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Old 10-23-2007, 09:11 PM   #51
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Nobody.

What's with the propaganda line about "Iran is our ememy" bullshit?? Are they?? Duh? Or is it that someone told you they are? Guess?

Sheesh... the propaganda bullshit will end up sinking the US into an even deeper swamp.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:12 PM   #52
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Soviets did not lose their Afghan war than!
That is correct...they chose to withdraw...as they did not want to continue to pay the consequences of occupation.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:15 PM   #53
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Pigshit. We are still at war with Korea, we are just under a truce.
I know that...but it is a truce because Truman would not allow our forces to go beyond the 38th...which was a mistake.
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I know that...but it is a truce because Truman would not allow our forces to go beyond the 38th...which was a mistake.
I just wanted to say pigshit to you.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:18 PM   #55
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I just wanted to say pigshit to you.
Wot was that you said aico?? Pigshit???

Totally agree
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:24 PM   #56
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USA?

or would it be the start of ww3?
China and EU will win...
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:26 PM   #57
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Lets all hope we don't start another war... we're all hoping this Iraq shit is over with soon.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:48 PM   #58
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I'm not sure how people call Iraq II a complete loss. I mean they blew the shit out of everything in the country, captured and executed the government, and put one in place that is friendly to them. The aftermath is a complete clusterfuck, but the Iraq regime was completely annihilated.
Yes, a true "great success" in invading a country that didn't have a damn thing to do with the reason we went there. The administration wasn't capable of finding the real terrorists behind the 9/11 attacks, so we went for the "easy target". So they lied and sent many young patriotic men and women to die or be crippled. God bless America.

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Old 10-23-2007, 09:50 PM   #59
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You hit the nail right on the fucking head. People mistaken the war with the aftermath. We won the actual Iraqi war quite easily, but we fucked up by hanging around there afterwards trying to run their country for them. Now it's a quagmire we can't ever hope to win...
The war in Iraq was over in like thirty days. In fact, it was rather stunning if you ask me.

However, we the winners of the war can't just walk away and say "well, that's all folks".
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:10 AM   #60
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:13 AM   #61
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:22 AM   #62
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:56 AM   #63
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The war in Iraq was over in like thirty days. In fact, it was rather stunning if you ask me.

However, we the winners of the war can't just walk away and say "well, that's all folks".
Which brings up the importance of understanding how the citizens of a country are going to react to their government falling. It was never a secret that Iraq was divided into three sections and hated each other. The only thing keeping the peace was Saddam's iron fist.

If foreign military forces didn't have the ability to impose forced control over these unruly Iraqi citizens, then we should have left Saddam in power. This conflict is never going to end until someone goes into Iraq and starts killing any man, woman or child who doesn't want to go along with the plan.
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:19 AM   #67
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That is the best answer by far. The fact that this is even a thread is absolutely insane.
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:52 AM   #68
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If the USA just plans to bomb them from the sky then yeah no contest the USA will win.

But if they invade with military, say goodbye to your troops because the IRG will slaughter them.
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:53 AM   #69
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By the way the people that are hoping for war are absolutley insane, they don't realise that THEY will be the losers and they will have to adopt because of rising prices and loads of other shit.
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I'm not sure how people call Iraq II a complete loss. I mean they blew the shit out of everything in the country, captured and executed the government, and put one in place that is friendly to them. The aftermath is a complete clusterfuck, but the Iraq regime was completely annihilated.
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Like the dollar won when they went to war with Iraq?
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USA?

or would it be the start of ww3?
seriously? i think its China
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Nobody.

What's with the propaganda line about "Iran is our ememy" bullshit?? Are they?? Duh? Or is it that someone told you they are? Guess?

Sheesh... the propaganda bullshit will end up sinking the US into an even deeper swamp.
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US would probably screw Iran up military wise, but they can screw us up economically. Tough to say.
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No it doesn't make me proud, I never said it did. I don't get into the nationalism bullshit like you guys. It's just a place I live.
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Yes, a true "great success" in invading a country that didn't have a damn thing to do with the reason we went there. The administration wasn't capable of finding the real terrorists behind the 9/11 attacks, so we went for the "easy target". So they lied and sent many young patriotic men and women to die or be crippled. God bless America.

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I think the war is as shitty as you do. I just said it wasn't accurate to say the US got its ass kicked in Iraq. Don't construe my comments as pro-war.
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Yes this would be a stupid, destroy America's economy sort of decision.

One thing that should be mentioned on this thread is that Iraq is like a walk in the park compared to Iran. Iraq was a complete fucking joke of an army. We rolled in with superior firepower and force, and 24 days later have the military completely neutralized.

Iran isn't going to be easy at all if the US attacked.

A ground war is completely off the table. It would require more troops than we could muster, probably even with a draft and 100% of America's support. Have you looked at a map of Iran? Its a huge country. About 5 times the size of Iraq. Iraq is like hopscotch compared to Iran.

Also Iran's military is sophisticated. They continually purchase brand new equipment from Russia, mainly TOR mobile surface to air missile launchers that are very modern and perhaps even better than our shakey US Patriot missile systems. Airstrikes would be difficult.

The only battle plan I have heard of that is on the table so to speak is of air strikes which would still incur huge US casualties (many more times the amount we have lost in Iraq) per Pentagon war simulations. We would have to use tactical nuclear weapons on their nuclear facilities to destroy them. Their navy would be formidable, and it was within reason that we would sustain warship losses if we attacked. If they sunk any oil tankers that regularly bring oil out of the narrow straight of Hormitz, the world would panic and oil would hit 200+ dollars a barrel due to the major supply disruptions and instability just that alone would cause, discounting the oil that wouldn't be able to be pumped from Iran.

And don't take my word for it, take the word of the actual US generals and admirals that would retire (perhaps even openly defy the president I would hope) if he were to order such a retarded attack, because they know what a bad decision, militarily, it would be.

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USA?

or would it be the start of ww3?

well in 6,000 years persia has never maintained any kind of military advantage in the world.
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lets see oil would go thru the roof,who could want a thing like that to happen? hmmm The funny thing is they are running the iraq/saddam playbook all over a again and it shows us how really dim we are as a nation.That they can probably get away with it twice.
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Iraq II -won the war as we defeated the Iraqi military forces and overthrew their government in 24 days. We are currently in occupation mode.
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