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xApster · 10-24-2007, 04:49 PM

http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lif...inment-Profile

Not sure if it was posted before but good article...

fris · 10-24-2007, 05:14 PM

funny none the less, owner of youporn posts on another webmaster forum

Quick Buck · 10-24-2007, 05:15 PM

and the moral of the story is....

youporn is not making money. it's just getting traffic.

give me 100 million dollars to give away and i'll give you a top 10 site by giving away $10.00 bills to everybody who visits the site once a day for a month.

Biggy · 10-24-2007, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

and the moral of the story is....

youporn is not making money. it's just getting traffic.

give me 100 million dollars to give away and i'll give you a top 10 site by giving away $10.00 bills to everybody who visits the site once a day for a month.

Of the $120k/month, I wonder what AFF pays them thru etology. My estimate puts it at 50% or higher, imagine if they pulled advertising what would happen...

i paid $900 for the front page ad spot, and it wasnt worth it, so this article confirms its really tough to monetize that site. also, why hasnt anyone come out with a totally free dating service, its gotta be easier to give away free personals, than to give away free porn - less bandwidth costs also. with the type of thinking of the youporn owners, you can do a lot of destruction to business. give away everything for free, incur all the bills, let it grow out of control, and try and sell it to the next owner at a 15 year multiple and hope they can profit off it, let alone the legal issues.

Casa Nova · 10-24-2007, 05:19 PM

it's been posted great article

fris · 10-24-2007, 05:20 PM

they make money, just not from sponsors

Arkantiger · 10-24-2007, 05:21 PM

read it great article

tony286 · 10-24-2007, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

Of the $120k/month, I wonder what AFF pays them thru etology. My estimate puts it at 50% or higher, imagine if they pulled advertising what would happen...

i paid $900 for the front page ad spot, and it wasnt worth it, so this article confirms its really tough to monetize that site. also, why hasnt anyone come out with a totally free dating service, its gotta be easier to give away free personals, than to give away free porn - less bandwidth costs also. with the type of thinking of the youporn owners, you can do a lot of destruction to business. give away everything for free, incur all the bills, let it grow out of control, and try and sell it to the next owner at a 15 year multiple and hope they can profit off it, let alone the legal issues.

there is a free dating site I think its called kettle of fish or something like that.

Biggy · 10-24-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fris

they make money, just not from sponsors

from where? article said $120k in advertising a month. thats not that much, for a site that size...

Fat Panda · 10-24-2007, 05:26 PM

very good read indeed

FreeHugeMovies · 10-24-2007, 05:46 PM

When I read stories like this I laugh. What has a company like VIVID done to better their position in the online adult sector? Nothing

With all of their deep pockets, traffic and branding; they haven't done crap over the years.

The same goes for a lot of companies like Vivid.

StarkReality · 10-24-2007, 05:47 PM

Great article, and the bottom line to remember for everybody: "They’re giving porn away. You can’t make money on this."

axelez · 10-24-2007, 05:49 PM

$120k/month isnt that bad

WiredGuy · 10-24-2007, 05:54 PM

You guys see their demographics? Such a tiny share is actually from countries you could bill:

Germany12.0%
United States11.8%
Philippines6.1%
Italy3.7%
Chile3.4%
Mexico3.3%
Turkey3.2%
United Kingdom3.2%
Greece3.1%
Brazil3.1%
France2.8%
Poland2.5%
Argentina2.4%
Slovakia2.2%
Venezuela2.0%
Canada2.0%
Singapore1.8%
Spain1.6%
Croatia1.6%
Belgium1.3%
Puerto Rico1.3%
Hong Kong1.3%
Peru1.2%
Portugal1.1%
Netherlands1.0%
Other countries21.1%

WG

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-24-2007, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

there is a free dating site I think its called kettle of fish or something like that.

www.plentyoffish.com

i found out 2 days ago my moms a member

fuckingfuck · 10-24-2007, 06:01 PM

When one day their offices are raided for hosting illegal porn, i'll be laughing my ass off.

10-24-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

from where? article said $120k in advertising a month. thats not that much, for a site that size...

120k per million visitors..

10-24-2007, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

When I read stories like this I laugh. What has a company like VIVID done to better their position in the online adult sector? Nothing

With all of their deep pockets, traffic and branding; they haven't done crap over the years.

The same goes for a lot of companies like Vivid.

i guess you'd expect me to kiss your ass because you own a tgp but the reality is we easily make more in a day than you make in year. please shut the fuck up and go approve some galleries.

FreeHugeMovies · 10-24-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

i guess you'd expect me to kiss your ass because you own a tgp but the reality is we easily make more in a day than you make in year. please shut the fuck up and go approve some galleries.

First it's an MGP not a TGP, but that really doesn't matter. Why would I expect you to kiss my ass?

Don't get pissy at me bc. I expressed opinion and you didn?t like it Mr. ?General Manager?

What has Vivid done in the online sector to increase their branding and over all around market presence in the last few years?

tony286 · 10-24-2007, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaysin

www.plentyoffish.com

i found out 2 days ago my moms a member

I guess kettle is close. lol

Biggy · 10-24-2007, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

120k per million visitors..

"All the features were free, and, as Jones admitted, the advertising revenue was meager—about $120,000 a month. Jones said he wasn’t too interested in figuring that out himself. He planned to grow the audience as large as possible and then “exit” to an established company with the resources and know-how to parlay the traffic into revenue. Not that he’s expecting the $1.65 billion Google paid for YouTube or even the $580 million Rupert Murdoch coughed up for MySpace. Jones told Hirsch he’d be willing to part with YouPorn for $20 million. Hirsch said he’d be in touch." - this is what I read in the article.. am i missing something?

10-24-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

First it's an MGP not a TGP, but that really doesn't matter. Why would I expect you to kiss my ass?

Don't get pissy at me bc. I expressed opinion and you didn?t like it Mr. ?General Manager?

What has Vivid done in the online sector to increase their branding and over all around market presence in the last few years?

On the tech side Vivid has made strategic partnerships in VOD and we were the first adult company to securely offer download to burn technology. We've also coded our entire affiliate program and paysites from the ground up. You will not find 3rd party software anywhere on our sites. Anyone who has worked with us over the past 2 years or so can tell you how quickly and easily we are able to integrate on B2B apps -that's excluding the people we've had to blow off

On the affiliate side our tracking platform has allowed affiliates access to extremely detailed and accurate reporting. Our in depth knowledge of merchant processing, risk management and great banking relationships have allowed us to push throughput much higher than programs processing on 3rd party accounts. We also provide custom integrations into our backend as well as data feeds to affiliates who need them. Billing models and payouts can be custom fit to meet any particular deal.

We've publicized celebrity sex tapes to the mainstream press better than any other adult company in the past (in my opinion) and have allowed our affiliates to capitalize on this exposure. Our press has appeared on Perez Hilton, TMZ and the Superficial more than any other adult company's. KimKSuperstar on a good day does more joins than entire programs that advertise on this board. Affiliates pushing traffic know how easy it is to convert the site.

We've partnered with many companies and have our upsell model down to a near science. We are able to leverage thousands of joins per month in trades, and not just in cross-sales like many companies. We can usually win any contest.

We handle a lot of traffic buying in house but we do not compete with our affiliates in a lot of places where it is possible for us to. Any of our affiliates that we do business with know that they can contact us at any time and their issues are resolved quickly. Try and find someone that we actually do business with talking shit. You won't.

10-24-2007, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

"All the features were free, and, as Jones admitted, the advertising revenue was meager?about $120,000 a month. Jones said he wasn?t too interested in figuring that out himself. He planned to grow the audience as large as possible and then ?exit? to an established company with the resources and know-how to parlay the traffic into revenue. Not that he?s expecting the $1.65 billion Google paid for YouTube or even the $580 million Rupert Murdoch coughed up for MySpace. Jones told Hirsch he?d be willing to part with YouPorn for $20 million. Hirsch said he?d be in touch." - this is what I read in the article.. am i missing something?

I was in that meeting they talked about in the article

It was 120k per million

10-24-2007, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

I was in that meeting they talked about in the article

It was 120k per million

just to clarify...that 120k per million would be as if they did 5 million hits daily, multiply that by 120k for the month. Not 120k per million per day.

Quick Buck · 10-24-2007, 07:28 PM

you're making no sense.

Az A Bay Bay · 10-24-2007, 07:31 PM

good JOB...

FreeHugeMovies · 10-24-2007, 07:33 PM

Okay so we are on the same page. Over the past several years Vivid has added...

Stats Tracking for affiliates
Buying Celebrity Sex Tapes and making websites
VOD

Now before you think I was bashing Vivid, I've never heard a complaint about the company etc etc. IMO, you guys could do a lot more to obtain a bigger chuck of the market place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

On the tech side Vivid has made strategic partnerships in VOD and we were the first adult company to securely offer download to burn technology. We've also coded our entire affiliate program and paysites from the ground up. You will not find 3rd party software anywhere on our sites. Anyone who has worked with us over the past 2 years or so can tell you how quickly and easily we are able to integrate on B2B apps -that's excluding the people we've had to blow off

On the affiliate side our tracking platform has allowed affiliates access to extremely detailed and accurate reporting. Our in depth knowledge of merchant processing, risk management and great banking relationships have allowed us to push throughput much higher than programs processing on 3rd party accounts. We also provide custom integrations into our backend as well as data feeds to affiliates who need them. Billing models and payouts can be custom fit to meet any particular deal.

We've publicized celebrity sex tapes to the mainstream press better than any other adult company in the past (in my opinion) and have allowed our affiliates to capitalize on this exposure. Our press has appeared on Perez Hilton, TMZ and the Superficial more than any other adult company's. KimKSuperstar on a good day does more joins than entire programs that advertise on this board. Affiliates pushing traffic know how easy it is to convert the site.

We've partnered with many companies and have our upsell model down to a near science. We are able to leverage thousands of joins per month in trades, and not just in cross-sales like many companies. We can usually win any contest.

We handle a lot of traffic buying in house but we do not compete with our affiliates in a lot of places where it is possible for us to. Any of our affiliates that we do business with know that they can contact us at any time and their issues are resolved quickly. Try and find someone that we actually do business with talking shit. You won't.

10-24-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

you're making no sense.

it made little sense in the meeting as well

Az A Bay Bay · 10-24-2007, 07:35 PM

thxz foR the infO...

datatank · 10-24-2007, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

just to clarify...that 120k per million would be as if they did 5 million hits daily, multiply that by 120k for the month. Not 120k per million per day.

Thanks I was confused

So 1million hits per day average over 30 days would = 120k PER MONTH
5 million hits per day would = 600k PER MONTH?

10-24-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

Now before you think I was bashing Vivid, I've never heard a complaint about the company etc etc. IMO, you guys could do a lot more to obtain a bigger chuck of the market place.

I'm not going to bash any other studios but we are bigger than most all of them online. Offline obviously as well.

Our directors are now starting to shoot content that is much more web oriented. I don't need to get into details or be one of those guys that says 'just wait until you see what's coming', but a lot is planned for the near future.

10-24-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by datatank

Thanks I was confused

So 1million hits per day average over 30 days would = 120k PER MONTH
5 million hits per day would = 600k PER MONTH?

or however million per day they do...that wasn't disclosed.

tony286 · 10-24-2007, 07:50 PM

I think Vivid wont go near it for two reasons, one if they dont take off all the free unlicensed content given away they are wide open to all legal bullshit because their arent in sweden and secondly people go there for free porn 30 min clips, they take that away kiss the traffic goodbye.

tony286 · 10-24-2007, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by datatank

Thanks I was confused

So 1million hits per day average over 30 days would = 120k PER MONTH
5 million hits per day would = 600k PER MONTH?

I think it is 120k a month because if it was 600k they would be asking a whole lot more than 20 million.

tony286 · 10-24-2007, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

I think Vivid wont go near it for two reasons, one if they dont take off all the free unlicensed content given away they are wide open to all legal bullshit because their arent in sweden and secondly people go there for free porn 30 min clips, they take that away kiss the traffic goodbye.

I should of read the rest of it and it said what I said. duh lol

10-24-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

I think it is 120k a month because if it was 600k they would be asking a whole lot more than 20 million.

how many years revenue out are you thinking?

tony286 · 10-24-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

how many years revenue out are you thinking?

ok now I can see that did the math but why did the article say 120k?

WiredGuy · 10-24-2007, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

ok now I can see that did the math but why did the article say 120k?

I'll take the wording of someone who was at the meeting over a reporter.
WG

10-24-2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

ok now I can see that did the math but why did the article say 120k?

the reporter probably didn't understand what he was talking about...

10-24-2007, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

Okay so we are on the same page. Over the past several years Vivid has added...

Stats Tracking for affiliates
Buying Celebrity Sex Tapes and making websites
VOD

LOL I guess that post I made wasn't comprehensive enough for you.

Our meetings get mentioned in Portfolio, is that enough to let you know we probably have other things going on?

Thurbs · 10-24-2007, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

LOL I guess that post I made wasn't comprehensive enough for you.

Our meetings get mentioned in Portfolio, is that enough to let you know we probably have other things going on?

damn Mike - u got pissed up there

Snake Doctor · 10-24-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

and the moral of the story is....

youporn is not making money. it's just getting traffic.

.

Yep, good to know for sure.
Even though these sites have zero content expense because they steal content, they still can't make a profit after software and bandwidth expense.

Of course, yahoo and thehun weren't making a profit their first few years either. It remains to be seen what will happen long term.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think Vivid wont go near it for two reasons, one if they dont take off all the free unlicensed content given away they are wide open to all legal bullshit because their arent in sweden and secondly people go there for free porn 30 min clips, they take that away kiss the traffic goodbye.