I don't believe CCBill and/or Epoch will do anything about Zango - GoFuckYourself.com

DamageX · 10-09-2007, 12:50 PM

Nor do I believe that they will do more than give offenders a public slap on the wrist, to uphold appearances.

Why is that you say? Simple, because they have pretty much nothing to lose, at this point, if the spyware keeps jacking their joinpage traffic, as long as it goes to another paysite that processes with them.

As for the affiliates bitching, I think that's pretty much all they can do at this point. Even if sponsors would want to drop either of them as processors, who are they going to go with? Verotel is reputed for being less than reliable and has close to zero affiliate interface. SegPay are only some former iBill employees. Netbilling is not an option for 90% of the sponsors since they will be turned away quite promptly, unless they do enough volume. Own merchant account is also out of the question, unless you do volume.

The worst that can happen is that sponsors keep bouncing them between primary and secondary biller, not much else I can see happening at this point. In fact, I'd say the one of them that goes public about refusing to do business with crooks will stand to lose much more than they'd stand to gain, at least short-term, bacause all the crooks will flock to their competition.

Now let's just pray that someone actually codes some crap that will hijack signup page traffic and sends it to other billers, otherwise I seriously don't see any action against this, from either CCBill or Epoch, any time soon.

jscott · 10-09-2007, 01:17 PM

I hope you are wrong man

DamageX · 10-09-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott

I hope you are wrong man

So do I, to be honest. But take a step back and look at the big picture, these two processors stand to lose money directly only if the traffic hijacked from the joinpages is sent to a processor other than themselves.

celebnudevideo · 10-09-2007, 01:24 PM

Sadly most merchant processors have no ethics whatsoever, it is a tough and ugly business base mostly on stealing innocent webmaster's money

Mutt · 10-09-2007, 01:31 PM

QuickBuck is not processed by CCBILL or Paycom - there are many programs that do their own processing so your point is pure conjecture - it is in CCBILL and Paycom's interest to stop Zango targeting their join pages.

you may be right if Zango was only popping up programs processed by CCBILL or Paycom but that's not the case so all you are doing is speculating that CCBILL and Paycom would sell their clients down the river. which really isn't fair - what evidence do you have to base that opinion on?

»Rob Content« · 10-09-2007, 01:51 PM

Everyone

I am here to confirm that we have been in contact with Zango's Attorneys today regarding the abuse of CCbill's Trademark. It is our understanding that CCbill has been placed on a "Blacklist" and no other webmaster will ever be able to purchase traffic related to the CCbill.com domain. If anyone can still see our Trademark being violated by Zango please let us know as soon as possible.

Ron Cadwell
CEO

12clicks · 10-09-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

So do I, to be honest. But take a step back and look at the big picture, these two processors stand to lose money directly only if the traffic hijacked from the joinpages is sent to a processor other than themselves.

dear idiot, the traffic was sent to other processors.
i know you like to hear yourself chirp but really, stck to the "would you hit it" threads.

NETbilling · 10-09-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by celebnudevideo

Sadly most merchant processors have no ethics whatsoever, it is a tough and ugly business base mostly on stealing innocent webmaster's money

You are wrong about processors.

Mitch

celebnudevideo · 10-10-2007, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

You are wrong about processors.

Mitch

I did say "MOST" not all

i have like 8 processors each of them stole my money and owe me like 2K each that i never got back.

Maybe Netbilling is not one of those, but thanks to all the processors stopping my growth, i cannot go with netbilling cause my volume never grew

never mind, we have our own merchant account now so screw all the the thieves in this processing business, i do not need them anymore.

Again, i did say most, and for what its worth, i never made any business with Netbilling

Paul Markham · 10-10-2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

You are wrong about processors.

Mitch

I think the record of processors over all shows the truth.

webmasterchecks · 10-10-2007, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I think the record of processors over all shows the truth.

most of the shadyness got wiped out over time, as an result of the shadyness

mitch is referring to right now

12clicks · 10-10-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I think the record of processors over all shows the truth.

CCbill and Epoch have been the class of third party billing for by my estimation the last 7 years or so (if not longer).
Its no one's fault but your own if you went with someone else during that time to save half a percent on fees.
(to say nothing for the guy who's been thru 8 processors)

NETbilling · 10-10-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by celebnudevideo

I did say "MOST" not all

i have like 8 processors each of them stole my money and owe me like 2K each that i never got back.

Maybe Netbilling is not one of those, but thanks to all the processors stopping my growth, i cannot go with netbilling cause my volume never grew

never mind, we have our own merchant account now so screw all the the thieves in this processing business, i do not need them anymore.

Again, i did say most, and for what its worth, i never made any business with Netbilling

99% of the time, it was the banks or Visa that shut down the 3rd party processors that have gone under. Most of them started with good intentions and many had a great business until things went wrong at the bank.

This is the sole reason that we stayed away from beocming an IPSP (3rd party processor). Our merchant love the fact that we are solid, do not take risk on the merchant account, and give merchants the flexibility to manage their accounts as they see fit.

Mitch

Brad Mitchell · 10-10-2007, 10:50 AM

I think your view on CCBill and Epoch is extraordinarily narrow. I think it's nonsense to try to lump processors together, especially since we're really just talking about the last companies standing. Their individual histories of doing right by our community are overwhelming. So what if a dozen other companies screwed the pooch and aren't in business anymore - and if there are a few more that are just like the ones that went away... with their clocks ticking. CCBill and Epoch have far too much to lose by not being proactive for the better of our community. Besides this, they've both published a statement in the last week (Rand from Epoch today) advising us of what their efforts have been and they're not small. It's an excellent start to addressing the issue. If they can succeed on the Zango front I bet anyone willing to lawyer up can as well.

Brad

celebnudevideo · 10-10-2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

CCbill and Epoch have been the class of third party billing for by my estimation the last 7 years or so (if not longer).
Its no one's fault but your own if you went with someone else during that time to save half a percent on fees.
(to say nothing for the guy who's been thru 8 processors)

You are not totally correct here, it was not my fault that i am from a country that CCBILL or Epoch won't accept webmasters from, i cannot even signup for CCBILL affiliate

i'd have loved to go with CCBILL for 30% not 15%,..stable processing is everything

but i am left with all the crappy shady ones cause of my origin

, so technically it is not my fault, i am just out of luck !

celebnudevideo · 10-10-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetBilling

99% of the time, it was the banks or Visa that shut down the 3rd party processors that have gone under. Most of them started with good intentions and many had a great business until things went wrong at the bank.

This is the sole reason that we stayed away from beocming an IPSP (3rd party processor). Our merchant love the fact that we are solid, do not take risk on the merchant account, and give merchants the flexibility to manage their accounts as they see fit.

Mitch

but when things get wrong at the bank, they keep processing ! and all in all, most of the processors are thieves
i am not afraid to say that 6-7 months ago i got dumped by Segpay with no valid reasons at all, and wrongfully cause segpay is run by idiots, which i knew before i went with them, but had to, cause like i said, my options are,were limited, and now even i still use them as tertiary processor even, anyways,

i got dumped by them, and my account was terminated, and being the thieves they are or the incompetent they are, they still until this day REBILL my old members that no longer have access, and when the users realise that and email them, they tell the users to email me asking about their access !

the guys terminate my account and 6 months later i find out they're still billing my old users for their own enjoyment, now i am not getting this money in my bank. Who is ?!!

celebnudevideo · 10-10-2007, 05:43 PM

And segpay owes me in cash like $5,000 from my last account
and so does OPS owes me around the same when it went under with Dan Ahearn who promised to pay me back but never did, for over 3 years now, this 3rd party business is a joke, they might as well wear stripes to work everyday

webmasterchecks · 10-10-2007, 05:49 PM

besides, what can they do about it? im sure its harder than one thinks. unless its not cut and dry, (and the spyware companies make sure its not cut and dry), its a long legal costly battle (1.5 mill min.) and for what? something thats gone now anyway

NETbilling · 10-10-2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

CCbill and Epoch have been the class of third party billing for by my estimation the last 7 years or so (if not longer).
Its no one's fault but your own if you went with someone else during that time to save half a percent on fees.
(to say nothing for the guy who's been thru 8 processors)

We are happy to have you as a NETbilling client as well.

Mitch

SwirlsGirl · 12-06-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NETbilling

You are wrong about processors.

Mitch

No he is 100% correct....would you be interested in me laying out the testimonies of 100's of small biz merchants like myself??

Bladewire · 12-06-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

....would you be interested in me laying out the testimonies of 100's of small biz merchants like myself??

You have no porn site, are you some other kind of merchant using CCBill?

ArsewithClass · 12-06-2011, 08:16 PM

Isn't it down to the program not the billing company if zango is found on the server & the join page?

SwirlsGirl · 12-06-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit

You have no porn site, are you some other kind of merchant using CCBill?

I am glad you posted that, and I am hardly ashamed I am illustrating what happens when you trust gfy crooks with your money, you can be out of biz like that...

go ahead newbies, listen to these people at your own risk, these times are far more desperate than you will ever know on gfy...

I spent almost 3 hours at my bank today trying to work out an issue, and there was a line of about 15 people, all with the look of frustration in their eyes, and look like they were one step away from hurting someone.... n a sad perverted way I enjoyed seeing people filling up the bank because I know its not just me....

the desperation is obvious and its not getting better its getting worse....the banks cannot keep looking people in the eye and getting them to accept that 1.50 purchase of coffee and a $5.00 purchase for cigarretes can amount to your bank account being minus -$105.00

uno · 12-06-2011, 08:18 PM

I can't believe this nutbag chick is still here and babbling about every biller there is.

bean-aid · 12-06-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

I am glad you posted that, and I am hardly ashamed I am illustrating what happens when you trust gfy crooks with your money, you can be out of biz like that...

go ahead newbies, listen to these people at your own risk, these times are far more desperate than you will ever know on gfy...

I spent almost 3 hours at my bank today trying to work out an issue, and there was a line of about 15 people, all with the look of frustration in their eyes, and look like they were one step away from hurting someone.... n a sad perverted way I enjoyed seeing people filling up the bank because I know its not just me....

the desperation is obvious and its not getting better its getting worse....the banks cannot keep looking people in the eye and getting them to accept that 1.50 purchase of coffee and a $5.00 purchase for cigarretes can amount to your bank account being minus -$105.00

You must be kidding me?

Do you have your site backed up? Jesus, totally ridiculous.

I will get your site back online... we talked before. I want a cut, and I want to redo your design professionally.

Deal??

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email: mjmj00 atht the aol

Barefootsies · 12-06-2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

I can't believe this nutbag chick is still here and babbling about every biller there is.

Believe it.

uno · 12-06-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Isn't it down to the program not the billing company if zango is found on the server & the join page?

linkhotten

ArsewithClass · 12-06-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

linkhotten

My bad for not understanding what ccbill would have to do with a zango redirect on a join form?

Excuse my ignorance, I'm a program owner & keep an eye on our billing company, join forms & any problems that have never occured

I would have hoped for a sensible answer considering I would like to keep my sites running well for my affiliates

BIGTYMER · 12-06-2011, 09:06 PM

What does the bank have to do with your site being down Swirls?

uno · 12-06-2011, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

My bad for not understanding what ccbill would have to do with a zango redirect on a join form?

Excuse my ignorance, I'm a program owner & keep an eye on our billing company, join forms & any problems that have never occured

I would have hoped for a sensible answer considering I would like to keep my sites running well for my affiliates

linkhottenx2

EukerVoorn · 12-06-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by celebnudevideo

You are not totally correct here, it was not my fault that i am from a country that CCBILL or Epoch won't accept webmasters from, i cannot even signup for CCBILL affiliate

i'd have loved to go with CCBILL for 30% not 15%,..stable processing is everything

but i am left with all the crappy shady ones cause of my origin

, so technically it is not my fault, i am just out of luck !

You need to network. Find someone in a white listed country and setup an account through that person. Spread your risks, don't try to do everything alone and try to trust other people. They can screw you only once. Also setup alternative payments, stop thinking that you need Visa and MasterCard. Offer Direct Debit, cash, phone and bank transfer payment.

Supz · 12-06-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

You need to network. Find someone in a white listed country and setup an account through that person. Spread your risks, don't try to do everything alone and try to trust other people. They can screw you only once. Also setup alternative payments, stop thinking that you need Visa and MasterCard. Offer Direct Debit, cash, phone and bank transfer payment.

This is from 4 years ago

10-09-2007, 12:50 PM	#1
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	I don't believe CCBill and/or Epoch will do anything about Zango Nor do I believe that they will do more than give offenders a public slap on the wrist, to uphold appearances. Why is that you say? Simple, because they have pretty much nothing to lose, at this point, if the spyware keeps jacking their joinpage traffic, as long as it goes to another paysite that processes with them. As for the affiliates bitching, I think that's pretty much all they can do at this point. Even if sponsors would want to drop either of them as processors, who are they going to go with? Verotel is reputed for being less than reliable and has close to zero affiliate interface. SegPay are only some former iBill employees. Netbilling is not an option for 90% of the sponsors since they will be turned away quite promptly, unless they do enough volume. Own merchant account is also out of the question, unless you do volume. The worst that can happen is that sponsors keep bouncing them between primary and secondary biller, not much else I can see happening at this point. In fact, I'd say the one of them that goes public about refusing to do business with crooks will stand to lose much more than they'd stand to gain, at least short-term, bacause all the crooks will flock to their competition. Now let's just pray that someone actually codes some crap that will hijack signup page traffic and sends it to other billers, otherwise I seriously don't see any action against this, from either CCBill or Epoch, any time soon. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

10-09-2007, 01:31 PM	#5
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	QuickBuck is not processed by CCBILL or Paycom - there are many programs that do their own processing so your point is pure conjecture - it is in CCBILL and Paycom's interest to stop Zango targeting their join pages. you may be right if Zango was only popping up programs processed by CCBILL or Paycom but that's not the case so all you are doing is speculating that CCBILL and Paycom would sell their clients down the river. which really isn't fair - what evidence do you have to base that opinion on? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-09-2007, 01:51 PM	#6
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	Everyone I am here to confirm that we have been in contact with Zango's Attorneys today regarding the abuse of CCbill's Trademark. It is our understanding that CCbill has been placed on a "Blacklist" and no other webmaster will ever be able to purchase traffic related to the CCbill.com domain. If anyone can still see our Trademark being violated by Zango please let us know as soon as possible. Ron Cadwell CEO __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

10-10-2007, 10:50 AM	#14
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I think your view on CCBill and Epoch is extraordinarily narrow. I think it's nonsense to try to lump processors together, especially since we're really just talking about the last companies standing. Their individual histories of doing right by our community are overwhelming. So what if a dozen other companies screwed the pooch and aren't in business anymore - and if there are a few more that are just like the ones that went away... with their clocks ticking. CCBill and Epoch have far too much to lose by not being proactive for the better of our community. Besides this, they've both published a statement in the last week (Rand from Epoch today) advising us of what their efforts have been and they're not small. It's an excellent start to addressing the issue. If they can succeed on the Zango front I bet anyone willing to lawyer up can as well. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

10-10-2007, 05:49 PM	#18
webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	besides, what can they do about it? im sure its harder than one thinks. unless its not cut and dry, (and the spyware companies make sure its not cut and dry), its a long legal costly battle (1.5 mill min.) and for what? something thats gone now anyway __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

10-09-2007, 01:17 PM	#2
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	I hope you are wrong man

10-09-2007, 01:24 PM	#4
celebnudevideo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pussy Land Posts: 168	Sadly most merchant processors have no ethics whatsoever, it is a tough and ugly business base mostly on stealing innocent webmaster's money

10-10-2007, 05:43 PM	#17
celebnudevideo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pussy Land Posts: 168	And segpay owes me in cash like $5,000 from my last account and so does OPS owes me around the same when it went under with Dan Ahearn who promised to pay me back but never did, for over 3 years now, this 3rd party business is a joke, they might as well wear stripes to work everyday

12-06-2011, 08:16 PM	#22
ArsewithClass So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 7,957	Isn't it down to the program not the billing company if zango is found on the server & the join page?

12-06-2011, 08:18 PM	#24
uno RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC Area Posts: 18,450	I can't believe this nutbag chick is still here and babbling about every biller there is. __________________ -uno icq: 111-914 CrazyBabe.com - porn art MojoHost - For all your hosting needs, present and future. Tell them I sent ya!

12-06-2011, 09:06 PM	#29
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	What does the bank have to do with your site being down Swirls?