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49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:12 PM

I am launching a new paysite in the next couple of days. I am looking for recommendations on credit card / check processors. They need to be capable of the following:

Offering trial periods by hours of day. i.e. $2.95 trial for 72 hours

Offering reduced price trials that can be cancelled right up until the end of the trial. (None of this 24 hours before end of trial b.s.)

Memberships based on 31 days. Again, cancellation accepted right up until end of day on 31st day.

Ability to offer reduced price monthly membership at time of trial cancellation.

I may also offer this program as an affiliate program in the next few weeks. It may not be everyone's cup of tea...As you can see form my requirements above, I plan on operating a clear cut, quality & honest program for my surfers. Initial tests have been promising, but the earnings are lower then other "smoke and mirror" type programs. But, I can sleep at night and also admire my purchases knowing that I earned them.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2002, 03:14 PM

well, being as anal retentive as you seem to be.... your best bet is probably to get a merchant account and aquire your own processing interface through someone such as Authorize.net. That way you can fully control how much you wanna kiss the surfers ass.

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
well, being as anal retentive as you seem to be.... your best bet is probably to get a merchant account and aquire your own processing interface through someone such as Authorize.net. That way you can fully control how much you wanna kiss the surfers ass.

Or I could do the same way you appear to do it...trick and fool the surfer...which isn't even one step up from phone fraud or any other boiler room technique... nah...I think I will make my money by using good business practices...

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2002, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

Or I could do the same way you appear to do it...trick and fool the surfer...which isn't even one step up from phone fraud or any other boiler room technique... nah...I think I will make my money by using good business practices...

your utopian rhetoric is growing very stale 49th....

quiet · 09-15-2002, 03:19 PM

you're launching a paysite in a couple of days and you're still figuring out which billing system to use? wow.

EscortBiz · 09-15-2002, 03:22 PM

are you saying we are defrauding surfers?

BJ · 09-15-2002, 03:24 PM

get your own merchant account, then in 6 months, tell us how you are doing

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:26 PM

...so amputate...perhaps you would like to explain to me what affiliate programs you use... do any of them pop-up V.I.P Free type sites...the ones that automatically charge the surfer at least $39.95......or the 4 day trials that need to be cancelled in 3 days...hmmm...yep that's good and clear cut...after all...who wouldn't assume that a 4 day trial really wasn't a 4 day trial...but instead is a 3 day trial that will rebill to a full membership...oh but yes, these sites have a small Terms & Conditions link...and the trial cancellation policies are always there...somewhere around after you have scrolled throught the page 6 or 7 times...past all the legal gubbily guck that would make the average consumer assume that this was just another one of those legal papers that need not be read further.

Forgive me for wanting to run an honest program..if you don't like my policies, then put me on ignore and don't read my threads.

theking · 09-15-2002, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
get your own merchant account, then in 6 months, tell us how you are doing

Are you being serious or sarcastic. If you are being sarcastic would you please explain what is wrong with having your own merchant account, if you care too?

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Are you being serious or sarcastic. If you are being sarcastic would you please explain what is wrong with having your own merchant account, if you care too?

I believe he's commenting on my business model, not the merchant account.

And, yes, I already have an online processor lined up. And they can look after my requirements. But, competition is always good and I would still be interested in hearing from processors that advertise on this board.

BJ · 09-15-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Are you being serious or sarcastic. If you are being sarcastic would you please explain what is wrong with having your own merchant account, if you care too.

I was being sarcastic, having a high risk merchant account usually turns out to be more of a pain then anything, unless you run a large operation. You are responsible for disputing chargebacks which can be an administrative nightmare. But, if you have such "good business practices" then go for it. Point is, no matter what people chargeback, and yes you can dispute and win against the customer fairly easily, its just a lot of paperwork.

So, theres notihng wrong with it at all, you just need to be prepared, especially when doing a large number of transactions.

EscortBiz · 09-15-2002, 03:32 PM

no pure is not serious your own merchant account will land you such problems that its not even funny

as fat as 49th I think you should not try to recreate the wheel

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel
...so amputate...perhaps you would like to explain to me what affiliate programs you use...

1. My business is none of your business. When I feel like sharing, I'll do so.

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Originally posted by 49thParallel
do any of them pop-up V.I.P Free type sites...the ones that automatically charge the surfer at least $39.95...... or the 4 day trials that need to be cancelled in 3 days...hmmm...yep that's good and clear cut...after all...who wouldn't assume that a 4 day trial really wasn't a 4 day trial...but instead is a 3 day trial that will rebill to a full membership...

2. Hard to believe you're still crying about this, but not surprising.

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Originally posted by 49thParallel
oh but yes, these sites have a small Terms & Conditions link...and the trial cancellation policies are always there...somewhere around after you have scrolled throught the page 6 or 7 times...past all the legal gubbily guck that would make the average consumer assume that this was just another one of those legal papers that need not be read further.

3. It's a standard, accepted, and legal practice and yes, it IS in the terms. If the surfer is too busy stroking his cock or just plain too lazy to read what it is he's buying, that's not my fault, nor my concern.

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Originally posted by 49thParallel
Forgive me for wanting to run an honest program..if you don't like my policies, then put me on ignore and don't read my threads.

4. Get off your horse. I'm free to read any fucking thing I choose. You asked for processing advice/suggestions and I gave you one. If YOU don;t like the suggestions you get, move on to the next one and stop crying about it. The fact is, most packaged processing systems run things in very much the same way. Most are very customizable, but obviously from your idea of some perfect scenario where no surfer will ever feel offended or angry or anything, there is no perfect solution except to obtain your own merchant account and refund their money anytime someone cries about something. End of story.

Go ahead..... do it. I'm dying to see the results.

theking · 09-15-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

I believe he's commenting on my business model, not the merchant account.

And, yes, I already have an online processor lined up. And they can look after my requirements. But, competition is always good and I would still be interested in hearing from processors that advertise on this board.

Why not use your own merchant account?

BJ · 09-15-2002, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Why not use your own merchant account?

because then the opening of his site would be pushed back three months

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Why not use your own merchant account?

Amputate...oh yes...starting with the comment anal retentive is certainly offering a suggestion...

What part of my thread did you not understand...the part where I was asking for processors?...I have no desire to start my own merchant account...there are companies out there that will handle what I need without me going through the bother...that's what this thread asked...and that's what I need...so thanks for your suggestions...(insert sarcasm here).

And, of course the results are going to be less then using smoke and mirrors. I alone would be surprised if I can make even 15% of what a person selling the VIP type "FREE" memberships does or using the other tricks. But, I run an honest show...and that works for me.

quiet · 09-15-2002, 03:38 PM

gee, there are so many decent billing companies out there. and it's not like there is a thread on them every fucking week. i always say, the best way to find out which company to use, is to ask on gfy.

theking · 09-15-2002, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

Amputate...oh yes...starting with the comment anal retentive is certainly offering a suggestion...

What part of my thread did you not understand...the part where I was asking for processors?...I have no desire to start my own merchant account...there are companies out there that will handle what I need without me going through the bother...that's what this thread asked...and that's what I need...so thanks for your suggestions...(insert sarcasm here).

And, of course the results are going to be less then using smoke and mirrors. I alone would be surprised if I can make even 15% of what a person selling the VIP type "FREE" memberships does or using the other tricks. But, I run an honest show...and that works for me.

I am sorry for asking the question, please forgive me

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
gee, there are so many decent billing companies out there. and it's not like there is a thread on them every fucking week. i always say, the best way to find out which company to use, is to ask on gfy.

Quiet...oh you are so right...silly me...asking a question about billing companies on a board that is frequented by people that would already use billing companies and would be able to offer suggestions...boy, that is kind of stupid, isn't it...

My requirements are somewhat different then what has been covered in other threads. Hence, the NEW thread. But thanks for yet another useless comment.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2002, 03:44 PM

well 49th, perhaps you should be personally contacting and discussing this with the processing companies instead of posing the question here then, because apparently, we are all defrauding the surfers with our evil business practices and it's quite clear that you are the only one capable of conducting business in a legitimate manner because of your conscience or whatever the fuck you call that stick in your ass. It makes me wonder why you ask for opinions about anything here at all. We're simply crooks and clearly beneath you.

Make some phone calls and go get your own fucking info.

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
well 49th, perhaps you should be personally contacting and discussing this with the processing companies instead of posing the question here then, because apparently, we are all defrauding the surfers with our evil business practices and it's quite clear that you are the only one capable of conducting business in a legitimate manner because of your conscience or whatever the fuck you call that stick in your ass. It makes me wonder why you ask for opinions about anything here at all. We're simply crooks and clearly beneath you.

Make some phone calls and go get your own fucking info.

No Amputate...from other threads..it appears that there are other people on this board that share my ethics...those are the people who my threads are directed to...

My questions go to the webmasters like Danni.com and other quality/honest sites...oh my god...Danni has been one of the most successful adult sites on the web and all of her terms are clearcut and honest...boy, this must be a mistake...I wonder how her and her board members sleep at night

BJ · 09-15-2002, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

No Amputate...from other threads..it appears that there are other people on this board that share my ethics...those are the people who my threads are directed to...and yes, if you use the tricks I described...you are nothing more then a simple crook..plan and simple...and you are way way way beneath me.

I could be way off base, but I thought amp is a designer of top notch paysites?

quiet · 09-15-2002, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

Quiet...oh you are so right...silly me...asking a question about billing companies on a board that is frequented by people that would already use billing companies and would be able to offer suggestions...boy, that is kind of stupid, isn't it...

My requirements are somewhat different then what has been covered in other threads. Hence, the NEW thread. But thanks for yet another useless comment.

ever heard of calling a company up, and actually talking to someone? crazy idea, i know. better information on this board for sure.

to paraphrase: 'help, i'm starting a paysite in a couple of days, and i was wondering which billing company to use. oh, and i'd like to stroke the surfers cock for them too. please spam me'

funniest thing i've read on gfy in weeks. i'm sure you'll be a huge success.

quiet · 09-15-2002, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds

I could be way off base, but I thought amp is a designer of top notch paysites?

could it be?

BJ · 09-15-2002, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

could it be?

Im off base?

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds

I could be way off base, but I thought amp is a designer of top notch paysites?

You wouldn't think so from his threads...he obviously disagrees with my opinions, whether I asked for his input or not. That is what I have to go on...so whatever he does, that is not an issue...

So, still open to suggestions for processors....

And again...those of you who keep saying.,,let's see how you do...

What part do you not understand...I have already pulled ALL of my links to existing paysites...which meant taking a large cut in my income...you see, after 2 years in the biz..I had taken the Terms & Conditions at face value...just like a surfer would...

A thread on this board alerted me to the smoke and mirror techniques...at which time I instantly stopped promoting most of my affiliates...Danni.com is a wonderful exception...

So, if I am willing to simply stop my income stream cold turkey...I am certainly willing to develop a fractional income, on my terms. Money is great...earning it is even better.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2002, 03:56 PM

49th, if you weren't such an ass, I'd tell you just how easy it is to set everything up just exactly like you described in your first post...

but I think you need to take the hard road. Good luck on your journey.

quiet · 09-15-2002, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

No Amputate...from other threads..it appears that there are other people on this board that share my ethics...those are the people who my threads are directed to...

My questions go to the webmasters like Danni.com and other quality/honest sites...oh my god...Danni has been one of the most successful adult sites on the web and all of her terms are clearcut and honest...boy, this must be a mistake...I wonder how her and her board members sleep at night

if you really wanted to not fuck over surfers, you could always not use trials at all. i don't, and neither does sykkboy. and we're certainly not the only ones. but i guess ethics only go so far lol.

BJ · 09-15-2002, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

You wouldn't think so from his threads...he obviously disagrees with my opinions, whether I asked for his input or not. That is what I have to go on...so whatever he does, that is not an issue...

So, still open to suggestions for processors....

I don't think its your oppinions, running an honest business is good in my book, just accusing other of not doing so when you didnt understand the rules, especially on like your first post is what's causing problems here.

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

if you really wanted to not fuck over surfers, you could always not use trials at all. i don't, and neither does sykkboy. and we're certainly not the only ones. but i guess ethics only go so far lol.

Nope...it's in the way it's promoted...trials don't need to be a trick...if clearly and honestly stated in large bold type then the trials allow the customer to try the site for a greatly reduced price...instead of asking for full payment site unseen.

quiet · 09-15-2002, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

Nope...it's in the way it's promoted...trials don't need to be a trick...if clearly and honestly stated in large bold type then the trials allow the customer to try the site for a greatly reduced price...instead of asking for full payment site unseen.

you can show plenty of the site, and convince them that you have something different. believe me, i know.

another little-known site with the same tactic. bangbus.com. but certainly, trials can work great. however - if you're so obsessed about trials, it's possible to have huge success without them all together...

there is no 'nope'.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2002, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel
the trials allow the customer to try the site for a greatly reduced price...instead of asking for full payment site unseen.

trials typically give FULL access to the site..... not really a *trial* so to speak. More like a shortened membership. When you see a preview for a movie, you don't get the full movie..... you get a preview. Isn't that what the OUTSIDE of the site is? A preview? Trials are quite simply surfer trickery to try and get them into a full priced membership. If you were really honest, you wouldn't use pay trials. The site front is your trial.

Hence, using paid trials on your site makes you a hypocrite.

quiet · 09-15-2002, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

trials typically give FULL access to the site..... not really a *trial* so to speak. More like a shortened membership. When you see a preview for a movie, you don't get the full movie..... you get a preview. Isn't that what the OUTSIDE of the site is? A preview? Trials are quite simply surfer trickery to try and get them into a full priced membership. If you were really honest, you wouldn't use pay trials. The site front is your trial.

Hence, using paid trials on your site makes you a hypocrite.

exactly.

BJ · 09-15-2002, 04:14 PM

to 49th's defense...real quick, your idea might work, especially since you may convert the otherwise suspicious surfer by really pushing your safe billing methods. But, you better have the content to back it up.

quiet · 09-15-2002, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
to 49th's defense...real quick, your idea might work, especially since you may convert the otherwise suspicious surfer by really pushing your safe billing methods. But, you better have the content to back it up.

might as well do a free trial then. making them pay for a peek, could be considered unethical.

and of course paid trials work. look at Roger's program lol.

Amputate Your Head · 09-15-2002, 04:20 PM

PM, I understand 49ths position on this, (I'm just trying to illustrate the ridiculousness of the view he's taking, if in fact he's serious about the whole conscience thing) and whether it's all about his peace of mind and being able to sleep at night knowing he did justice to the porn world by being totally honest or whatever..... it IS a nice angle.... push the fact that he's got the most legit billing setup online, yak yak yak..... show examples of how everyone else is fucking over surfers..... (more yakkity yak yak here).....

truly.... a nice angle. And you're right PM.... it'll probably work. Even on seasoned porn surfers. But you're also very right in your last statement: He better have the content to back it up or it's gonna backfire.

and yes.... using paid trials in this case, makes 49th a hypocrite to his idealistic bullshit speeches about fairness and honesty. Paid trials are BASED on the idea that the surfer will forget to cancel.

49thParallel · 09-15-2002, 04:21 PM

O.K. I'm a man of my words...I have already changed the wording on my join form...I am going to try this whole thing with a reasonably priced membership...no trials. Some of the comments above made sense...

And, yes, I have the content to make the purchase well worth the surfers respect...

BJ · 09-15-2002, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
PM, I understand 49ths position on this, (I'm just trying to illustrate the ridiculousness of the view he's taking, if in fact he's serious about the whole conscience thing) and whether it's all about his peace of mind and being able to sleep at night knowing he did justice to the porn world by being totally honest or whatever..... it IS a nice angle.... push the fact that he's got the most legit billing setup online, yak yak yak..... show examples of how everyone else is fucking over surfers..... (more yakkity yak yak here).....

truly.... a nice angle. And you're right PM.... it'll probably work. Even on seasoned porn surfers. But you're also very right in your last statement: He better have the content to back it up or it's gonna backfire.

and yes.... using paid trials in this case, makes 49th a hypocrite to his idealistic bullshit speeches about fairness and honesty. Paid trials are BASED on the idea that the surfer will forget to cancel.

It is safe to say I have at least 3 porn memberships that bill me monthly and I have no idea what sites they are for.... Im an adult and I can accept this fact. some day I will cancel... I knew this going in to it, and it is my fault.

EscortBiz · 09-15-2002, 04:51 PM

let us know when your site is up

09-15-2002, 03:12 PM	#1
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Spam me with payment systems I am launching a new paysite in the next couple of days. I am looking for recommendations on credit card / check processors. They need to be capable of the following: Offering trial periods by hours of day. i.e. $2.95 trial for 72 hours Offering reduced price trials that can be cancelled right up until the end of the trial. (None of this 24 hours before end of trial b.s.) Memberships based on 31 days. Again, cancellation accepted right up until end of day on 31st day. Ability to offer reduced price monthly membership at time of trial cancellation. I may also offer this program as an affiliate program in the next few weeks. It may not be everyone's cup of tea...As you can see form my requirements above, I plan on operating a clear cut, quality & honest program for my surfers. Initial tests have been promising, but the earnings are lower then other "smoke and mirror" type programs. But, I can sleep at night and also admire my purchases knowing that I earned them.

09-15-2002, 03:14 PM	#2
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	well, being as anal retentive as you seem to be.... your best bet is probably to get a merchant account and aquire your own processing interface through someone such as Authorize.net. That way you can fully control how much you wanna kiss the surfers ass. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

09-15-2002, 03:19 PM	#5
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	you're launching a paysite in a couple of days and you're still figuring out which billing system to use? wow. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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09-15-2002, 03:32 PM	#12
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09-15-2002, 03:24 PM	#7
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09-15-2002, 03:26 PM	#8
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	...so amputate...perhaps you would like to explain to me what affiliate programs you use... do any of them pop-up V.I.P Free type sites...the ones that automatically charge the surfer at least $39.95......or the 4 day trials that need to be cancelled in 3 days...hmmm...yep that's good and clear cut...after all...who wouldn't assume that a 4 day trial really wasn't a 4 day trial...but instead is a 3 day trial that will rebill to a full membership...oh but yes, these sites have a small Terms & Conditions link...and the trial cancellation policies are always there...somewhere around after you have scrolled throught the page 6 or 7 times...past all the legal gubbily guck that would make the average consumer assume that this was just another one of those legal papers that need not be read further. Forgive me for wanting to run an honest program..if you don't like my policies, then put me on ignore and don't read my threads.

09-15-2002, 03:38 PM	#17
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	gee, there are so many decent billing companies out there. and it's not like there is a thread on them every fucking week. i always say, the best way to find out which company to use, is to ask on gfy.

09-15-2002, 03:44 PM	#20
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	well 49th, perhaps you should be personally contacting and discussing this with the processing companies instead of posing the question here then, because apparently, we are all defrauding the surfers with our evil business practices and it's quite clear that you are the only one capable of conducting business in a legitimate manner because of your conscience or whatever the fuck you call that stick in your ass. It makes me wonder why you ask for opinions about anything here at all. We're simply crooks and clearly beneath you. Make some phone calls and go get your own fucking info. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

09-15-2002, 03:56 PM	#27
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	49th, if you weren't such an ass, I'd tell you just how easy it is to set everything up just exactly like you described in your first post... but I think you need to take the hard road. Good luck on your journey. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

09-15-2002, 04:14 PM	#34
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	to 49th's defense...real quick, your idea might work, especially since you may convert the otherwise suspicious surfer by really pushing your safe billing methods. But, you better have the content to back it up.

09-15-2002, 04:20 PM	#36
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	PM, I understand 49ths position on this, (I'm just trying to illustrate the ridiculousness of the view he's taking, if in fact he's serious about the whole conscience thing) and whether it's all about his peace of mind and being able to sleep at night knowing he did justice to the porn world by being totally honest or whatever..... it IS a nice angle.... push the fact that he's got the most legit billing setup online, yak yak yak..... show examples of how everyone else is fucking over surfers..... (more yakkity yak yak here)..... truly.... a nice angle. And you're right PM.... it'll probably work. Even on seasoned porn surfers. But you're also very right in your last statement: He better have the content to back it up or it's gonna backfire. and yes.... using paid trials in this case, makes 49th a hypocrite to his idealistic bullshit speeches about fairness and honesty. Paid trials are BASED on the idea that the surfer will forget to cancel. __________________ SIG TOO BIG Last edited by Amputate Your Head; 09-15-2002 at 04:22 PM..

09-15-2002, 04:21 PM	#37
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	O.K. I'm a man of my words...I have already changed the wording on my join form...I am going to try this whole thing with a reasonably priced membership...no trials. Some of the comments above made sense... And, yes, I have the content to make the purchase well worth the surfers respect... Last edited by 49thParallel; 09-15-2002 at 04:26 PM..

09-15-2002, 04:51 PM	#39
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