TGP's and free porn?

Hmm. Roger V, is PornKings yours? I just signed up for PornKings about a week ago and was getting ready to start promoting them on Thumbzilla. I did not realize that you apparently consider TGPs to be the enemy. My bad.

Translation: Amway works! Look at all the Amway starter kits I sold this year!

I love the irony of some big-head TGP guy (not saying all are, but Sleazy sure is), calling a guy like Roger who is straight up, intelligent AND runs a big-ass webmaster program, an idiot because he thinks that TGP traffic sucks.

Get a clue Sleazy. Perhaps if you eat the right food, you will acquire one - that seems to have been your strategy so far.

Roger - I support this idea, I think that anything you can do to stem the tide will help even if it isn't 100% effective. I don't think it needs to be 100% effective to work.. It's not like these surfers have a strategic overview of the entire internet.. If every TGP they look at there's no hardcore, most will just assume that there's no hardcore on the net and pony up. There doesn't have to be total coverage.

Cheers,
Backov

How would a hardcore TGP (specializing in cumshots or something) operate? And how can you advertise a hardcore sponsor without hardcore galleries? I used to advertise cumshot sites like Amateur Facials...and using softcore pics will get you 0 sign-ups. Using their free content that shows facials will convert out the ass.

ok I didnt read everything but I get the idea and it wont work that way.

lets see it the way it is:
the major tgp owners have a shitload of traffic on their hands, they got repeat- and repeat- and REPEAT visitors, they trade traffic with other tgps like theirs and they HAVE to follow rules, rules and a few other rules.

oh and of course they dont want to lose their sextracker rank

now if sponsors stopped supporting those "hardcore tgps" the only effect would be dozens of new paysites per day which accept those hardcore tgps.

my solution:
shut all freehosts down on 1/1/2003
remove any free content for programs which dont necessarily need it (for example reality sites with a fixed topic: bangbus, ...)

as stupid as it sounds... kill the newbies and 2003 would be a better year.

kinda offtopics already, sorry

TGP's are a wonderful way to herd traffic. Very few types of businesses have that many customers in one place for samples of a product! If tgp's weren't around people would use Kazaa which is much worse and you would have a harder time controlling it!

I think Boneprone has a great idea in using higher payouts as an incentive to change.

Why on earth would a sponsor care if Person A can't convert TGP traffic? People B,C,D, and E can and they're sending a shitload of sales from TGP traffic.

btw, anyone who runs a sponsor program and thinks this is a great idea...you're free to do it.

If it's such a great idea, why do you *still* accept TGP traffic? No one says you have to.

You can spend your days tracking referring URL's and canning people who send you signups because you don't like their traffic source.

you guys do realize visa and mc will have all your asses on a silver platter if they so choose, right?

QUIET DOWN!

I always sell MONSTER FACIAL GANGBANGS by showing chicks in bikinis drinking trendy bottled water.

Best post on this thread.

100!

Please do not be alarmed. I am merely an overtired poster wandering about the boards aimlessly. I mean you no harm. Just give me food and water and I will be on my way. Thank you for your time.

Actually I have been thinking about getting rid of my TGP...I mean i get like 7k a day to it but hardly any sign ups. It takes a crafty guy to manage a free porn site and get sign ups and I am not hat guy I have figured out!

Aa boneprone and Mark said on first page, quality is the solution.
If you make a pay site with some overused pics, some crap videos and ugly chicks chating, who looks more bored than trying to get you horny, then for sure tgp sites are your enemy, because some of the tgp got better content than tons of paysites. The surfer will pay por quality porn not available at free sites. Why you don't make a revolution of paysite owners about buying great exclusive content, great exclusive videos, hire exclusive models to shoot them (nobody could watch that model unles signing at your site) hire good looking chicks for the videochat and pay them to make ppl horny, some of that chat girls seems realy bored insted of excited. Actualice content everyweek, actualice tour and sign pages designs, etc.
Do you really want to get money forever from a crap site, not actualizing it for ages? I bet big paysites make millions profit, why not to spend a bit more to make them allways fresh insted of buying yourself expensive cars and then bashing the free porn?
Free sites won't ever have live content, exclusive content, etc so your effort must be there, to make quality sites much better than the free sites around. Not any bussines could last forever if you inly want to get profit and don't expend anything to adapt it to new tendencies of the market.

I don't think that free pics that can be also found easily at kazaa, irc, etc really could hurt a big quality paysite, of course you can't try to make profit just selling only some pics that are avalaible for free and even easily than surfing in the mess of crap designed paysites, where is even hard to navigate, or are slow because are hosted on cheap bandwith servers.

Don't be fool guys, the big money on this biz is not made by ustgp/avs/toplists/free sites owners, it's made by paysite owners so they must improve their sites insted of banning ours. If they would spend only a small part of what they earn thanks to us, all the biz would be much more profitable for all us.

Nice to see the king of Lizards Zilla here!
It really does make my day when he wanders in here and makes a post like that!!

hehehehe.

Hey zilla, you should post more here!
We love ya baby!!

Missed ya in Florida!
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I own both TGP's and an affiliate program. I think the problem is lack of knowledge on the part of a typical gallery maker. How many times has a TGP owner seen a sponsor being promoted with the WRONG content. This isn't gonna sell if the galleries are not properly designed. I can see why hosted galleries are becoming popular for this reason.

Secondly I think that the responsibility (if they choose to do so) would be for the sponsorship programs to not accept affiliates that do not promote their "exclusive" content. Nothing forces a sponsor to take a signup that came from a gallery showing pink or no pink. They do so because it makes them money.

The responsibility lies in the sponsor on what they want to accept and not accept. Personally my sites convert well off TGP traffic, maybe it is because I promote them off TGP traffic so that is what I have to go by or maybe I just got lucky.

I agree with the "teasing" of surfers because my galleries have made more money since I have decided to go that route with them, but I think part of the issue is the content the sponsorship programs give out to promote, I am guilty of giving out content that shows to much as well. I think we need to look more at the sponsorship programs and get those working together instead of forcing our main traffic source (at least mine anyway) to change their ways of doing business.

Just my

AJ