Never let the man hold you down

oh yeah I forgot the mention.

... Restaurants ... GONE !

fucking idiots. In this day in age you have to think globally, where ever you are born it is an accident.. you have no say over that. You feel superior because you were born on US soil? WHat if you were born in south Africa somewhere and had nothing. Be grateful for what you have and just think for a second sometimes. People in general will always chase the greener grass, isn't that why you run sites and try to make a better life? So are these people, but just because your dumb ass was born on US soil you will paint your face black and blow away everyone that is in your path.. You are an idiot

no, he's not an illegal immigrant. he didn't cross the border 3 days ago looking for work, leeching off the system when and where he can, sending his kids to school that tax dollars of others pay for etc.


there is a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration. the people he is talking about are not legal immigrants. the ONLY people that continually fail to make the distinction between the two is mexicans.

fuck you people. you're not entitled to anything when you cross the border illegally. i mean seriously... if i came to mexico illegally, refused to learn to speak spanish, started demanding rights, free health care, medicine etc etc etc etc... IN SPITE OF BEING THERE ILLEGALLY, you would laugh your fucking ass off and rightfully tell me to get the fuck out of your country.

Yes, enforce our laws!!

How do you know? How does he know? Latinos are hard working people, if they lose their job they will stand on the corner thenext day to try and get another job.

You have no idea if they are legal or illegal, you are assuming, and that shows. And just FYI, i am white as fuck, so I am not a Latino trying to stand up for "my peeps". I just say it how I see it.

Fool - difference is a couple of generations ago they came into this country legally thru Ellis Island and such.

I have no problem with people wanting to come here to better their lives. Just do it legally and learn to speak OUR fucking language. My grandparents came here from Hungary and Germany, and didn't expect everyone to learn to speak german.

I am so sick of my tax dollars being used to teach mexican children to speak english, instead of teaching US kids what they need to know to grow themselves.

As a outsider looking in. the media portrays "the illegals" as crack selling leeches that abuse anything they can get

I like to play devils advocate in any argument because there are usually good points on both sides. But on this one I am going to have to side with Ray on. Lets look at some rational thinking here.

Are most Americans immigrants?
Yes. I know my ancestors were, I am Irish and we were not very well liked back in the day either. But, once all the wars were fought and our Government set up, thats it. These idiots arguing, Well you were an immigrant too, holds no water. How can I or any other nationality who became a legalized citizen within the US by means of our forefathers claim any responsibilty for how our government was set up. It's ridiculous and the scapegoat of the less intelligent.

Did the Mexicans own land in the US?
Yes, they did at one time but not anymore. Also an argument that holds no water. I wont get into arguments about who was here first because whats the point. Nobody can change the past, whats done is done. You might as well be beating a dead horse. We wont be giving that land back, ever. I didn't do it, none of the people in my family did it, right or wrong its just how it came to be.

As far as the Native Americans go, I truly feel for these people. If any race in the US ever got the fucking of a life time it was them. Not even the Africans and African Americans can lay claim to these people's plight. What happened there was nothing short of attempted genocide and is an embarrassing foot note in our history. I use the term foot note because not many people ever talk about it. It is sad but also another argument that holds no water. I havent got a time machine, do you?

Do people have a right to come to our country?
Of course they do, as long as their government allows them to or they are able to get Green Cards or Visas. The big thing these people crying in favor of these illegal immigrants is that there IS A PROPER WAY TO DO THINGS. If they want to be in this country then follow the laws and procedures to become a citizen instead of hiding from INS and sucking up our resources. You wouldn't bring a stranger into your home and allow him to indefinitely invade your way of life or eat all your food or use your stuff as their own, or try to change the language you speak would you? I have no problem whatsoever with Immigrants who want to become a citizen of the US, just do it the right way. If you cant or aren't willing to, well, you just need to go back to your own country.

The last thing that really burns my ass, is almost every store I go into now all I hear is Spanish announcements and very few English. This is fucking bullshit. I dont mind them but when they dominate English there is a big problem and it leads right back to the illegal immigrant situation. If I ever moved to another country I sure as fuck wouldn't expect them to cater to my language needs, I am going to learn the language to fit into their country not try to fucking change it. It is ludicrious! I think it shows a lack of respect to the country your trying to make a home out of.

Does that mean I think other nationalities should speak only english? Of course not, but at least fucking learn it so when I go into my neighborhood store, I, the one who fucking lives here, knows what is being said or offered let alone trying to make a purchase with someone who cant friggin understand me. And please spare me the arguments of, "Then learn Spanish" because it only shows your lack of intelligence. I dont need to, I am an American US Citizen, we speak ENGLISH.

People seem to forget all the taxes and social security they pay in and never benefit from or if they get hurt on the job its fuck you no workers comp.
http://www.reason.org/commentaries/d...20060501.shtml

They keep hiring illegals ( lets call them by the right name, not immigrants) because they don't have to pay them a living wage and don't have to pay for insurance. It has nothing to do with americans being lazy you stupid fuck.

I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about economics being from mexico.

We bought a really nice Washer and Dryer from LOWES.

Top notch place right. We paid extra $$$ to get the shit delivered and installed.

Who showed up?

A raggedy truck with two Mexicans in it that speaka no engwish. They did a piss shit job and why not. They were probably paid $2.50/hr but I expected some fucking professionals from LOWES ... what a shit hole. The other shit we bought from them fell apart 2 days after the warranty ran out ( made in China ) ...

So ... who's fault was it. The place that hired these guys are the people that needed a job ? A Government that turns their head the other direction on immigration laws or the poor fucker trying to feed his family?

its all fucked ...

I say make those fences electric..bastards try to cross..zap the mother fuckers..don't fuck around

Lets cut the bullshit, Mexicans are wanted here, you know why? Because if they weren't wanted here no one would be willing to hire them, and with no one willing to hire them, they would have no choice but to leave...

Everyone is bitching and whinning, but at end of the day, it's all about the $$$... cut off the $$$ (stop hiring them), and they will be gone in no time...

My great grand father jumped ship to live in america illegally.He was cook on a ship that came to america. My wifes great grand parents are german too,they were married in america.Their marriage license is in german. Also people didnt run to learn english thats why they lived in neighborhoods and it was all their own.Its the same old song.
I have a few friends who are doing it legally and it is such an expensive circle fuck you have no idea.

I can remember back in the 70's and 80's the guys building the houses in the neighborhood were are your white males for the most part. They used to be decent paying jobs for kids with a high school education.

I dare you to try and find one white guy on a construction site that is white except the owner or the foreman.

I have a friend that is going thru citizenship and has been for over 6 years. He is from england and a self made man. Needs no help from anyone, just wants to be an american. Why should some fucking mexican that crossed the border with his 15 family members and kids who don't speak any english get a free ride. fuck that. Get in line and do it the right way.

Your right,its very sad and thats why the middle class is disappearing.

Its not the mexican's fault, he is looking for better. Its the american companies that encourage them to come here so they can pay them shit wages to do shit jobs.Also poor mexicans couldnt afford to go thru the process legally.

I think we could stop it easily.

First arrest a couple of high profile ceo's of companies hiring illegals and prosecute them and throw their asses in jail.

Second have a couple of snipers nail about a dozen crossing the ol rio grande and let them lay there and rot.

I think the message would get across very fast.


ps I am a big time liberal too.

Oh I see why you talk only shit, from your profile:
Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠
LOL

So what? 10 years ago any idiot could make millions peddling porn online, now it's not as easy anymore... times change, winners adapt, losers bitch and whine...

I agree that it's not the mexicans fault, but I don't give a fuck if they can't afford to go thru the process. I don't think it should be cheap or easy to get into the greatest country on the planet.

Maybe if they would get off their asses and make their own fucking country better than the pile of shit that it is, they wouldn't need to come here. Talk about lazy fucks, clean up your own yard before you dump your garbage in mine.

Exactly it really

disappearing ?
they're gone !!!!:thumbsup

I think they would love for this place to be Mexico. A very very wide gap between the rich and poor. The wider the better. The middle just gets in the way

It's called sarcasim Paco

I agree to a point. The laws are now made to favor large corps to only get bigger. They run everything now and just need slave labour. Look at how many family farms there are now. Family farms used to hire good workers and kept them for years. Now corporate farms just care about the bottom line and not quality. Look at all the fucking recalls of food products.

Not everyone has the god given gifts to adapt, that sounds nice. But some poor guy in his 50's and his factory job is outsourced he is in a world of shit. Also not everyone has the brains to go to college.They work with their hands, their honest and work hard.Adapt doesnt work for alot of those people.

Blow those terrorists away before they cause damage is the only answer

sarcasim? I don't know that word Charley, Did you mean sarcasm ?

Not exactly the principles this country was founded on.

There are many people trying to make Mexico a better place. Unfortunately change does not happen overnight and when you're hungry your concerns are more immediate than the future of a country.

I find this thread funny. Good read, much better then the tv.

Good post. My father worked for a company 30 plus years. The management ran the company into the ground after the founder died. Huge layoffs and he was in his 60's and had to go to school for training, then couldn't get a job because he was a white male.

I didn't use the American spell check

So it's my fault that their country can't get it's shit together? What would happen if we just opened our borders you ignorant fool? How do you think all the extra infrastructure would be payed for?

Your posts are comical at best, and idiotic at worst.

They don't expect us to learn Spanish and English isn't "our" language. America doesn't have an official language. Many states have already printed documents in Spanish and other Languages. The speed limit signs in S. Az are in Km, but the entire country should be that way.

Schools aren't fucked up because of Mexicans having to learn English. That isn't even logical.

And most construction jobs are based on skill. You can go to many number of job sites and find White workers, you can find workers of every color, age and country, even women. The people who built our house, the cabinet guys were German, hell the Carpet guy was a big fat smelly white guy. Many weren't Mexican and I live in Arizona.

I'm sure some Illegal Mexicans in some parts of the country make it hard for other people trying to work those same jobs. Just like some companies take advantage of that, instead of an illegal doing some bs job, they hire a few 100 so they can save a few million. The problem isn't illegals, it's the greedy ceo's who drop any honest working staff and exploit illegals of all nationalities.

No it is not your fault that "their" country doesn't have it's shit together. However it is your "luck" that your ass was born on US soil. Does that make you superior to them?

Do they want to be illegal? I bet you 99.9% want to be legal and they would pay taxes just like you, so the infrastructure could be paid for, and guess who will be building this infrastructure you are talking about.

Thirty plus years working for the same company and he's still on the shop floor bitching about management? Your father is a loser. My guess you formed your opinions listening to him blame others for his own failure to better himself.

If you can't adapt, then tough shit, it's just Darwin at work, "survival of the fittest" worked for millions of years, why would it be different now?

So what is our language then..chinese? What a stupid fucking post.

Let's say you have 10 kids in a class and 3 don't speak english. They have to spend a hour a day trying to teach these 3 kids english. Is it fair to the other 7 kids who are english speaking americans, whose parents are paying the taxes for the school in the first place, to have to sit for 5 hours a week doing nothing so that some illegals kids can learn to speak english as a second language?

Is that a little more logical for your small brain, or do I need to show you in crayon?

So I hired this cleaning service, cost $200-$300 to clean our house. A few ladies show up, 4 hours later it's done. This is what the average "white" house cleaner chargers.

Then I hired a Mexican, since my 3 year old goes to public pre-school, he can speak Spanish, so he talks to her for me. The nice Mexican lady charges $70, cleans the entire house in 2 hours, and does it 100000000 times better.

Should I ask if she is an illegal?

Darwin didn't kill the unions and create corporate loopholes to make it easier to outsource jobs. That would be republicans.

The United States has never declared an official Language. In most countries you have to know the language to become a citizen, not here. You should really learn how your own country works, you just lost Mexican community points.

WOA! didn't you read that spanky charley boy? LOL

huh? who the fuck stands on a corner to get a job? do you? does your mom? you want to know who???? let me help you... illegal, undocumented people. thats who. they are on street corners, under overpasses, outside places like Home Depot etc.


who the fuck cares about "immigrants"? there are no problems with "immigrants" in the US. does the average person give a shit if a doctor from Sweden wants to live in L.A.?

the hotly debated issues are surrounding illegal immigrants and ILLEGAL MEXICANS... not "immigrants"

let me give you another life tip... the guy with the sign that says "will work for food" isn't actually looking for a job and doesn't actually have any intention of working for food.

Yes it is my good fortune that my grandparents made the horrible journey across the ocean in the steerage compartment of a ship. Then travelled across the country to make a home for themselves after working their asses off in the fields/ Of course they did it all legally too.

I will happily give away your citizenship to one lucky mexican, since you seem to love them so much.

Like I said before. I have no problem with anyone coming here to better themselves, just do it legally and adapt to our language.

Balloons of smack in the mouth?

You can lick my nutsack. My father invested his money and bought a ton of real estate. He has more money in his everyday checking account than you make in a year. Didn't bitch a day in his life, or complain about management. I was the one seeing the bs he went thru.

Next time you are in town stop by his 1.5 mil house and he can show you how a working stiff can make something of himself.

My bet is you don't have a clue about work or investing.

uhmm yeah. thats like saying "germany has never declared an official language" or iceland.

does a country need to declare an official language when OBVIOUSLY there IS an official language? does not declaring an official language confuse you? do you still have questions about the issue? are you seeing japanese road signs somewhere? did you catch yourself trying to translate kentucky state laws from finnish to english so you could understand them? were you in a public building trying to figure out where the bathrooms were because everything was written in mandarine chinese?

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