers access to reach it, but normally peering should only be used as a supplemental feature to make access to that one particular network (the peer) more direct. in turn, that peer also sends traffic back to your network, peering is usually setup when 2 networks send each other a lot of traffic and have a way to meet each other at a local facility (say if they are both onnet in the same building).

transit on the other hand is where you pay for your capacity to access the internet. this is the bulk of how internet traffic is, paid access to anothers network with no requirements on input or output traffic, since you are paying them for access based on usage.

if someone calls all their providers "peers" then they have no idea what they are talking about.
you might also hear the term "paid peering" but technically there is no such thing. as soon as you start paying, it is no longer "peering" but in fact "transit".

ok sounds like you know what your talking about but let a NSP clarify for you if I may, peering is actually a free service for networks to say I'll let this traffic ride free on my network if you let what I got ride free on yours it is not really free because those networks have to pay to be on the peering fabic in the facility not to mention the link to that cross connect, but if someone is bragging about how many peers they have it's just say we ae coast to coast or just have a connection from there to there for free which allows us to bring our costs down while you see no cost decrease. if you want a detailed explaination of this contact me on AIM

[jerzeemedia]

Hit up Brad at Mojohost, definitely quality bandwidth there and the folks there are amazing people!

[TidalWave]

Originally Posted by waste

most companies yes; IronPath no... look at my reg. date I know what I'm talking about I've been here too long and have to good of a rep to ruin on this I am quoting $9.75 to $25 a mbit here

who the fuck is talking to you? no one cares about your bullshit, we are talking about HE.net
this isnt a sales thread to begin with, i think the guy was curious cause hes out shoppping but he didnt asked to be spammed with offers yet

[TidalWave]

Originally Posted by waste

ok sounds like you know what your talking about but let a NSP clarify for you if I may, peering is actually a free service for networks to say I'll let this traffic ride free on my network if you let what I got ride free on yours it is not really free because those networks have to pay to be on the peering fabic in the facility not to mention the link to that cross connect, but if someone is bragging about how many peers they have it's just say we ae coast to coast or just have a connection from there to there for free which allows us to bring our costs down while you see no cost decrease. if you want a detailed explaination of this contact me on AIM

you are an idiot. peering is not a "SERVICE", peering can be established between ANYONE, you don't need to be anywhere near "PEERING FABRIC" to do jack squat. where did you learn what you are trying to explain? NSP school??

your posts are just garbage thrown together to try and sound like you know something.
it sounds like i know what im talking about? get the hell out of here, all 4 of your posts in this thread are trash trying to talk yourself up with blabber.
why are you in this post, this isnt a sales thread as far as i can decipher and the only thing you've done is try to sell shit by trying to fool someone you know what youre talking about.


Why dont you go get more drunk

[TidalWave]

[root@node5 ~]# whois 8.15.1.24
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]
Level 3 Communications, Inc. LVLT-ORG-8-8 (NET-8-0-0-0-1)
8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255
Co-Location.com Inc. LVLT-COLOC-8-15 (NET-8-15-0-0-1)
8.15.0.0 - 8.15.1.255
IronPath Networks REASSIGNMENT (NET-8-15-0-0-2)
8.15.0.0 - 8.15.1.255


you run your own network but you are a reseller of a reseller? and you dont have your own IP space from ARIN either?

you are a customer of co-location.com, and you are routing over PCCW/BTN not even level(3) (who the IP belongs to) with no other routes showing. traces from xo, mci, savvis, and level(3) all go to your PCCW/BTN incoming route. so where is your multihoming?

sorry dude but you brought this on yourself

[denny007]

TidalWave pls email me
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Thanks

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

you are an idiot. peering is not a "SERVICE", peering can be established between ANYONE, you don't need to be anywhere near "PEERING FABRIC" to do jack squat. where did you learn what you are trying to explain? NSP school??

your posts are just garbage thrown together to try and sound like you know something.
it sounds like i know what im talking about? get the hell out of here, all 4 of your posts in this thread are trash trying to talk yourself up with blabber.
why are you in this post, this isnt a sales thread as far as i can decipher and the only thing you've done is try to sell shit by trying to fool someone you know what youre talking about.


Why dont you go get more drunk

ownage.........

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

[root@node5 ~]# whois 8.15.1.24
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]
Level 3 Communications, Inc. LVLT-ORG-8-8 (NET-8-0-0-0-1)
8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255
Co-Location.com Inc. LVLT-COLOC-8-15 (NET-8-15-0-0-1)
8.15.0.0 - 8.15.1.255
IronPath Networks REASSIGNMENT (NET-8-15-0-0-2)
8.15.0.0 - 8.15.1.255


you run your own network but you are a reseller of a reseller? and you dont have your own IP space from ARIN either?

you are a customer of co-location.com, and you are routing over PCCW/BTN not even level(3) (who the IP belongs to) with no other routes showing. traces from xo, mci, savvis, and level(3) all go to your PCCW/BTN incoming route. so where is your multihoming?

sorry dude but you brought this on yourself

LOL..that was brutal....

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

hi, hopefully their only source of internet access is not those 4 "peers".

peering relationships are just a way for any one network to interconnect with another at little to no cost by exchange traffic with each other. you can get out to the internet by "peering" your traffic off and using that peers access to reach it, but normally peering should only be used as a supplemental feature to make access to that one particular network (the peer) more direct. in turn, that peer also sends traffic back to your network, peering is usually setup when 2 networks send each other a lot of traffic and have a way to meet each other at a local facility (say if they are both onnet in the same building).

transit on the other hand is where you pay for your capacity to access the internet. this is the bulk of how internet traffic is, paid access to anothers network with no requirements on input or output traffic, since you are paying them for access based on usage.

if someone calls all their providers "peers" then they have no idea what they are talking about.
you might also hear the term "paid peering" but technically there is no such thing. as soon as you start paying, it is no longer "peering" but in fact "transit".

So let me get this straight, the only traffic that crosses directly across a "peering" connection setup by two providers is traffic whose final destination is going directly between those peers, and not traffic whose destination is on some other network?

So these peer connections aren't the providers main connection out to the internet right, and the main (majority) of traffic going out to the internet goes through other connections?

[greenlab]

We are looking to get 1000 Mbs in Europe (Amsterdam or Frankfurt) however it looks like the 5000$/1000Mb is available also in the US, at all HE.net POP's.

ASN is not expensive to get (arround 1-200$), BGP is not so complicated to use, i think a good quagga open source router will be able to keep up with the 1Gb of traffic. If not an old cisco 7200 router will do it pretty cheap.

If you will be pushing 1000Mb/s you will probably anyway have that in place, or it worth setting that up for the 5$/Mb.

The only "problem" might be the IPv6..however you can get that allocated for a one time few hundreds $$. Cisco and Quagga support both IPv4 and IPv6 on the same port. You can announce the IPv6 classes but there is no requirement to use them, only to announce them in your BGP session. If you still want, you can set-up an IPv6 ip on a server interface so it can respond to pings/traceroutes from the outsite world, so not only that you announce IPv6, but you are also using IPv6

TidalWave, i saw you are up to date and hommed trough multiple providers, can you give me an oppinion about the quality of HE.net bandwidth (congestion, loss, jitter etc) and if they have any downtimes (if you are aware of)...

Thanks

Originally Posted by TidalWave

the only way you're getting $5/mbps with HE is if you have an ASN, perform BGP, and have IPv6 IP's allocated and currently routed.
Tall list of requirements for any 1 individual, especially since most companies here don't even qualify.

[TidalWave]

Originally Posted by Shaze

So let me get this straight, the only traffic that crosses directly across a "peering" connection setup by two providers is traffic whose final destination is going directly between those peers, and not traffic whose destination is on some other network?

So these peer connections aren't the providers main connection out to the internet right, and the main (majority) of traffic going out to the internet goes through other connections?

you CAN still reach the internet by using your peer connections, but it is typically as a last resort because the performance will be worse than you'd get then using your transit uplinks. your peering partners have no real incentive that you are routed properly, or that their uplinks have enough capacity to serve you. most peering agreements actually forbid modifying your network configuration to use the peering as primary in a way to replace some of your transit.

if you are trying to get out to the internet by using the peer connection you have with them, it costs them money so their care for the quality of that outbound bandwidth is low.

some providers do use a lot of peering to send traffic to the internet though in a way to reduce costs... a lot of this happens in The Netherlands, and for on some providers in the USA.

[TidalWave]

Originally Posted by greenlab

We are looking to get 1000 Mbs in Europe (Amsterdam or Frankfurt) however it looks like the 5000$/1000Mb is available also in the US, at all HE.net POP's.

ASN is not expensive to get (arround 1-200$), BGP is not so complicated to use, i think a good quagga open source router will be able to keep up with the 1Gb of traffic. If not an old cisco 7200 router will do it pretty cheap.

If you will be pushing 1000Mb/s you will probably anyway have that in place, or it worth setting that up for the 5$/Mb.

The only "problem" might be the IPv6..however you can get that allocated for a one time few hundreds $$. Cisco and Quagga support both IPv4 and IPv6 on the same port. You can announce the IPv6 classes but there is no requirement to use them, only to announce them in your BGP session. If you still want, you can set-up an IPv6 ip on a server interface so it can respond to pings/traceroutes from the outsite world, so not only that you announce IPv6, but you are also using IPv6

TidalWave, i saw you are up to date and hommed trough multiple providers, can you give me an oppinion about the quality of HE.net bandwidth (congestion, loss, jitter etc) and if they have any downtimes (if you are aware of)...

Thanks

greenlab, their requirement is that you need to be performing BGP already prior to you being qualified for the deal. Which means you need to already be speaking BGP, and announcing your IP allocation to 2 other providers, before HE.net qualifies you for their $5/Meg special.

They have these strict requirements because their $5/Meg is most likely a move to gain new eyeballs or ASN relationships so that they can claim the increased number or ASN's they are neighbors with when they approach other companies for peering or other technical agreements.


HE.net is ok as long as you remember they are a low-cost budget provider. A mass amount of their traffic they actually push through another provider called "Telia". So they are very heavy Telia transit. You most likely wont get superb latency but they are fine, just as is Cogent, for bulk bandwidth pushing such as file sharing, large downloads, etc.
I haven't heard of a major outage, but I am sure they have small localized ones for whatever reason, even level(3) which so many people idolize here has downtimes, and they have indeed have major ones affecting large portions of the internet.

and thats why you make sure to be multihomed if you cant take any downtime (but even then...)

[greenlab]

Telia Sonera is quite good in Europe....i noticed that HE.net have a lot of Telia and some Global Crossing transit. Now it depends on how oversubscribed their Telia uplinks are..

We are also considering Cogent...the drawback it in Europe they are heavily oversubscribed at their peering points, and also some important carriers in Europe only peer with them in the US (ex. Telia) with an average roudtrip of 250-300ms

Overall, witch one do you think is better ? Cogent or He.net ?
He.net looks cheaper with their 5000$ promo, while it looks like a not so oversubscribed network like Cogent...

Originally Posted by TidalWave

greenlab, their requirement is that you need to be performing BGP already prior to you being qualified for the deal. Which means you need to already be speaking BGP, and announcing your IP allocation to 2 other providers, before HE.net qualifies you for their $5/Meg special.

They have these strict requirements because their $5/Meg is most likely a move to gain new eyeballs or ASN relationships so that they can claim the increased number or ASN's they are neighbors with when they approach other companies for peering or other technical agreements.


HE.net is ok as long as you remember they are a low-cost budget provider. A mass amount of their traffic they actually push through another provider called "Telia". So they are very heavy Telia transit. You most likely wont get superb latency but they are fine, just as is Cogent, for bulk bandwidth pushing such as file sharing, large downloads, etc.
I haven't heard of a major outage, but I am sure they have small localized ones for whatever reason, even level(3) which so many people idolize here has downtimes, and they have indeed have major ones affecting large portions of the internet.

and thats why you make sure to be multihomed if you cant take any downtime (but even then...)

[TidalWave]

Cogent is actually very good, they are not oversubscribed. The only reason they that image is people selling it very cheap because they get it very cheap, and then they dont make enough profit or don't care and congest their own ports.

Cogent itself as a provider is good, they have very good peering, some pretty good latency and is overall a good provider. The only bad thing is their image.
I would rank Cogent as better than HE.net overall, Cogent's peering and transit is pretty nice.

If you can get yourself 100% qualified for the HE.net deal, i would talk to Cogent and tell them about it and see if they will price match it for you or at least give you $6/megabit which i know they offer to some people.

dont forget, just like the HE.net deal is only available in certain locations the pricing from Cogent will most likely only be available in certain locations.

so in my opinion it is cogent > he.net

but like i said before if it is just for bulk bandwidth pushing of "trashy" traffic then go for the cheapest. he.net

[TidalWave]

btw i just saw your comment about Cogent in Europe, that is true. Cogent in Europe is so-so. Cogent in USA is good.