frankfortuna.....I highly doubt that Sleazydream is anywhere near a road to financial distress....perhaps a highway of success but no road to financial distress. Your point is correct in textbook theory and perhaps in your technology firms, however Sleazy, and the market that gotys wants to sell to, know the TGP business from A-to-Z.....whatever gotys' business plan is, they have the luxury simply to keep it making the 15k that it's presently doing or simply changing the structure to fit their own plans. The person who has 250k to spend on an intagible, has the means to just sit on it and simply do nothing.

Just my :2 cents:

Exactly, everyone is entitled to an opinion and I was simply expressing mine. In the proper hands, I agree the investment (if acquired at fair market value) could flourish. I seriously think some lessons could be learned from the recent VC fallout, and my overall advice is just to proceed with caution.

As a matter of fact, I would acquire PicHunter for what I feel is a fair and reasonable price for the advertising revenue potential. However, there is quite a bit of disparity between what I personally feel it is worth and the asking price.

you're an employee who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Excellent retort.

truth hurts doesn't it

That's right frank, but I think that also depends on your experience with the adult business and TGP's in particular.

If your opinion stems from you BA in Economics and not from experience in the adult business, then I think you should hook up with the guys that have the *street smarts* in the adult business. Textbook theories and mainstream experience don't always convert the same on the adult side of things.

Like I said, ICQ me and I'll be more than happy to discuss with you what we do, etc. There's no need for terse one liners and name calling in my opinion.

this is true, and guess what frank, a lot of us in TGP have a lot more education than a piddly little BA as well........


mind you I work with people who have PHDs in the business and people who dropped outa high school that NET WELL WELL over 1 million a year - so education doesn't mean much.

Perhaps, but this all stemmed from the SEO slam I received. I seriously feel that SE positioning is a good, long lasting strategy that can be as or more effective than a TGP strategy. Again, this is solely my opinion, but I feel individuals such as Chris R and EscortBiz have very solid models.

And I'll be the first to admit that I don't know all the nuances associated with the adult biz. We simply do this out of personal interest, and I feel that some of the things we do business-wise compliment the effort.

don't feel bad, most EMPLOYEES that don't know much about business feel like this.

Frank.....the simple fact that pichunter's popularity is quite high may just be the the complimentary factor that the purchaser needs to move one step closer in the engines. Once you've spent your 250k in ppc engines, you'll need more to continue. Acquiring a site that already brings in 15k a month and can improve your spot in the regular engines may just be better for you in the long run.

Then again, I can be wrong........I am a newbie :)

you won't be a newbie for long if you continue to think like that. You seem to have an idea of what you are talking about.

Just to clarify, the search engine strategy I was suggesting does not involve PPC schemes.

Thanks, coming from you, that's one hell of a compliment!!

I appreciate it! :)

link popularity is crucial for se traffic.

and H1 tag, be very very careful with the h1 tag

http://www.marketleap.com/publinkpop...dll/BuildChart

It's got alot of sites linking to it.

I'll run it for 8K per month :)

Google PR7. Nice.

Jeezus christ I only read the first page. I didn't realize the thread was so long. I'll go back and spend an hour reading....

Frank, sorry I thought you were referring to 250k in ppc engines because personally, I'd think you were nuts if you'd pay someone 250k for Search Engine Optimization Efforts...Efforts meaning attempts?? No....sorry, I'll keep my newbie status for everyone to shun and you could call me ignorant or crazy but I'd never pay for that kind of service. People get in the top 5 without much effort. If those were my two sole options - I'd much rather put the 250k in ppc.

I love these threads....

TGP people talking about how their site is #X in alexa or sextracker - and everyone else wanting to see money - or in some cases PROFIT.

This is the difference between TGP people and the rest of the world. I have one TGP that has been up for more than 5 months. It gets very little traffic, but I would be making $1.2 Million a MONTH if I had half a million visitors a day. I don't even make $100 a day off it on most days, but it ain't bad for the amount of work I put into it (2 hours a month if that).

AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC is shit.

I have nothing against Petr, but people aren't going to believe him. He HAS POSTED in the past about making $3.00 a day and such. Maybe he is bringing in $15,000 a month. But no one is going to buy that - no matter what his "traffic sources" are.

SOMETHING IS WORTH WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR IT.

No one bought it the other times he was trying to sell it - and no one seems to be buying it now.

I hope he does sell it. But I think people willing to spend $250k aren't going to spend it on his site.

There are a number of "big players" in the TGP arena - if it is such a good deal - they should snap this up - truth is most of them probably don't have $250,000.00.

As far as SEO goes - most people that know what they are doing - don't do SEO for others. Why would they? They either have to charge more than what it is worth - or they could just do sponsor ship programs. Dealing with customers is a pain in the ass.

It is kind of like anything else - if people are selling something that makes money - or has the potential to make money - why sell it?

They have to sell it for more than it is worth to them for it to make sense to sell. Does this make sense?

Now if you can levergae stuff like Sleazy suggests - then fine.

Oh well - good luck selling it - at least you got a good shout at the DVD :)

Marketleap?

Yes it does - I think she is talking about pichunter - which is a 5.

Yeah, I was referring to MarkletLeap.

You're probally right there but not for the reasons you think. Most people in TGP made their money in the last few years and it was the first time in their lives they made BIG money - what happens when people get lots of money fast? They spend it.

I know TGP people who have ferrairies, million dollar homes, boats worth many hundreds of thousands, etc etc etc.

The reason many of them are broke is cause they spend the money as fast as they get it. It's a sickness but it happens to the best of us, and not just TGP people but pretty most any people who come into money for the first time have this problem.
me included.

I do not think anyone in there right mind here would ever pay a SEO. Anyone doing this full time can pretty much figure out how to get a top 3 ranking for most any term by simply reading up on the topic.

Now, there is a market for your services, but you'd be better off telemarketing to inexperienced business owners who'd like a website.

when you guys speak of the 'tgp people', do you mean the guys that post the gallerys and submit to places like thehun.com, or do you mean places like, thehun.com?

both - I know TGP that make piles of money and I know people that just make galleries that make piles of money - and combinations of the two

Hey my domain has 7k linking to it...does that make it worth $100,000? I'll sell for a mere $10k though...hehehe....

Yes - and you are right about not TGP people. People see they guy with the rolex and think rich. I look at the guy and think - you spent what for that?

Here are some stats for "The Millionaire Next Door" (Great Book by the way)

The average Millionaire has never spent more than:

$399 for a suit
$140 for a pair of shoes
$235 for a wrist watch
$29,000 for a car

and the average millionair lives in a home worth $320,000 (likely to be much higher now - as the book is 6 years old - and real estate values have gone up a lot.

Are you aware that you have a Google PR0?

only problem is a million dollars today isn't a lot of money

Know any freehosts that make piles of money? ;)

Another question...

What would you consider a good rate for banner advertising on a freehost, say, if I started accepting ads (other then my own) in the header/footer..?

hehe, my mom read that book.

i think it's truly sad to spend beyond your means. i also think it's extremely stupid.

when I think about it, I PERSONALLY (meaning met in person) don't know anyone who does exclusivly free hosts who makes a lot of money from them - i know people who make a lot of money who also have free hosts, but I get the sense that they make it from other things. I don't know much about the free host business- too scarry with child porn, rape, and terrorism crap that can be uploaded to it.

it's possible I think....... traffic is money

it's one thing to buy neat cool stuff if you have the money. It's another to borrow.

Tell that to someone that doesn't have it. Where I live - a million dollars put a way in a T Rowe Price MD tax free bond fund has yielded 6.42% for the last 15 years - TAX FREE.

Anyone that can't live nicely on $64,200 NET a year has a problem.

No - you can't live like bill gates, but you can do fine off a million bucks.

Well I don't have this problem... I guess I'm just smart. :winkwink:

That's rediculous.

I think you made a typo - $64,200 NET a month is almost livable - a year is torturel

I have a problem. I need help. Please

It's all about living below your means. Too many people try to look like millionaires, and most millionaires never look like millionaires. There is a reason for that. Invest your money into assets instead of liabilities.

Google PR just as important as linkpop ;)

I can easily live from less then $30,000 a year... and I do have a very happy social life.

How true. How fucking true.

Email me at [email protected]

For $2k i will run it full time. I can foward my resume to you and give you more info if you need it.

Thank You:)

Simple fact is this:
Traffic, weather it's SE, AVS or TGP traffic, is ONLY as good and profitable as the person behind it.

Nothing more, nothing less.


I have to agree with Sleazy on most parts of his arguments. "Profitable" TGP people are different kind of breed and can see paying outrageous amounts for a site like pichunter. Some of them understand the value of TGP traffic because they've learned to convert it. Those who have, make boatloads of money since there's so much of that traffic to go around. Those who haven't complain about it.

Take pichunter who doesn't make money or little money from all his traffic. He obviously doesn't specialize in TGP marketing. Get a guy in there who does, and who knows TGP traffic and what to do with it, can turn it into a massive cash machine.

Certain people are better then others in the TGP game..they understand what to do with the traffic and have spent hours upon hours studying it. It's truly an art to make cash from TGP traffic.

Gotys, I wouldn't sell it. I would just grab someone who knows the TGP market.

You are obviously skillful in your own right for building loyalty to your site and mass traffic. Stick with doing what you do best, and hand over the marketing job to someone who understands converting TGP traffic.

just my :2 cents:

are you dr evil's Nr2 ?:Graucho

look at the bright side, you may not get 250,000 grand for the site but you will get a dvd player for long thread

Hey Petr man, you know what, everyone that wants to make bullshit comments about the value of your site and what you might want to sell it for is a complete jack ass. I respect what you want to do and anyone that expects you to start throwing your income on GFY has got to be kidding, they wouldnt do it, im sure they dont expect you to do it.

As for your linking relationships, maybe but im not buying that a good freind of mine bought a site in the top 20 on ST and that site is still in the top 20, and he has just as many of the large trades that were there before, till this day.

Petr your traffic does excellent for me, if it didnt I wouldnt buy spots, so anyone that wants to think anything else, keep thinking it, I like the spots Ill keep buying them.

You have a ton of telent petr hate to see you so fucked up, I would rather see you get your shit together and get down to business, fuck cows leave that for the farmers and inbreeders, and ofcourse the people that dig eating steak :)

Much love bro, best of luck in whatever you do.

I agree... people who sleep on money and have NO LIFE can :321GFY

smart words