I don't believe CCBill and/or Epoch will do anything about Zango

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  • DamageX
    Marketing & Strategy
    • Jun 2001
    • 14293

    #1

    I don't believe CCBill and/or Epoch will do anything about Zango

    Nor do I believe that they will do more than give offenders a public slap on the wrist, to uphold appearances.

    Why is that you say? Simple, because they have pretty much nothing to lose, at this point, if the spyware keeps jacking their joinpage traffic, as long as it goes to another paysite that processes with them.

    As for the affiliates bitching, I think that's pretty much all they can do at this point. Even if sponsors would want to drop either of them as processors, who are they going to go with? Verotel is reputed for being less than reliable and has close to zero affiliate interface. SegPay are only some former iBill employees. Netbilling is not an option for 90% of the sponsors since they will be turned away quite promptly, unless they do enough volume. Own merchant account is also out of the question, unless you do volume.

    The worst that can happen is that sponsors keep bouncing them between primary and secondary biller, not much else I can see happening at this point. In fact, I'd say the one of them that goes public about refusing to do business with crooks will stand to lose much more than they'd stand to gain, at least short-term, bacause all the crooks will flock to their competition.

    Now let's just pray that someone actually codes some crap that will hijack signup page traffic and sends it to other billers, otherwise I seriously don't see any action against this, from either CCBill or Epoch, any time soon.
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  • jscott
    jscizzle
    • Feb 2001
    • 25411

    #2
    I hope you are wrong man
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    • DamageX
      Marketing & Strategy
      • Jun 2001
      • 14293

      #3
      Originally posted by jscott
      I hope you are wrong man
      So do I, to be honest. But take a step back and look at the big picture, these two processors stand to lose money directly only if the traffic hijacked from the joinpages is sent to a processor other than themselves.
      Whitehat is for chumps

      If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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      • celebnudevideo
        Confirmed User
        • Sep 2007
        • 168

        #4
        Sadly most merchant processors have no ethics whatsoever, it is a tough and ugly business base mostly on stealing innocent webmaster's money

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        • Mutt
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Sep 2002
          • 34431

          #5
          QuickBuck is not processed by CCBILL or Paycom - there are many programs that do their own processing so your point is pure conjecture - it is in CCBILL and Paycom's interest to stop Zango targeting their join pages.

          you may be right if Zango was only popping up programs processed by CCBILL or Paycom but that's not the case so all you are doing is speculating that CCBILL and Paycom would sell their clients down the river. which really isn't fair - what evidence do you have to base that opinion on?
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          • »Rob Content«
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2006
            • 4348

            #6
            Everyone

            I am here to confirm that we have been in contact with Zango's Attorneys today regarding the abuse of CCbill's Trademark. It is our understanding that CCbill has been placed on a "Blacklist" and no other webmaster will ever be able to purchase traffic related to the CCbill.com domain. If anyone can still see our Trademark being violated by Zango please let us know as soon as possible.



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            • 12clicks
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jan 2001
              • 19813

              #7
              Originally posted by DamageX
              So do I, to be honest. But take a step back and look at the big picture, these two processors stand to lose money directly only if the traffic hijacked from the joinpages is sent to a processor other than themselves.
              dear idiot, the traffic was sent to other processors.
              i know you like to hear yourself chirp but really, stck to the "would you hit it" threads.
              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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              • NETbilling
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2002
                • 8598

                #8
                Originally posted by celebnudevideo
                Sadly most merchant processors have no ethics whatsoever, it is a tough and ugly business base mostly on stealing innocent webmaster's money
                You are wrong about processors.

                Mitch


                Mitch Farber
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                • celebnudevideo
                  Confirmed User
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 168

                  #9
                  No i am not

                  Originally posted by NetBilling
                  You are wrong about processors.

                  Mitch
                  I did say "MOST" not all

                  i have like 8 processors each of them stole my money and owe me like 2K each that i never got back.

                  Maybe Netbilling is not one of those, but thanks to all the processors stopping my growth, i cannot go with netbilling cause my volume never grew

                  never mind, we have our own merchant account now so screw all the the thieves in this processing business, i do not need them anymore.

                  Again, i did say most, and for what its worth, i never made any business with Netbilling

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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942

                    #10
                    Originally posted by NetBilling
                    You are wrong about processors.

                    Mitch
                    I think the record of processors over all shows the truth.



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                    • webmasterchecks
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 1685

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                      I think the record of processors over all shows the truth.
                      most of the shadyness got wiped out over time, as an result of the shadyness

                      mitch is referring to right now
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                      • 12clicks
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 19813

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                        I think the record of processors over all shows the truth.
                        CCbill and Epoch have been the class of third party billing for by my estimation the last 7 years or so (if not longer).
                        Its no one's fault but your own if you went with someone else during that time to save half a percent on fees.
                        (to say nothing for the guy who's been thru 8 processors)
                        Last edited by 12clicks; 10-10-2007, 05:08 AM.
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                        • NETbilling
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 8598

                          #13
                          Originally posted by celebnudevideo
                          I did say "MOST" not all

                          i have like 8 processors each of them stole my money and owe me like 2K each that i never got back.

                          Maybe Netbilling is not one of those, but thanks to all the processors stopping my growth, i cannot go with netbilling cause my volume never grew

                          never mind, we have our own merchant account now so screw all the the thieves in this processing business, i do not need them anymore.

                          Again, i did say most, and for what its worth, i never made any business with Netbilling
                          99% of the time, it was the banks or Visa that shut down the 3rd party processors that have gone under. Most of them started with good intentions and many had a great business until things went wrong at the bank.

                          This is the sole reason that we stayed away from beocming an IPSP (3rd party processor). Our merchant love the fact that we are solid, do not take risk on the merchant account, and give merchants the flexibility to manage their accounts as they see fit.

                          Mitch


                          Mitch Farber
                          CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                          Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
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                          • Brad Mitchell
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2001
                            • 9813

                            #14
                            I think your view on CCBill and Epoch is extraordinarily narrow. I think it's nonsense to try to lump processors together, especially since we're really just talking about the last companies standing. Their individual histories of doing right by our community are overwhelming. So what if a dozen other companies screwed the pooch and aren't in business anymore - and if there are a few more that are just like the ones that went away... with their clocks ticking. CCBill and Epoch have far too much to lose by not being proactive for the better of our community. Besides this, they've both published a statement in the last week (Rand from Epoch today) advising us of what their efforts have been and they're not small. It's an excellent start to addressing the issue. If they can succeed on the Zango front I bet anyone willing to lawyer up can as well.

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                            • celebnudevideo
                              Confirmed User
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 168

                              #15
                              Well

                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                              CCbill and Epoch have been the class of third party billing for by my estimation the last 7 years or so (if not longer).
                              Its no one's fault but your own if you went with someone else during that time to save half a percent on fees.
                              (to say nothing for the guy who's been thru 8 processors)
                              You are not totally correct here, it was not my fault that i am from a country that CCBILL or Epoch won't accept webmasters from, i cannot even signup for CCBILL affiliate

                              i'd have loved to go with CCBILL for 30% not 15%,..stable processing is everything

                              but i am left with all the crappy shady ones cause of my origin , so technically it is not my fault, i am just out of luck !

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                              • celebnudevideo
                                Confirmed User
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 168

                                #16
                                True

                                Originally posted by NetBilling
                                99% of the time, it was the banks or Visa that shut down the 3rd party processors that have gone under. Most of them started with good intentions and many had a great business until things went wrong at the bank.

                                This is the sole reason that we stayed away from beocming an IPSP (3rd party processor). Our merchant love the fact that we are solid, do not take risk on the merchant account, and give merchants the flexibility to manage their accounts as they see fit.

                                Mitch
                                but when things get wrong at the bank, they keep processing ! and all in all, most of the processors are thieves
                                i am not afraid to say that 6-7 months ago i got dumped by Segpay with no valid reasons at all, and wrongfully cause segpay is run by idiots, which i knew before i went with them, but had to, cause like i said, my options are,were limited, and now even i still use them as tertiary processor even, anyways,

                                i got dumped by them, and my account was terminated, and being the thieves they are or the incompetent they are, they still until this day REBILL my old members that no longer have access, and when the users realise that and email them, they tell the users to email me asking about their access !

                                the guys terminate my account and 6 months later i find out they're still billing my old users for their own enjoyment, now i am not getting this money in my bank. Who is ?!!

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                                • celebnudevideo
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Sep 2007
                                  • 168

                                  #17
                                  And segpay owes me in cash like $5,000 from my last account
                                  and so does OPS owes me around the same when it went under with Dan Ahearn who promised to pay me back but never did, for over 3 years now, this 3rd party business is a joke, they might as well wear stripes to work everyday

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                                  • webmasterchecks
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2006
                                    • 1685

                                    #18
                                    besides, what can they do about it? im sure its harder than one thinks. unless its not cut and dry, (and the spyware companies make sure its not cut and dry), its a long legal costly battle (1.5 mill min.) and for what? something thats gone now anyway
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                                    • NETbilling
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 8598

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                      CCbill and Epoch have been the class of third party billing for by my estimation the last 7 years or so (if not longer).
                                      Its no one's fault but your own if you went with someone else during that time to save half a percent on fees.
                                      (to say nothing for the guy who's been thru 8 processors)
                                      We are happy to have you as a NETbilling client as well.

                                      Mitch


                                      Mitch Farber
                                      CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                      Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
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                                      • SwirlsGirl
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Feb 2006
                                        • 2067

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by NETbilling
                                        You are wrong about processors.

                                        Mitch
                                        No he is 100% correct....would you be interested in me laying out the testimonies of 100's of small biz merchants like myself??

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                                        • Bladewire
                                          StraightBro
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 56228

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by SwirlsGirl
                                          ....would you be interested in me laying out the testimonies of 100's of small biz merchants like myself??
                                          You have no porn site, are you some other kind of merchant using CCBill?



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                                          • ArsewithClass
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Mar 2007
                                            • 7957

                                            #22
                                            Isn't it down to the program not the billing company if zango is found on the server & the join page?

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                                            • SwirlsGirl
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Feb 2006
                                              • 2067

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Squirtit
                                              You have no porn site, are you some other kind of merchant using CCBill?

                                              I am glad you posted that, and I am hardly ashamed I am illustrating what happens when you trust gfy crooks with your money, you can be out of biz like that...

                                              go ahead newbies, listen to these people at your own risk, these times are far more desperate than you will ever know on gfy...

                                              I spent almost 3 hours at my bank today trying to work out an issue, and there was a line of about 15 people, all with the look of frustration in their eyes, and look like they were one step away from hurting someone.... n a sad perverted way I enjoyed seeing people filling up the bank because I know its not just me....

                                              the desperation is obvious and its not getting better its getting worse....the banks cannot keep looking people in the eye and getting them to accept that 1.50 purchase of coffee and a $5.00 purchase for cigarretes can amount to your bank account being minus -$105.00

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                                              • uno
                                                RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER
                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 18450

                                                #24
                                                I can't believe this nutbag chick is still here and babbling about every biller there is.
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                                                • bean-aid
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Jun 2011
                                                  • 16493

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by SwirlsGirl
                                                  I am glad you posted that, and I am hardly ashamed I am illustrating what happens when you trust gfy crooks with your money, you can be out of biz like that...

                                                  go ahead newbies, listen to these people at your own risk, these times are far more desperate than you will ever know on gfy...

                                                  I spent almost 3 hours at my bank today trying to work out an issue, and there was a line of about 15 people, all with the look of frustration in their eyes, and look like they were one step away from hurting someone.... n a sad perverted way I enjoyed seeing people filling up the bank because I know its not just me....

                                                  the desperation is obvious and its not getting better its getting worse....the banks cannot keep looking people in the eye and getting them to accept that 1.50 purchase of coffee and a $5.00 purchase for cigarretes can amount to your bank account being minus -$105.00
                                                  You must be kidding me?

                                                  Do you have your site backed up? Jesus, totally ridiculous.

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                                                  • Barefootsies
                                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                    • 42635

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by uno
                                                    I can't believe this nutbag chick is still here and babbling about every biller there is.
                                                    Believe it.

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                                                    • uno
                                                      RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER
                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                      • 18450

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                      Isn't it down to the program not the billing company if zango is found on the server & the join page?

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                                                      • ArsewithClass
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Mar 2007
                                                        • 7957

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by uno
                                                        linkhotten
                                                        My bad for not understanding what ccbill would have to do with a zango redirect on a join form?

                                                        Excuse my ignorance, I'm a program owner & keep an eye on our billing company, join forms & any problems that have never occured

                                                        I would have hoped for a sensible answer considering I would like to keep my sites running well for my affiliates

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                                                        • BIGTYMER
                                                          Junior Achiever
                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                          • 17066

                                                          #29
                                                          What does the bank have to do with your site being down Swirls?

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                                                          • uno
                                                            RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 18450

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                            My bad for not understanding what ccbill would have to do with a zango redirect on a join form?

                                                            Excuse my ignorance, I'm a program owner & keep an eye on our billing company, join forms & any problems that have never occured

                                                            I would have hoped for a sensible answer considering I would like to keep my sites running well for my affiliates

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                                                            • EukerVoorn
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Aug 2011
                                                              • 1423

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by celebnudevideo
                                                              You are not totally correct here, it was not my fault that i am from a country that CCBILL or Epoch won't accept webmasters from, i cannot even signup for CCBILL affiliate

                                                              i'd have loved to go with CCBILL for 30% not 15%,..stable processing is everything

                                                              but i am left with all the crappy shady ones cause of my origin , so technically it is not my fault, i am just out of luck !
                                                              You need to network. Find someone in a white listed country and setup an account through that person. Spread your risks, don't try to do everything alone and try to trust other people. They can screw you only once. Also setup alternative payments, stop thinking that you need Visa and MasterCard. Offer Direct Debit, cash, phone and bank transfer payment.

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                                                              • Supz
                                                                Arthur Flegenheimer
                                                                • Jul 2006
                                                                • 11057

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                                                                You need to network. Find someone in a white listed country and setup an account through that person. Spread your risks, don't try to do everything alone and try to trust other people. They can screw you only once. Also setup alternative payments, stop thinking that you need Visa and MasterCard. Offer Direct Debit, cash, phone and bank transfer payment.
                                                                This is from 4 years ago

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