Well stated.

Thats a little different. I dont smoke and I think its a foul, dirty and disgusting habit. But I also think people have a right to do it. But they dont have the right to do it everywhere taxdollars are used. For instance, when tax dollars are taken and used to build a courthouse, the courthouse is not built with the idea that it be first a place for people to smoke in it and other uses second. Unlike roads, when they are built and taxes levyed to build them, it is so that they can be driven on by the taxpayers and for no other purpose. Thats the difference.

See the movie the woodsman, its about alot of this.

This is actually the major weakness in the law, and you make a good point. It has been used against people for reasons other than what it was intended for

Except for the last part. You wouldn't be the sex offender, they would be.

The Constitution is not the only place where our rights are laid out. The Constitution does not mention anything about drivers licenses at all, so if we want to argue for the strict interpretation, we can say that licenses and also the taxes themselves all violate the constitution. In fact, its debatable as to whether the government has the right to require a driver's license as a precursor to driving at all. It doesn't have to be spelled out in the constitution to be in existence, it can simply be a matter of common sense. When one is taxed to provide a service, he has a right to enjoy that service that he is paying for.

Dude, don't take this into court, and seriously you should not be using it as an analogy to touch a kid if that's what you're doing

Great fucking movie:thumbsup Kevin Bacon has a lot of balls taking a role like that. He's a great actor

Thats unfair of you and you should apologize to me for it. I am not touching anyone I shouldn't be according to the US laws. Who said anything about taking it to Court? I am fully aware of the fact that truth has little place in a courtroom these days... we all saw what happened to Larkin Rose when he argued the truth in a court, didn't we?

Looks pretty good. I'll add that to my list of to-rents... thanks.

Dude, I wasn't accusing you, but giving you advice on how to defend this thing. In a way I agree with what you are saying and don't want to come across as one of these people who accuse people of things because I can't make my logic work. That's not what I was doing.

I was just saying, you'd lose in a court of law even with a good lawyer on the drunk driving thing if that was your defense. And also that compared to child protection laws is apples and oranges in the way you're presenting it.

If you need an apology you have one. I don't think you're a child molester. Just handing out some of my useless advice:thumbsup

Awesome, awesome fucking movie.

No, actual kiddy porn though (just kidding don't get all hysterical on me):1orglaugh

Seriously though he's right, it's a really good indy film

No problem, thanks for clearing that up. Appreciate the advice. :) :thumbsup

It's actually quite a pleasure hearing someone discuss this stuff openly with no agenda. You can't do this in public or you'd lose your job or something worse the way you took what you thought I was saying to you.

I jump back and forth - if I had a kid and someone did something to them, I'd want to cut the fucker's balls off. On the other hand that's why we have laws so you can't do stuff like that, and cause we're in a supposedly civilized society, and I don't blame people for wanting to shoot them in the face with a shot gun. They probably deserve it.

I just think in the long run that attitude will hurt more than it helps.

Not that you can expect anymore than a law acting as a plaster in an attempt to cure a 12 inch gaping wound....

Lawmakers have proven time and time again that they are both useless and ineffective despite a vast volume of knowledge and background is already before them to aid them in the formulation of laws - they are too busy covering their own selfish asses, committing their own offenses and talking shit.

Meanwhile, - the net has more CP content than ever - most of which is within US lawmaker jurisdiction/control, yet they have done *nothing*.

There are plenty well-experienced law agents dealing specifically with child offenses and a track record which clearly shows most child offenders were victims in their earlier life, clearly needed support/help and this failed miserbly.

Not only has the law failed to deal with the predator, but on occasion has elected to impose the dealth penalty on the victim when he/she retaliated against the abuse. If that is not screwed - nothing is.

The day daddy quits abusing his own or other children and stops the vicious cycle of abuse - is the day most predatory action will begin to stop.

This is not something which can be left to lawmakers alone - it is the responsiblity of every parent to ensure their children are not abused - whether by others or within their own family units. Any society which cannot get a grip of reality and has a clue of how to behalf, has no hope in hell.

A society with the attitude of "I'm all right Jack", expressing a desire to stuff a shotgun in the face of a predator, continuing to abuse children while offering very little support for kids "because it costs too much", have screwed up priorities and are failing to address the core problem. This is more than clearly illustrated by lawmakers actually wasting public funds discussing net access for predators - pointless.

Yeah, its not an easy subject to deal with. Though, if I had a kid and someone took advantage of her, I think I'd blame myself quite a bit too and wonder why I didn't teach them more about the world and how to protect yourself from being taken advantage of, and I don't mean the whole scream yell this man is not my daddy thing. I mean more about how to stay out of such situations to start with. Usually, these things start by a kid getting hit on a chat room or seduced by someone who has contact with them and such.

You actually hit it right on the head with the "it costs too much". I'm actually very ashamed of my country. I know we still stand for things, but I really wish the French had given us the guillotine instead of the statue of liberty.

I don't know. I'm ready to move to Europe or even South America or somewhere. Maybe that will make me appreciate what we have here, like plumbing and um... Oh yeah, running water:1orglaugh

You've said this in several other threads. Saying it over and over again won't make it any truer now that it was then.

Driving is a privelege, not a right. Period.


Any driver's ed or defensive driving instructor out there will tell you the same thing. So will anyone working at any DMV branch tell you, it is a privelege.

ie: your drivers license can be revoked for any numer of reasons. You are welcome to test this by racking up half a dozen or more speeding tickets, then don't pay them, ever.... and see what happens.

If it was your "right" to drive none of that should matter. But obviously, it does.

Stop saying it's your right to drive dude, you are 100% wrong on it being a right.

Very right on all points, though you have to give them credit for doing at least one thing, they have tried to saddle this industry with responsibility for creating them, of course, thats nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to demonize the adult industry. In fact, I think its probably safe to say that the adult industry has done more than any one single industry to try and prevent child exploitation.

The cycle of abuse is definitely there, and it has been shown that most of today's victims are tomorrow's perps. We really should do more to help break the cycle and help todays victims, otherwise the cycle just continues on and on, and continues to get larger each time.

the law ia the law wht
can u do???

Me saying over and over that is a right doesn't make it so, but the DMV and driving instructors saying it over and over does? The IRS claims - and the courts are of the opinion - that the IRS has the right to tax individuals on their domestic income, but the law clearly says they do not. The courts refuse to acknowledge this and Larkin Rose proved it beyond any doubt. The courts and the officials simply ignore the law because it suits them to do so. The same as true for the whole right to drive argument.

thx foR the info...

You are obviously hellbent on remaining wrong in your opinion on this. One day you will learn the difference between a right and a privelege, but today isn't that day.

Much luck to you.

Dude, you should listen to what people are saying here. You know I'm half on your side, but they're even telling you it in a nice way.

Believe me, if you're talking about our courts (American Courts) it's all about the dough and the show:thumbsup

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Sadly, that is the truth smutnet. There are obviously high-profile incidents in media where there has been abusive offenses, but that's just the tip of the iceberg and these cases are usually managed to give public confidence in agencies.

Got some friends in LE in the US and a few have spent time dealing with these specific issues during their careers and one lady is still handling cases these cases and has been for years now. These people are extremely underfunded and the lady I know of will even spend her spare time (there is not much of that!) helping child victims - not necessarily in the role of a govt agent. Some of these offenses are horror stories and *very* serious and where a child has been abused for years (usually in a family unit) - they also extend to more serious offenses than "just" child abuse. It's stunning what some people will inflict on kids.

The "in" tray is piling higher and gathering dust and cases have to be given priority depending usually on physical danger element. The net CP shit files are a low priority (the "main" offenses of child abuse have already happened in that instance) and there are 1000's of IP leads left untracked.

In a couple of countries net CP as we know it, has been reduced to very low levels, but that is not the heart of the problem and this rests within the public/parents in general - basically quit abusing your children or your children will end up abusing others as adults. Most offenses are within family units, not caused by the "stranger in the park" scenario. It's a vicious cycle and not restricted to just males or any class - it's a classless offense.

I can just see minusonebit getting a notice in the mail telling him his driver's license has been revoked, and him storming down to the DMV and yelling "But it's my RIGHT to drive! MY RIGHT I TELL YOU!!"

Can't you just picture it?


And the look on his face after they educate him on how much of a "right" he has to drive.... priceless.

This is a serious problem. And so is cp. It causes PHYSICAL not just psychological damage to children (just in case you're one of those who think psychological is no big deal).

Not sure the net is the problem though. I could actually generate fake cp causing no harm to children if I chose to do so with cgi etc. I think the problem lies with the media exploiting anything and everything it can get it's hands on.

We need devils so find child molesters and they are easy victims (I know, I know, another oxymoron) to turn into devils. You can't have a story book society without a hero and a villian and since us Americans want to portray our story book society, this is one of the other evils we need to keep our heros looking like heroes.

So now I'll pause so everyone can think I'm a child molester or some other heinous thing.(DONE)

I'm just saying our society is structured on winners and losers and I'm sure the lady you know is working her ass off and doing what is probably what I'm talking about should be done, but in the meantime you got Geraldo out there with his hidden cameras exploiting this shit and totally destroying everything your friend accomplishes.

This is my problem and what I think our other friend here was trying to get at even though he's going about it in a confused way which I'm actually doing in exactly the same way right now

Who knows? I'm just glad I'm not responsible for the positive results of all this shit in the end, but it doesn't really look like the people who supposedly are, are actually responsible for results either.

OKAY, NOW I JUST FUCKING CONFUSED MYSELF

:1orglaugh Okay, that's funny! but he does make some good points you have to admit

Inclined to agree with you minusonebit :winkwink:

As long as an individual can prove to a competent authority that they can use a vehicle safely and can actually drive - they have full rights to be issued with a license to do so. It's called freedom to conduct your life as you wish.

We also have the right to walk, ride a horse or whatever in any free society and unless a violation of terms of that driving license occur - there are no rights to remove it.

Lets us not forget "To Catch a Predator", which turned the whole thing into a tabloid type affair. Everybody in this whole mess needs help, the victims, the preps and the families of each. Our society claims its too expensive to render this help and we somehow delude ourselves into thinking that it will be cheaper to deal with the situation over and over and over and over again. I wish that our industry would do something along these lines, though I am not sure exactly what we could sponsor that would have a positive effect without providing a target for the media to aim at as they run more Tide commercials.

:winkwink: It is a very complex issue and can vary depnding on circumstances and really needs some experience in dealing with it. I asked to be "enlightened" one day and over time managed to get an outline of the predator behavior and saw the obvious lack of followup. Also was introduced to a few victims (tho most were adults at the time) - that is one severely pitiful story if they elect to open up and tell of their experiences. Would never have believed that shit happened - but, I'm just too naive and know nothing, tho sure makes you more "aware".

The physical element is sure far more serious than CP and does cause serious psychological damage and where victims can carry that baggage thru their adult lives. CP is more an offense after the horse has bolted.

Have to admit I'm slightly biased now when it comes to net sites portraying alleged "teens". Sure there is a "teen" niche, but when these show models decorated to portray what looks like 13 year olds - judgement says there is a problem - irrespective of whether that content is technically legal or not and would not touch em with two sets of rubber gloves on.

A right is something that can not be taken away from you (hence it is your right)

A privelege can be taken away from you, or otherwise revoked.


Your driver's license can be revoked.


Ergo, driving is a privelege, not a right.


Aside from the part where you have a right to go for your license, be tested, and should you qualify you have the right to exercise your privelege to drive, bbut beyond that the whole "Right to drive" notion is a complete myth.



Minusonebit actually has made a few good points in this thread... but this isn't one of them.

The problem with this is, if they actually are legal, then you're opening a huge can of worms for free speech, creative license and basically free thought.

I mean do we start banning Die Hard cause it looks like he killed a lot of people? I know this is ridiculous, but think about it. How ridiculous can things get in this country?

I'd be for it if I thought it really protected legitimate under age children, but then you have Tracy Lords under age, faking her ID and those guys only got off because a US Passport was used and the government didn't want to look ridiculous itself

I don't know. More touchy subject matter

This is sort of where I was coming from too in trying to explain

They need to give all pedo's the death penalty simple as that. I have no idea why they do not do this. It is so insane that lawmakers can not see the only way to deal with such people is death. Death by the family members of the victim to be more exact. :2 cents:

History is my proof: Every right been taken away from Americans at one point of time or another. It all boils down to how the current supreme court views it (and that changes every 20 years). So you can say that our rights are nothing more then a privilege waiting to be taken away. Rights have been taken away during war or against hated groups in this country all through out our history.

This is a true and very scary perspective and much more thought provoking than death penalities and shot guns in the face.

Much as I don't mind the idea of pumping a cap in someone's ass from time to time.

when we accept the unacceptable, the unacceptable becomes standard. It is hard enough growing up in a world of bullshit inuendo setting aside the years of abandonment issues one has to work through after being molested. I stand by my comments.

Too hardcore, dude. Feels good at the moment, but doesn't work in the long run (assuming you're after the death penalty shotgun in the face solution)

Automatic death penalty / life sentence sounds good, but here's something to consider ... would most children who have been molested, etc rather be alive or dead?

If the penalty for molesting a child is death / life sentence and the penalty for killing a child is basically the same thing ... which do you think many sex offenders will choose? ... very likely kill the child!

Oh but it gets worse than that ... the penalty for murder, even despite the sex offenses committed, depending on how the sex offender kills the child, in some cases may actually be less!

Ron