I've done alot of Fraud Control over the years for various programs and I can assure you that NOT having the referring URL's on an account that is doing 1:20 is a huge red flag.
The majority of people that I have shitcanned for fraud were trying to hide their URL's. I won't go into some of the sneaky methods that people have used to cheat, but some of them are pretty damn slick and on many accounts it took weeks to track down what they were doing to scam us out of $.

In the majority of cases when asked for referring URL's we would be given a bogus page that was just created that day or some lame excuse why we couldn't look at the URL. Most affiliate programs have wording in their TOS describing how traffic can or can't be sent. Hiding referring URL's is usually a big no-no.

Despite what some people in this thread think, exit consoles show up as a referring URL. You have to actively try to hide your referring URL's 99% of the time when they do not show up from a normal page.

This line from Scorescash TOS http://www.scorescash.com/terms.jsp could be in effect in this case:
7. Scores Cash will pay you for unique visitors that enter our website(s) received from a banner(s)or text links served from your website. A valid click is registered as 1 unique visitor. Tampering will lead to termination, loss of all funds, and very possibly prosecution. Our log files will prevail in determining amount of clicks.

Hope both parties can sort the mess out. These things are almost always either a mistake or someone getting caught breaking rules and getting pissed about not getting paid.

I totally agree
I don't think any sponsor wants to drop a good webmaster if he or she is sending good traffic and conversions.
we all pay to much to get you to try our programs out to begin with.
Most of the time if a webmaster is frauding the system they don't work with the sponsor to clear it up.
If everything is above board there should be no reason to not pay you.

Like Tom Cruise said in Jerry Mcguire
Help me Help you!

or Fuck me Fuck you:winkwink:

Either way I hope this all works out because I send traffic to Scores Cash and they have a good program and sites that convert well.

Just hope it will not convert to well... lol :winkwink:

Fuck 1/20 not bad I'd like to see how you do with us?
have you tried us out yet? shoot over me over a little traffic

very intelligent post. :thumbsup

I believe tara has no time answer me or find a solution for this.

tara
It's a really simple case...you guys need to check the convertion of the trials to monthly signups...if it's good...then he isn't cheating...if a big % of the trials go nowhere...then it's a problem
i had some pretty good ratios with some sponsors...1:30 with pure google traffic...

You gotta love RogerV smart spam :Graucho

Perhaps you missed the part about no referring URL's? An account with no referring URL's will ALWAYS be a suspect acount. Add to that, conversions that seem more like join4free, than paysite conversions, and it's obvious why they're a little suspicious. All they're asking for is an explanation. If he's legit, not a thing to worry about.

I gave her my ref link already, she didn't answer me yeat.

This may be a bit off topic but about a year ago i sent porncash.com about 5-6 signups with about 1:20 somethnig ratio from avs sites..they never paid me said i was cheating them. Those were "free" signups also. They only replied to my first email about 5 emails later withour replies i just figured they were crooks.


BTW i also have used scorecash in the past and have never had problems.

<B>Minimouse:This will be the last time I reply, as to I have other webmasters to attend to as well?</B>


<i>1. We are working with you for 5 month and haven't got 1 check from you (since may 2002).</i>

<B>Answer: Yes, you have been working with us since May, but you have not generated any sales, aside from that one month. Therefore, of course you would not receive any other checks.</B>


<i>2. You discovered this by mistake that you havent sent us even 1 check since than. </i>

<B>Answer: The account was flagged and I was watching the activity, if it?s fine we will send you your check, we don?t keep anyone?s legitimate earnings.</B>

<i>3. We sent you 2 e-mails (you never did respond to the first one) asking about "where are the checks?". </i>

<B>Answer: Yes, you sent me 2 emails, and my response was what you posted on the board. So I obviously did in fact respond.</B>


<i>4. Our traffic comes from AVS members pages (why not 1:20 it's a very good traffic). </i>
Answer: We are not saying that your traffic is no good, we would just like to know where it is coming from so we may verify it.

<i>5. you got the referring URL's by e-mail. </i>

<B>Answer: You did send me a URL by email yesterday, correct, butit was a sample URL which had none of our links in it. Hence, we still can not track the traffic.</B>
<i>6. You didn't send us any notice about fraud activities in june?? </i>

<B>Answer: As I stated earlier the account was flagged and I was monitoring activity.</B>


<i>7. You acused us in fraud without even asking? </i>

<B>Answer: I did not accuse you of anything, I simply asked that you send me a referring URL , this way we can see where this traffic is coming from, before the account is considered fraud. ?Otherwise if I do not receive a response, I will assume this account IS fraud.? That is not accusing you of anything, it is asking you to send me information to validate where the traffic is being sent from.</B>


<i>8. We have another account with that we had 1 sale and we didn't receive payment untill now (Is that fraud also?). </i>

<B>Answer: I do not see any other account , with the same email address. If you would send me the login, I would be more than happy to review that account for you as well.</B>

<i>9. Please send us our money and we will not work with your comany ever again. </i>

<i>10. Gfy</i>


<B>Answer: I appreciate your maturity and business like manner of approaching this situation, that could have been handled by you simply responding to my email rather than wishing me dead. I could understand if it was your last resort, but we are extremely fair and honest at Scorescash, and all you had to do was send me the URL, rather than taking it to an unnecessary level. </B>

Well done Tara. Very professional :)

Simple as this. Show her the URLs from where you were sending them traffic from. URLs with links,you'll get paid and don't use them anymore. Problem solved.

Here:

MAY:
1 sale scorescash.com owe me $35

JULY:
5 sales scorescash.com owe me $175

SEPTEMBER:
2 sale scorescash.com owe me $70 so far.

Which means you have to send me: $280 so far.

I didn't have any notice about this since may.

What kind of URL do you need tara?
I sent you the URL of my member section of an AVS site.
I don't have your link any where else on the web thats the only place you get hits from.

That page is the only refer URL to you program there is no other place I have your link on.

BOTTOM LINE FROM ME: I have never fraud anyone or anything in my whole life.

Hey Tara and william from scorescash.com thank you for helping to solve this issue, I'm sorry if I offended Tara in any way, and I take all my words back.

Scorescash.com is a great company and they have great customer support, I'm sure going to continue working with you guys.


Tara I'm sorry If I offended you in anyway.

your just doing your job :thumbsup


:thumbsup :thumbsup scorescash.com

1:20 with no referrals is a huge red flag.

If you're not doing anything wrong, send them the URL's and get your money.