Ok, I'm very curious now....why won't people work together and step up to the plate?

[RMG]

Every single day on every adult message board, you see people posting about TGPs, Free Porn, and yadda yadda. Why hasn't an extreme movement been implemented by the big boys? A petition among adult webmasters to start a new trend? A sponsor banning of TGP traffic? ANYTHING?

Surely there is much profit to be made if something actually goes down and becomes the "norm" but, why is it that no one has the balls/guts/money to start the change?

[[Labret]]

They used to... back in the day.

I remember lots of programs had in their terms "no picpost or tgp traffic". But that was mostly when per click ruled.

Now its all pay per signup and recurring so who really gives a fuck how shitty the traffic is.

What we need is bandwidth prices to go up and freehosts operaters to be drug into the street and shot in the face. tgps would die if it was 7 bucks a gig like the old days. And a fuck of alot less galleries would be built if someone had to actually pay for bandwidth.

You people complain about cheap surfers yet you cant pay for your own bandwidth.

I have an idea, why dont you all fucking die.

[SetTheWorldonFire]

nice

[Jak]

Originally posted by [Labret]
I have an idea, why dont you all fucking die.

Jak

[Amputate Your Head]

I'm with Labret on this.... stab all of them in the face with a barbeque fork and ass rape them till they bleed.

[Dildozer]

extreme movement?
Like porn guerilla?
Bomb the TGP's?

[Redbone]

Fuck 'em. I'd love to see them die out too, but I think it'll happen without the intervention of a barbecue fork.

Still, why not? Get the fuckin' forks.

[RMG]

I personally don't post to TGPs for profit...I may use them to fuel other projects...but posting to TGPs for pure profit is a thing of the past.

A year ago when I started posting to TGPs, the idea was still profitable...make a great selling gallery, slam it with shit traffic, and the marketing will overcome the BW costs. That is not the case anymore as I can easily go 0:1000 on any givin gallery with links that state the trial price.

I'm still wondering why everyone doesn't ban together to start a real movement...TGP2 was a start...but the same time that was started, so many newbies where flocking to the biz, that it was certain to fail due to lack of traffic. The big boys will never change as they have no need for it. The Hun will continue to sell his ad space and gallery spots as will AL4A, etc. There is no risk involved because there is no gaurentee of a sale for these purchases.

These big sites probably make up around 2-5% of total adult internet traffic...why hasn'st a movment been implemented?

[Amputate Your Head]

it's really quite simple to do.... just ban the shit.
We're always checking for cheaters and shit anyway, so if you decide you don't want that shit coming your way, all you gotta do is nuke their account when you catch them promoting from a tgp. Hard to implement? I think not. Just a matter of enough sponsors doing it to force the tgp's into a career at Pizza Hut.

[vegasdude]

[pipp]

Originally posted by vegasdude

hahaha

[Jizar II]

Originally posted by vegasdude

HAHA fuck thats mean!

[RMG]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
it's really quite simple to do.... just ban the shit.
We're always checking for cheaters and shit anyway, so if you decide you don't want that shit coming your way, all you gotta do is nuke their account when you catch them promoting from a tgp. Hard to implement? I think not. Just a matter of enough sponsors doing it to force the tgp's into a career at Pizza Hut.

It's not so much the sponsor's problem, but the affiliates themselves who (i think) are cutting themselves short with every freesite and gallery made.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by RMG


It's not so much the sponsor's problem, but the affiliates themselves who (i think) are cutting themselves short with every freesite and gallery made.

sure... but are THEY going to stop it? Hell no.... not as long as they got free bandwich all day long from Snuffy's Freehosting. Besides, what would they do then? So who's left in the loop to quelch the flow? It might not be their problem, but no one else is ever going to do anything about it.

[RMG]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

sure... but are THEY going to stop it? Hell no.... not as long as they got free bandwich all day long from Snuffy's Freehosting. Besides, what would they do then? So who's left in the loop to quelch the flow? It might not be their problem, but no one else is ever going to do anything about it.

Well as a full time affiliate myself, I've NEVER been able to accomplish anything using freehost submitting.


EDIT:

I'd love to be able to throw 200k a day at TGP galleries with nothing but toplist links and bannerexchanges...but on a freehost, I know I will never get that kind of traffic. Will I do it on my own dime...fuck no....not even at the 1.00usd a gig I have now.

[rogerbo]

Oh yea go and bann the TGP's and then you say godby to the hun, al4a, worldsex and so on ??
There will ALWAYS be some one who gives away FREE content.
My view is that as long the sponsors give out FREE content which can be used by every newbie you can't stop anything.
So make all pay for the content and hosting and you have all the school kids of the web.

[Dice TGP]

Why don't the big players get together and get rid of free porn? Have you ever heard the expression don't rock the boat? Why would someone do something so risky when he's making great money the way things are???

All the big sponsors can ban tgp traffic, but think of how many hundred, probably thousand smaller programs would love to get more of that traffic. The fact is there will always be someone willing to give away free porn, and someone willing to pay for the members. Because of that, free porn will never go away. Deal with it, if you can't, do something else.

Now on the other hand, [Labret] let me know if you need help with the free host owners. They're what has made a small problem a huge one, any dumb fuck porn surfer can put up 50 pics with one banner on smutserver and get listed on the Hun.

[RMG]

I don't think its the sample that is the problem. It's what samples are givin that are the problem. Take the infamouse worldsex.com for example, that is a site known for listing only hardcore galleries. I did a test with that site once and out of 50 softcore galleries and one hardcore gallery submitted, guess what got listed...the one hardcore gallery I submitted. The rest got rejected.

What I'm saying in this thread is that the big boys will always do what they are doing now to make money, becuase they do not have to rely on conversions, etc. If a company buys banner placement for a month from worldsex and recieves XXXXXXXXXX amount of visitors and 0 sales...guess what worldsex says "Sorry, better luck next time".

The big sites don't give two shits about the submitters or the companies that buy the ad space. The only job they have is making sure to keep the kind of traffic that they have. The only one I can give any props to is The Hun, becuase of the way he runs his site and his gallery listings (granted most people cheat him like hell), because the quality is decent for TGP traffic.

These big sites may look great on sextracker, but that doesn't mean jack shit, because the majority of adult traffic is in the smaller sites. As I said before, these huge TGPs are probably only about 2-5% of the adult internet traffic.

[Amputate Your Head]

There are lots of great ideas for solutions, but you see, being in a brutally cutthroat business like this is fraught with peril concerning any solution.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:
Sponsors get together and decide to eliminate crap tgp traffic by killing the accounts as they are discovered.
SOLUTIONS PROBLEM:
Someone will always be starving for that extra push of traffic and someone will always be there to supply it, so there can never be 100% compliance.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:
Raise bandwich prices to a level that tgp's can no longer afford thereby forcing them out.
SOLUTIONS PROBLEM:
Bandwich goes up for everyone, increasing the cost of of doing business while simultaneously losing the tgp traffic. The herd will be thinned and people will shut down. Not just tgp's. Hosts will lose money and clients, which in turn decreases their cash flow as well. Everyone struggles.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:
The TGP owners get together to create some sort of unified solution such as offering less free content or less hardcore to the surfers in order to drive them to buy.
SOLUTIONS PROBLEM:
There can never be full compliance with this because someone will always give away just a little bit more in order to gain an edge on their competitors. This was actually tried with TGP2 and a year later, is there a difference? Was there even a ripple in the water?

For every solution there is a showstopping problem with it because that is the nature of the industry. We're great people... we all get along for the most part.... but business is business and we cut each other throats daily with this shit. And as long as it CAN be done... it WILL be done.

[RMG]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
There are lots of great ideas for solutions, but you see, being in a brutally cutthroat business like this is fraught with peril concerning any solution.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:
Sponsors get together and decide to eliminate crap tgp traffic by killing the accounts as they are discovered.
SOLUTIONS PROBLEM:
Someone will always be starving for that extra push of traffic and someone will always be there to supply it, so there can never be 100% compliance.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:
Raise bandwich prices to a level that tgp's can no longer afford thereby forcing them out.
SOLUTIONS PROBLEM:
Bandwich goes up for everyone, increasing the cost of of doing business while simultaneously losing the tgp traffic. The herd will be thinned and people will shut down. Not just tgp's. Hosts will lose money and clients, which in turn decreases their cash flow as well. Everyone struggles.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:
The TGP owners get together to create some sort of unified solution such as offering less free content or less hardcore to the surfers in order to drive them to buy.
SOLUTIONS PROBLEM:
There can never be full compliance with this because someone will always give away just a little bit more in order to gain an edge on their competitors. This was actually tried with TGP2 and a year later, is there a difference? Was there even a ripple in the water?

For every solution there is a showstopping problem with it because that is the nature of the industry. We're great people... we all get along for the most part.... but business is business and we cut each other throats daily with this shit. And as long as it CAN be done... it WILL be done.

Personally AMP, I think you are ahead of your time.

But...I still tend to lean on the fact that these big sextracker guru's don't make up nearly the amount of traffic that most people think. I run sites which only list MY shit. Do I update it every singly day? No...I do it when I want/can. I give the surfer whatever I want...because without us (the adult webmasters) there would be no free porn for all these wankers. Is there any law that says we have to provide XX amount of pics for XX amount of ads? fuck no.....we are webmasters and do as we wish.

Granted it would be easier if everyone followed our methods, but for every 1 big fish that doesnt conform, there will be 10 little fish who will.

[rogerbo]

I just see one thing here you all are talking about to much free Porn, I can agree with that But my question is From where is that free porn comming ??
So far all are just talking about that the sponsors should stop accepting the TGP's for accounts.
Raising the BW price and that the TGP owners should find a solution for that problem.

I say the whole problem is created by the Sponsors it'self as they give out Free content by themselfe So it's to easy to start Gallerys on free servers.

The oones who buy content for their gallerys will watch that they can make as much ot of the set as possible. With free content I don't care just put a page together and submit it and this is what makes the sales bad.

[RMG]

I'm thinking more along the lines of a new innovation in the adult industry...TGP was great at its beginning and is becommign less and less profitable for those based on affiliate sales.

I'm in the mindset for something like TGP gallery with with XX amount of pics, each pic leading to a starting HTML pic and having "next pic" links leading to the next pic in the set. "Cheaters will win and we will be out of the biz!!!". Bullshit...there are so many talented script makers in this industry that this kind of setup (or any variation like it) could be made possible in a matter of days/weeks.

What ever happened to thinking outside the box?

When did everyone forget that WE, the webmasters, provide the free porn for the world.....without us, there would be many lonely people indeed....and more playboy sales hehe.

[chodadog]

I think banning TGP's altogether would be rather silly. Rather, maximise the quality of the TGP surfer. Tease him. Fuck these galleries with 15-30 hardcore pics.

8-12 Teaser pics, and TGP traffic would be fantastic.

I think Roger from Pornkings and a few other sponsors (who are currently nameless until this goes ahead) are actually going to be doing a fairly major push in this direction.

Good luck to 'em i say.

[12clicks]

as a sponsor, why should I care about TGPs?
they eat each other alive with their free content.
The surfers will eventually end up at the sponsors doorstep or not.
It's up to TGP guys themselves to rein in what's going on. Unfortunately, they don't have the self control to do it.

[Alex From San Diego]

Ban this, ban that, stick forks in peoples asses, yada, yada, yada.

Are you guys kidding me?....lol

Quit your complaining about how you can't make money working the TGP game. If you can't adapt or use the grey matter between your ears (or lack of) to figure how to generate money from that type of traffic, then step aside and do something else.

Do you really think people would still be paying for listings if they didn't make money? Shit, the price per listing even increased on the Hun a little over a year ago from $150.00 per listing to $200.00 per listing and the other big guys soon followed.

Some things that will always stay true regardless of what industry you are referring to, and that is everything evolves whether for the positive or the negative and as things evolve, you better be able to adapt or you will not survive. This industry will always be here but the reality of it is some of you won't.

[BVF]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

PROPOSED SOLUTION:
Raise bandwich prices to a level that tgp's can no longer afford thereby forcing them out.
SOLUTIONS PROBLEM:
Bandwich goes up for everyone, increasing the cost of of doing business while simultaneously losing the tgp traffic. The herd will be thinned and people will shut down. Not just tgp's. Hosts will lose money and clients, which in turn decreases their cash flow as well. Everyone struggles.

You were right about everything except about "everyone" struggling. Even in the 20's depression, there were PLENTY of people living wonderfully.

I'm for getting rid of the freehosts somehow and charging for bandwidth. Yes, some people will be shut down and all that, but as long as I know that "I'm" not going to shut down, I'm cool. And that's how the rest of you feel. Y'all may party together and everything in vegas and florida, but the ONLY person that you REALLY care about making it in this industry is YOU!

Just get rid of freehosts and raise bandwidth prices. I know that I can afford it regardless. You can't even get a free page on geocities anymore. They make you pay for that shit!! That solved the problem of porn being hosted on their servers.

A whole SHITLOAD of these cheating leeching muthafuckas lives in the freehost and free messageboard universe. You take that shit away, and I could safely say that 85% of the bullshit would be eliminated.

Another way to get rid of the glut of porn is to REQUIRE full disclosure of your contact information in order to have a domain name that is used for porn. Don't make it available on whois, but let some regulatory body hold the information. I'd be more than willing to register my information in order to get rid of some of the competition who wouldn't be willing to do it. But if something that drastic happened, most people would just go offshore.

In fact, within the next 10 years, I can easily see a big movement of online pornographers moving offshore. All that it would take is for a few people that we all recognize to catch a bullshit charge trumped up by the feds. Any webmaster who is making any kind of money would be on the next plane or boat out of here. A webmaster could easily move to Jamaica, and legitimately have no federal income tax on the first $70,000 he makes. The scammers won't be able to afford to move offshore and that will really thin the herd. But that's another subject.