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and to everyone else... yeah. no shit. its politics. of course it is. who said it wasn't? you think you're a fucking genius to point out that a politician panders to his political base? what does what any other head of state and their habits have to do with this persons remarks? absolutely nothing. the discussion isn't about "what everyone else does and says"... its about what one person said.
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In the past 20 years they have had contracts with the U.S., Russia, Britian, France and others for peaceful energy. In every case, the contract was broken. The have a legitimate complaint. Same as any country does for being told what they can and cannot do. If the U.S. had the EU, Canada, or other countries telling us what we can and cannot do, or have what would happen? Oh that's right. It has on many issues. The U.S. ignores it. Start with the international court, UN security counsel resolutions, and move backward from there. So we flip off other countries on their wishes, and when others do it to the U.S. or international community we have the nerve to be outraged? Get real.. :disgust |
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and they are afraid of Iran because they are ARABS ( sarcasm ...) |
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Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem that fought the palestine cause after the world war, was already cooperating with the nazis pre -and during the world war. Since then the nazi methods have inspired the pan arabic movement. Today you see same sort of propaganda, same brainwashing of their kids (like the Hitler-jugend), same sort of controlling the weaker majority, same sort of manipulating the outside world.... and their enemy number one are the jews. You know, Israel attacked Iraqs nuclear facilities in the 80's. Don't you think they will do that to Iran too, with that danger hanging facing them? That would be a very dangerous situation, so why not learn from history and do something about it now? |
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I don't care what anyone's views are - everyone is entitled to express whatever views they want on any topic. Some you may think are totally crazy and others super-intelligent, but, bottom line is it just does not matter unless people are supposed to be acting on your behalf (eg leaders etc). BUT.... one thing I can't stand is hyprocrisy and total dumb idiots. If an individual is at least trying - fine, but listening to crap from the swamp is a total waste of time. Back to the topic - OK, some folks just "need" to believe in something. It's fairly common and covers all spheres of activity from political dogma to various religious leanings to criminals trying to justify their actions. And nearer still to the topic - seriously do not give any credence to an individual who appears to have unconditional respect, admiration and trust for an another individual who has a track record of failure for decades. This may be a political figure being "admired" or a child killer - "admiration" comes in some very weirdo forms. And, only my :2 cents:, - this has nothing to do with anything other than brainwashing or propaganda in action. Some folks will follow a pig if you tell them the pig is honorable, representing your interests, will make you rich or has your "beliefs" - it suits them to believe this, it can fall into their "comfort zone" and they like or "need" to belong to a club/group/class/political organisation. And finally - getting to the point! :) There are some very weirdo "political organisations" around (much the same as religous orgs/sects), who will, (and have), hijack anything seen as "respectable" within a society and claim to represent that "respected" element. They are utter hypocrites and usually will attempt to politicize your grandmother's knitting patterns given the chance. At the same time, they usually have nothing to offer - anyone. Despite that, a brainwashed dumbed-down element of society will actually follow them like sheep in much the same way as has happened with other extremist regimes and weirdo religous cults. It's a sickness and mental imbalance - not anything to do with eg real political issues or religion. "Conservatism" has little to do with (OK.. it's a generalised label), "neocons" - they display only a dose of corrupt managed propaganda and dogma, much the same as communism was sold to the masses. Package it right and some will buy it. |
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Just because a country doesn't believe in, or support the 'west' doesn't make them a terrorist. They could think the same about us coming in to bitch slap all these smaller, less industrious countries and meddle in their affairs constantly. If you were the small fry and had some other countries constantly telling you what you could and could not do, how would you feel? :disgust |
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1) a lunatic gets elected as president and goes on a rampage making insane, inflamatory, insensitive and innapropriate statements for a couple years. 2) he continually finds himself in a position where he has to backtrack and explain himself and try to spin it as the political consequences begin to compound 3) you wake up one day and decide you are tired of being a total idiot 4) you intentionally bait people into an argument you think is easily winnable and even if you fuck it all up, you know that due to the nature of the remarks, many will take your side no matter how dumb you appear to be. 5) you make some moronic remarks 6) being caught making moronic remarks... you panic and find a page on wikipedia that will serve as the entire basis of your argument. furthermore, you ignore the fact that same page goes on to spell out a lot of the other similarly stupid shit he said. 7) you ignore the fact that the info on that page explaining what was said was an explanation presented by his own office. he said what was said, then said what he meant. its not a "transcript" of a conversation. its defininately not some objective translation by a non-profit group of cod fishermen in Iceland who have no interest in spinning it in a positive way as you are trying to pretend. 8) you are already in a corner and forced as well to ignore the fact that most of the developed world strongly conemned his remarks... including allies and general pussies like france. 9) the comical part about you having to ignore the above is that you are then forced to argue that NO ONE (i.e. all countries and heads of state involved) bothered to get to the bottom of what was said BEFORE getting all worked up about it and going on record condemning what was said. 10) now your fucked. you look silly...so you pick on my spelling... and basically find yourself defending a lunatic and his explanation of what was said in spite of the fact that he has an extensive record of saying similar things. 11) so there you are. hurt. alone. confused. not entirely sure how you always end up looking like a moron. "i know i'm not this dumb" you say to yourself. "when i play world of warcraft, my team of 10 year olds really like me... i'm really popular, smart and funny... maybe GFY is the problem" |
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It shows how weak your argument is by just throwing insults and not actually having any argument AT ALL, you can tell who the kids are on this forum, seems throwing random insults is the last line of defense for retards.
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If a world leader is speaking on a world stage and using a language that he knows is unknown to the world, saying shit he knows will be controversial to the world, he's a fucking complete moron. How can anyone not see that.
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By the way, what the hell does neocon have to do with it. Is this about some obscure language or about american politics? blah
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being able to speak urdu is not a sign of intelligence but merely a sign of low breeding. Its like bragging about being able to grunt neanderthal http://www.neanderthal-man.com/neanderthal-man.jpg |
LOL, funny stuff.
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being supported by someone with a brain that will do all the thinking for you is the only way i can imagine you living any kind of decent or somewhat functional life. untangle your high heels from your hoop earings for a second, try to focus on something besides cock, red sports cars and jewlery to think about what you just said.... i dont speak "urdu" means i'm wrong you don't speak "urdu" means you're right haha. are you friends with my wife? seems like i've had this kind of conversation before. and lastly, in your final retreat from reason and logic, you conclude by insisting that this particular language is unusually vulnerable and succeptable to political spin. wow. |
LOL you mention logic when the basis of your argument is throwing insults. Good job.
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Careful not to misinterpret what he said to you!
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Let's go over a few points concerning "wiping Israel off the map." - He believes that Jews should never have been given a state in the Arab world. That it is a great cause of conflict between the east and the west. - He questions why the people of Palestine, who had absolutely noting to do with WW2, lost most of their land to Jews who fled Europe. - His statements that Israel will no longer exist one day are not meant to imply a violent death to Jews, but a belief that Europe or the US will establish a new home for Israel outside of the Arab world. It's very important that Americans do not buy into the media and government spin on his words. Stuff like this is what drums up support for wars that people end up regretting. |
One. Correct me if I am wrong, but the land belonged to the Jews prior to being expelled from their land by Egypt.
Palestine was occupied by the British during WW2, and they told Jews it would be a safe haven for them to flee to from the Germans. Also, to say that Muslims had no part to play in WW2 (or WWI for that matter) you might want to check your history chief. You can start with the Ottoman's in WWI and move your way into WWII and the formation of the Bathe party and their influence by the Nazi's. As well as the movement for a new Arab Union that would have included the middle east, and northern Africa. |
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no justice, no peace. though you are right about the ottomans |
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Right or wrong. That's how it's always been done even further back in time to the different kingdoms. Those who are conquered have no say in the matter. Besides that, if they land belonged to Jews for the however many years prior to the Muslims throwing THEM out, then too fucking bad. We can call it the spoils of war, or sweet justice. On another note, the British offered to make Palestine a two state solution back the the inception of Isreal, but the Arabs wouldn't have it. So that proposal was put on the sidelines. The Arabs wanted to gamble, rolled the dice and they lost. They should have taken the two state solution back then. They then attacked Israel and lost even more of their lands. Which they want back, and Israel is keeping. Again, spoils of war. Don't blame the Jews, and west for all the errors of the Muslims. They dug their own hole siding with the Germans. :2 cents: |
The two state solution offered was a joke, it was like less than a 3rd the size of what they are entitled to.
Anyway first step is for Israel to comply with UN Resolution 1967, withdrawing from gaza and the west bank. |
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Again, the greedy Muslims wanted it their way as a conquered, or occupied nation. Wrong. Silly Muslims. They then attacked Israel and lost more of their land. Which they do not have to give back if they do not want to. Funny how you argue that Israel should give back conquered lands when your Arabs attacked them. But somehow the same Arabs do not think they should have to give back Israel's lands to the Jews since they had been thrown out 700 years prior. How ironic. Don't ya think? |
The fact of the matter is that the Muslim's blind hatred of the Jews and infidels has cost them land, among many other things over the centuries. They were conquered. They sided with the Nazi's not once, but twice. The Ottoman and Persian areas were all redrawn over these wars and time periods.
The Arabs and Muslims can start with taking RESPONSIBILITY for their bad choices and blind hatred for other cultures and nations. Not just the Jews. Then you can talk to me about 'fairness'. |
the jewish population of palestine was around 15%, but atm im talking about AFTER the state of Israel was created - they are still violating the UN resolution of 1967.
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Arabs attacked Israel. Not once. Twice. They lost. Israel gets to keep the land like many before in other wars all over the globe for centuries. It's called the spoils of war. The end. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Resolution_242
What Israel captured, became the state of israel im not denying that, what im denying (and the UN) is the Israeli right to be occupieing the west bank and gaza, which aren't part of the state of israel. |
You realize neo-cons can be either Dems and Reps right?
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Don't attack Israel and lose. Then they will not keep your land. :) |
Yeah ok, You're right and the UN is wrong. :disgust
"Don't attack Israel" lol...the jewish people invaded THEM so they attacked them. it's called LOGIC |
Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction, & Iran certainly don't have any nukes.
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How many Arabs countries in the past, or present are not following UN resolutions? Think about it, and get back to me after your blind raging Jewish hatred hardon passes. :) |
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This happened during the civil war, brought by Arafat. Wake up! |
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