I don't recall saying anything about genocide.

The purpose of the UN weapon inspection agency is to examine possible sites where weapons of mass destruction are being created. Just because oil king Bush and his butt buddy Blair say Iraq has weapons of mass destruction does not make it so.

And who gave Iraq biological and chemical weapons. that were used on Iraqi civilians and other groups?

Bush has to go with the inspectors, he has no right to demand the change of goverment in another country. If he got that what would he ask for next?

The inspectors go in with fine tooth combs, with the US troops siting in waiting for the day they find something or get thrown out.

If you guys are so worried about the road to Baghdad, you should read about the road to Munich.
Little history:
The 1919 treaty of Versailles established Rhineland as demilitarized buffer zone between Germany and France. When Hitler reoccupied it in 1936, it was violation of that treaty. Hitler gambled his european pussy neighbours had no appetite for fighting. He was lucky. Europe's leaders allowed Hitler the Rhineland, Austria and finally in Munich Czechoslovakia. Their reward for being unwilling to fight lightly armed enemy in 1936 was that they would fight a well armed one in 1939. Europe will never learn.

Pleasurepays hit it right on the nose! Arms inspectors are only one of the problems with Iraq. When Iraq surrendered after being defeated in the Gulf War the "no fly zones" were put into place, and US and UK jets partol these two areas.


This is very similar to the demilitarized buffer zone in the Rhineland as during the 30's.

Now Iraq feels they can shoot at US and UK planes on patrol in these two areas. It's pretty simple - the US and UK are patroling an area set up by the UN, and Iraq is shooting missles at the planes patroling this area. That in itself is grounds for an attack.

i admire the fact that you think a hug and a kiss can cure all evils and make the pain go away. you can make all the baseless and deflective arguements you want and it does not change the core facts.

You have serious problems interpreting text.
First the genocide issue, which I did not mention at all and now you come up with the phrase: "kiss can cure all evils.....", which are certainly NOT my words.

Is someone else talking to you at the moment?

ControlThy gave those weapons to Saddam

Give me a fucking break...same shit they've been saying for well over 10 years now...as soon as the feel there is no longer a threat of invasion they'll pull the same shit they always do.

Start limiting access to certain areas and eventually kick the inspectors out.

It's amazing people fall for this shit...we've given him too many chances.

I don't care what it's for...oil...terrorism...or manifest destiny...let's kick their sorry asses...and oh...don't give me this shit about that creating an unstable region.

The fucking middle east is about as stable as any of your prior relationships.

Who gave Saddam weapons?

France provided Saddam with extended-range Super Etendard aircraft
capable of hitting Iranian oil facilities in the lower Gulf.

While Britain's Margaret Thatcher mouthed platitudes about not
supplying either Iran or Iraq with lethal weapons, Britain's Plessey
Electronics supplied Saddam with an electronic command center.

Iraq was also able to buy French-built Mirage-1 aircraft and Gazelle
and Lynx helicopters from the British company Westland.

In 1976, while on a visit to France, Saddam concluded the purchase
of a uranium reactor. Jacques Chirac, then the Prime Minister and now the
President, approved the deal. The supplier was Commissart à l'Energie
Atomique (CEA) and the plutonium reactor was called Rhapsodie. France also
signed a Nuclear Cooperation Treaty with France, providing for the transfer
of expertise and personnel.

In 1978, the Italian firm Snia Technit, a subsidiary of Fiat, signed
an agreement with Iraq to sell nuclear laboratories and equipment.

Europe's pusillanimous response to the prospect of renewed military action against Iraq is actually easy to understand. Visit any "NATO capital" and you'll find a place overrun with refugees from former colonies, pervasive political, economic, and spiritual exhaustion, government beset by internal EU bickering, and fragile left-of-center political coalitions agreeing on little other than curbing U.S. influence.

Euro-business leaders are afraid of losing their exclusive "Axis of Evil" cookie jar where they operate sans American economic competition. "Nobody in Germany or Continental Europe agrees with Bush," Holger Friedrich, a fund manager for Frankfurt-based Union Investment GmbH, said recently, as his firm purchased Iranian bonds that will fund the radical Islamic theocracy in Tehran. Britain's Aberdeen Asset Management Trust has invested in Iraqi and North Korean debt. "It's toxic stuff," admits Colm McDonagh, an Aberdeen fund manager, "but when it moves, it really moves."

In 1997, Total SA, a French oil company with permanent suites at the Al-Rasheed Hotel in Baghdad, struck a $2 billion natural gas contract with Iran. On the occasion, then-Premier Lionel Jospin applauded this triumph of French enterprise. "American laws apply in the United States," he sneered. "They do not apply in France."

The timorous grandchildren of those who tried to appease Hitler have other worries. They do not savor the prospect of U.S. intelligence teams roaming at will through the records of Saddam's WMD - weapons of mass destruction - factories and exposing Europe's complicity in building these arsenals. After the first Gulf War, Kenneth Timmerman chronicled in The Death Lobby Saddam's success in gaining the help of foreign corporations and governments in building his storehouse of ABCs - atomic, biological, and chemical weapons.

Little has changed. French engineers helped build the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, which the Israelis destroyed in 1981. To this day, the French hold $4 billion in unpaid Iraqi debts. German firms specialized in providing poison gas and missile technology. W. Seth Carus, a senior research professor at the National Defense University, noted a decade ago, "Everything that showed up in Iraq - chemical, biological, nuclear - had a German element in it." And Saddam's "Supergun," the long-range, nuclear-capable cannon that was almost operational during the Gulf War, was produced by companies from seven different European countries.

you question the motives while ignoring the facts. i admire that people dont want to fight, kill or cause harm to others BUT that is what makes the people who do stronger.

who gave biological weapons to him???

WHO GIVES A FUCK?

who gave him this, that and the other thing??

WHO GIVES A FUCK?

the real issue is what he is doing with those things today.
the issue is his defiance and his intent.
the issue is his track record.
the issue is the threat he represents to the world.
the issue is his open non-compliance with international law.

the issue is today. not what was relevant during the Iran/Iraq war. or any other point in time 15-20-30-50-100 years ago.

the issue is Saddam Hussein TODAY.

Drew likes to cut and paste.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_2255.shtml

Drew,

Why do you copy complete text sections from sites?
You could try using your own words?

I hope you Americans do not go in, you don't need to anyway. One squad of intelligent dedicated men could go in and take Sadam out. But, as some wise person commented "power vacum".
Sometimes the devil you know is the better one.

I think that America is going to war because it stimulates the economy and right now the whole world is on the edge of a rollar coster going down. This war creates jods, sends oil prices upwards and gives people something else to think about, instead of the spiralling stock market.

To the people on this thread that said bomb them have obviously never seen the destruction a bomb creates. A bomb does not care if you are a child or a terrorist. It will kill you anyway or tear your limbs off, leaving you to die of bloodloss and shock.

A war is not some movie you watch on TV, that you can switch off and go to your safe warm bed. When you go to war, you leave yourselves open to the same distruction and fear that you have inflicted on other.

When that terrorist dumps a load of chemicals into your water supply, and people start to die. Don't you think that a diplomatic solution would have been better?

We are living in the 21st century, we call ourselves civilised and yet here we go again into another war. Humans it seems never learn. Let Bush take Sadam on face to face. I would watch that on TV!

:BangBang: :boid

I was watching an interview with the former president of Iran & he was saying how the sneaky sonofabitch has got underground tunnels in all of his homes, tunnels that lead to even deeper tunnels that lead to more tunnels yadda yadda yadda, so if they wanted to find him it would be next to impossible without turning most of Iraq into a smoking crater. Not that that would neccessarily be a BAD thing if they plan on attacking the United States or Canada, which we all know goddamn well that they want to...

stealthy,.... shhhh...

i think the German - mr pink is about to tell us how diplomacy would have stopped Hitler.

:Kissmy

Saddam would kick Bush's butt

Whatever else Saddam may be, he's one tough motherfucker. You wouldn't last a week in Iraqi politics if you're not ...