Scorescash.com are motherfuckres!

[minimouse]

Look at what dear fucking tara sent me by e-mail after not paying me 5 months:

Hello,
I have reviewed your account. Your conversion ratio is very abnormal,
and you have no referring URL. Our sites convert very well around 1/200.
You're converting at 1/10- 1/20. That's extremely abnormal. The only
thing we can conclude is that this account is fraud. Please contact me
with a referring url, and an explanation. Otherwise if I do not receive
a response, I will assume this account IS fraud.

Tara Maier
Webmaster Relations/Marketing
ICQ# 153035556

I say KILL the bitch


PAY ME MOTHER FUCKERS!

[Jakke PNG]

Originally posted by minimouse
Please contact me
with a referring url, and an explanation. Otherwise if I do not receive
a response, I will assume this account IS fraud.

Did you miss that part? You should be ok, just tell them where your hits came from.

[boldy]

Scorescash rules, i dont send them much traffic but it converts 1:200, tara is right... your traffic sux, not scorescash ... period

[SpaceAce]

"Your conversions are too poor, it must be fraud. We're moving you to our partnership program."

"Your conversions are too good. It must be fraud. We're keeping your dough."

No other evidence? No excessive chargebacks? No complaints? Your traffic is too GOOD? What the hell is that about?

SpaceAce

[Cheshire]

Originally posted by minimouse
Please contact me
with a referring url, and an explanation. Otherwise if I do not receive
a response, I will assume this account IS fraud.

There you go ~ nothing to worry about unless your cheating, and of course you're not cheating......... right?

Originally posted by minimouse
I say KILL the bitch


PAY ME MOTHER FUCKERS!

Totally unnessesary and rude ~ she's just doing her job and you know that.

[Minte]

That seemed like a very professional response

[Diluted O2]

To die for an idea is to place a pretty high price on conjectures. - Anatole France, from The Revolt of the Angels

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by minimouse
Look at what dear fucking tara sent me by e-mail after not paying me 5 months:

Hello,
I have reviewed your account. Your conversion ratio is very abnormal,
and you have no referring URL. Our sites convert very well around 1/200.
You're converting at 1/10- 1/20. That's extremely abnormal. The only
thing we can conclude is that this account is fraud. Please contact me
with a referring url, and an explanation. Otherwise if I do not receive
a response, I will assume this account IS fraud.

They canned you and basically call you a a cheater for having too good of conversions?

They should be kissing your ass.

Send them the proof and tell them youre moving your traffic elsewhere.

Some person you dont know basically called you a crook. "The only thing we can conclude is this account is fraud?" Geez what aboutn "Good conversions.?"

No she automatically assumes you are a crook.

Fuck all that.

Chesh: thats doing her job? Calling people crooks because of good conversions? I wouldnt push them.

Fuck them.

[EscortBiz]

Scroescash will be a ninas partay, they sound like great people

[Sly_RJ]

Send her your sources. Show her where your traffic came from. Prove you're right. Collect your due money. And move your traffic.

I've been called a cheater once. It really sucked. But I was right, so the problem was solved. False accusations still suck. If all your traffic is legit, I feel for you...

[GFED]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Scroescash will be a ninas partay, they sound like great people

They don't sound too great reading that post...

I'd prove I didn't cheat, take the money, and move my traffic like Fletch suggested...

[TDF]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Send her your sources. Show her where your traffic came from. Prove you're right. Collect your due money. And move your traffic.

I've been called a cheater once. It really sucked. But I was right, so the problem was solved. False accusations still suck. If all your traffic is legit, I feel for you...

true enough but shouldn't every affiliate already have access to this information?

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by toodamnfli


true enough but shouldn't every affiliate already have access to this information?

Yep. They should. But, I usually try to think good of people who are making me money until there is available proof otherwise. I wouldn't accuse someone of fraud just because things look fishy, as you know, I'm dealing with a similar situation right now.

Accusing people before asking for an explanation is a great way to burn bridges.

[Cheshire]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Cheshire: thats doing her job? Calling people crooks because of good conversions?

I hear what you're saying Fletch, and I personally would have left out the sentance about fraud.

[TDF]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Yep. They should. But, I usually try to think good of people who are making me money until there is available proof otherwise. I wouldn't accuse someone of fraud just because things look fishy, as you know, I'm dealing with a similar situation right now.

Accusing people before asking for an explanation is a great way to burn bridges.

exactly. There are more tactful ways of saying let me see your traffic sources besides flat out acusing an affiliate of cheating their program. If you ask me pesonally I dont think this is really about minimouse being accused of cheating moreso than the fact he/she claims not to have been paid for the last 5 months

[EscortBiz]

by the way minimouse Gmar Chasimoh Tova

Hope it works out for everyone and it was a simple misunderstanding

[tara]

I am very professional and fair with ALL our webmasters, I am always here to be as instrumental as I can be to everyone. I don't know why you would have a problem with my previous requests for the referring URLs. But since you do, you've left me no other choice than to predict this is fraudulent.
Seeing you are such a gentlemen in your post, I will not stoop to your level and respond to such obscenity

I would be more than happy to clarify this if you would send me what I've been requesting. I have been asking for this information from you repeatedly. If the account is a good outstanding account there should be no reason why I can't have the referring URLs. Thank you.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by toodamnfli

If you ask me pesonally I dont think this is really about minimouse being accused of cheating moreso than the fact he/she claims not to have been paid for the last 5 months

I'm a bit bothered by that as well. If he was flagged over 5 months ago for odd activity, he should have been immediately notified and questioned on the spot. This never should have escalated to what it is right now.

Like I said, prove you're innocent (funny, we're in the United States), get paid, and move on. If I was outright accused of cheating sales, you can bet your ass I would be moving whatever traffic I could.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by toodamnfli
If you ask me pesonally I dont think this is really about minimouse being accused of cheating moreso than the fact he/she claims not to have been paid for the last 5 months

Agreed.

Originally posted by tara
you've left me no other choice than to predict this is fraudulent.

HAHAHAHA

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by tara
I have been asking for this information from you repeatedly. If the account is a good outstanding account there should be no reason why I can't have the referring URLs. Thank you.

If she's been asking for it, then the original post is BS. Don't post half of the story man, send her the damn referrals!

[nocostporn]

fuck that,don't show her a damn thing..Tell her you are popping it from exits and are one lucky motherfucker lol...tell them to PROVE you cheated...Take a stand! fight the man!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by nocostporn
fuck that,don't show her a damn thing..Tell her you are popping it from exits and are one lucky motherfucker lol...tell them to PROVE you cheated...Take a stand! fight the man!

Exactly.

With 5 months worth of pay owed, you would think someone would need proof before taking your money without paying you. But as with any story, I dont know the whole thing, so who knows.

Ta Ta

Innocent till proven guilty.

Just a guess.

[TDF]

the scary thing about this is when does an affiliate throw up a warning flag on your traffic. Is it when your traffic converts "too" good or when a high number of chargebacks occur on your account. Are u saying it's ok to spam as long as your under the "1-200 ratio" thats normally associated with the site?? Its too many open variables that just lets me know that affiliates need better and more efficient traffic and link referrals on their systems!

[tara]

If we're talking about me accusing let's get the record straight that I am also being accused of 5 months when the reality is that it's one month of pay . That is in question.

[Platinum Tony]

Hey there

Thats not the greatest way of going about things dude!

Tara is just doing her job i'm sure !!
What you said is not cool !!!

Think about about an apology and try to settle the
matter !!

Platinum Tony

[nocostporn]

well I've got a 1:3500 ratio with scorescash...Maybe,just maybe I should say you guys are shaving signups? I don't need proof,this is just "odd" so please prove to me you arent shaving...NOW

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by tara
If we're talking about me accusing let's get the record straight that I am also being accused of 5 months when the reality is that it's one month of pay at a let's just say a NOMINAL amount. That is in question.

Does the amount really matter? Interesting. Was it $50, or $500. I'm not picking anything with you, but pointing out the amount in question gives me a weird feeling.

What he stated isn't exactly an accusation, it could very possibly be the truth, or not.

[Pipecrew]

probably a spammer

[boneprone]

1 in 20??
or
1 in 2000?
or
1 in 20,000?

In the post it says 1 in 20 ratio?
This cant be right? Why would anyone get canned of a 1 in 20 ratio?

[GFED]

Originally posted by nocostporn
well I've got a 1:3500 ratio with scorescash...Maybe,just maybe I should say you guys are shaving signups? I don't need proof,this is just "odd" so please prove to me you arent shaving...NOW

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by boneprone
1 in 20??
or
1 in 2000?
or
1 in 20,000?

In the post it says 1 in 20 ratio?
This cant be right? Why would anyone get canned of a 1 in 20 ratio?

Looks that way.

I know I have better than 1:20 on some sites with sponsors on clean search engine terms, and would blast the fuck out of them on the boards if they canned me for doing good.

[RogerV]

Tara can you guys see how many have canceled on the trial what percentage? Most of the time if all cancel in the trial period they are fraud but the conversions wouldn't show that.

You guys need to understand sometimes acounts get flagged because there is alot of fraud out there.

She is only doing her job show her where the traffic is coming from and she would probably pay you out this happens alot.

We normally flag an acount if all trials canceled before they went active or certain % of them. alot of webmasters out there cheating the system.

[Dirty F]

Altho im not in a posistion to get 1:20 per signup i know some other people do, in a legal way.

Custom build tours and own content can do 1:20, filtered by a click her to join button. That Tara doesnt know this and i do amazes me, even more cuz she works for a big company operating per signup programs.

[theking]

Originally posted by RogerV
Tara can you guys see how many have canceled on the trial what percentage? Most of the time if all cancel in the trial period they are fraud but the conversions wouldn't show that.

You guys need to understand sometimes acounts get flagged because there is alot of fraud out there.

She is only doing her job show her where the traffic is coming from and she would probably pay you out this happens alot.

We normally flag an acount if all trials canceled before they went active or certain % of them. alot of webmasters out there cheating the system.

My manager suggested that we quit doing trials a long time back. I agreed. We also reduced the price for membership at the same time. We made more money, saved on headaches, and have never gone back to trials. I am surprised at how many sites still provide trials, and how cheap some of the trials are. I really don't know why a surfer would actually sign up for a site when so many sites offer trials at such a low price they can sign up for the trials and view the content on ten different sites (even more because some sites offer multiple sites with the trial) in a month for the same price, and even less, then signing up with a single site for a month. I don't know if sites offering trials are grasping, or it actually is working for them. Maybe they have upsells inside the members area. Maybe someone can clue me in why trials are a good thing and not a bad thing. I think trials are almost as bad as TGP's are, well maybe that is strecthing.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Battuss
Altho im not in a posistion to get 1:20 per signup i know some other people do, in a legal way.

Custom build tours and own content can do 1:20, filtered by a click her to join button. That Tara doesnt know this and i do amazes me, even more cuz she works for a big company operating per signup programs.

Yeah maybe he is hiding the referring page because he doesn't want ScoresCash stealing his ability to do 1:20... That's obviously an asset that doesn't need to be shared.

Anyhow what is it -- 5 months or 1 month?

Also dude -- were you on the per-signup program? How many signups are we talking about here. If it was only a few signups then it sounds real suspicious...

Were you doing an "LST" -- Labret Shave Test?

[theking]

Originally posted by nocostporn
well I've got a 1:3500 ratio with scorescash...Maybe,just maybe I should say you guys are shaving signups? I don't need proof,this is just "odd" so please prove to me you arent shaving...NOW

Good concept

[J.R.]

This is a GOOD example of why to stay away from
per click & per signups places. This type of thing
happends all the time

Rush 4 Gold screwed me years ago..

This was Xpics normal method of doing business.
Cancel them all, save yourself $

If you're that good, send the traffic to me
and make more cash longer!

[insidethegame]

Originally posted by theking


My manager suggested that we quit doing trials a long time back. I agreed. We also reduced the price for membership at the same time. We made more money, saved on headaches, and have never gone back to trials. I am surprised at how many sites still provide trials, and how cheap some of the trials are. I really don't know why a surfer would actually sign up for a site when so many sites offer trials at such a low price they can sign up for the trials and view the content on ten different sites (even more because some sites offer multiple sites with the trial) in a month for the same price, and even less, then signing up with a single site for a month. I don't know if sites offering trials are grasping, or it actually is working for them. Maybe they have upsells inside the members area. Maybe someone can clue me in why trials are a good thing and not a bad thing. I think trials are almost as bad as TGP's are, well maybe that is strecthing.

...and how long has your "manager" been in this biz a week!!LOL...Trials have been the MAIN STAY of the PPS model since the beginning dipstick.Why are you even participating in paying webmasters when you obviuosly dont get the concept.BTW REAL programs track referals and offer them to their webmasters and real customer support personel,track the referals,compare them against and track them through their credit card data base,contact the webmaster and THEN make a decision.

[theking]

Originally posted by insidethegame


...and how long has your "manager" been in this biz a week!!LOL...Trials have been the MAIN STAY of the PPS model since the beginning dipstick.Why are you even participating in paying webmasters when you obviuosly dont get the concept.BTW REAL programs track referals and offer them to their webmasters and real customer support personel,track the referals,compare them against and track them through their credit card data base,contact the webmaster and THEN make a decision.

I went through a couple of managers before the one that I currently have. My current manager has been with me for around three years, actually a little more than three years, I think. We do not have affiliate programs anymore either. There were too many headaches invovled in that also. We took a drop in traffic for awhile but with some innovation we brought the traffic level back and are doing better than ever. In my opinion trials just suck bandwidth, don't pay off and create headaches, but maybe you can educate me about the concept.

[minimouse]

This is for tara from scroecash.

1. We are working with you for 5 month and haven't got 1 check from you (since may 2002).

2. You discovered this by mistake that you havent sent us even 1 check since than.

3. We sent you 2 e-mails (you never did respond to the first one) asking about "where are the checks?".

4. Our traffic comes from AVS members pages (why not 1:20 it's a very good traffic).

5. you got the referring URL's by e-mail.

6. You didn't send us any notice about fraud activities in june??

7. You acused us in fraud without even asking?

8. We have another account with that we had 1 sale and we didn't receive payment untill now (Is that fraud also?).

9. Please send us our money and we will not work with your comany ever again.

10. Gfy

For the other webmasters thank you for the support. all of the above is the whole story.

[Zebra]

I've done alot of Fraud Control over the years for various programs and I can assure you that NOT having the referring URL's on an account that is doing 1:20 is a huge red flag.
The majority of people that I have shitcanned for fraud were trying to hide their URL's. I won't go into some of the sneaky methods that people have used to cheat, but some of them are pretty damn slick and on many accounts it took weeks to track down what they were doing to scam us out of $.

In the majority of cases when asked for referring URL's we would be given a bogus page that was just created that day or some lame excuse why we couldn't look at the URL. Most affiliate programs have wording in their TOS describing how traffic can or can't be sent. Hiding referring URL's is usually a big no-no.

Despite what some people in this thread think, exit consoles show up as a referring URL. You have to actively try to hide your referring URL's 99% of the time when they do not show up from a normal page.

This line from Scorescash TOS http://www.scorescash.com/terms.jsp could be in effect in this case:
7. Scores Cash will pay you for unique visitors that enter our website(s) received from a banner(s)or text links served from your website. A valid click is registered as 1 unique visitor. Tampering will lead to termination, loss of all funds, and very possibly prosecution. Our log files will prevail in determining amount of clicks.

Hope both parties can sort the mess out. These things are almost always either a mistake or someone getting caught breaking rules and getting pissed about not getting paid.

[RogerV]

Originally posted by Zebra
I've done alot of Fraud Control over the years for various programs and I can assure you that NOT having the referring URL's on an account that is doing 1:20 is a huge red flag.
The majority of people that I have shitcanned for fraud were trying to hide their URL's. I won't go into some of the sneaky methods that people have used to cheat, but some of them are pretty damn slick and on many accounts it took weeks to track down what they were doing to scam us out of $.

In the majority of cases when asked for referring URL's we would be given a bogus page that was just created that day or some lame excuse why we couldn't look at the URL. Most affiliate programs have wording in their TOS describing how traffic can or can't be sent. Hiding referring URL's is usually a big no-no.

Despite what some people in this thread think, exit consoles show up as a referring URL. You have to actively try to hide your referring URL's 99% of the time when they do not show up from a normal page.

This line from Scorescash TOS http://www.scorescash.com/terms.jsp could be in effect in this case:
7. Scores Cash will pay you for unique visitors that enter our website(s) received from a banner(s)or text links served from your website. A valid click is registered as 1 unique visitor. Tampering will lead to termination, loss of all funds, and very possibly prosecution. Our log files will prevail in determining amount of clicks.

Hope both parties can sort the mess out. These things are almost always either a mistake or someone getting caught breaking rules and getting pissed about not getting paid.

I totally agree
I don't think any sponsor wants to drop a good webmaster if he or she is sending good traffic and conversions.
we all pay to much to get you to try our programs out to begin with.
Most of the time if a webmaster is frauding the system they don't work with the sponsor to clear it up.
If everything is above board there should be no reason to not pay you.

Like Tom Cruise said in Jerry Mcguire
Help me Help you!

or Fuck me Fuck you

Either way I hope this all works out because I send traffic to Scores Cash and they have a good program and sites that convert well.

[minimouse]

Just hope it will not convert to well... lol

[RogerV]

Originally posted by minimouse
Just hope it will not convert to well... lol

Fuck 1/20 not bad I'd like to see how you do with us?
have you tried us out yet? shoot over me over a little traffic

[Nina]

Originally posted by Zebra
I've done alot of Fraud Control over the years for various programs and I can assure you that NOT having the referring URL's on an account that is doing 1:20 is a huge red flag.
The majority of people that I have shitcanned for fraud were trying to hide their URL's. I won't go into some of the sneaky methods that people have used to cheat, but some of them are pretty damn slick and on many accounts it took weeks to track down what they were doing to scam us out of $.

In the majority of cases when asked for referring URL's we would be given a bogus page that was just created that day or some lame excuse why we couldn't look at the URL. Most affiliate programs have wording in their TOS describing how traffic can or can't be sent. Hiding referring URL's is usually a big no-no.

Despite what some people in this thread think, exit consoles show up as a referring URL. You have to actively try to hide your referring URL's 99% of the time when they do not show up from a normal page.

This line from Scorescash TOS http://www.scorescash.com/terms.jsp could be in effect in this case:
7. Scores Cash will pay you for unique visitors that enter our website(s) received from a banner(s)or text links served from your website. A valid click is registered as 1 unique visitor. Tampering will lead to termination, loss of all funds, and very possibly prosecution. Our log files will prevail in determining amount of clicks.

Hope both parties can sort the mess out. These things are almost always either a mistake or someone getting caught breaking rules and getting pissed about not getting paid.

very intelligent post.

[minimouse]

I believe tara has no time answer me or find a solution for this.

[BabeHunter]

tara
It's a really simple case...you guys need to check the convertion of the trials to monthly signups...if it's good...then he isn't cheating...if a big % of the trials go nowhere...then it's a problem
i had some pretty good ratios with some sponsors...1:30 with pure google traffic...

[minimouse]

Fuck 1/20 not bad I'd like to see how you do with us?

You gotta love RogerV smart spam

[chodadog]

Originally posted by SpaceAce
"Your conversions are too poor, it must be fraud. We're moving you to our partnership program."

"Your conversions are too good. It must be fraud. We're keeping your dough."

No other evidence? No excessive chargebacks? No complaints? Your traffic is too GOOD? What the hell is that about?

SpaceAce

Perhaps you missed the part about no referring URL's? An account with no referring URL's will ALWAYS be a suspect acount. Add to that, conversions that seem more like join4free, than paysite conversions, and it's obvious why they're a little suspicious. All they're asking for is an explanation. If he's legit, not a thing to worry about.

[minimouse]

I gave her my ref link already, she didn't answer me yeat.