Ray: Simple question: Does she believe in Santa still?

If so, time to pony up. If not, explain that God is like Santa to some people. Some people need to believe in it to feel good about their lives.

They are both fat bearded white men, too. So that works out.

I find people who believe in God scary. My wife is a hardcore Christian, and I have had many battles with her mom. I win EVERY time and she has no rebuttle other than "Yea well I just have faith."

My wife said something about Witches the other day and I responded "Yep thank god you guys killed them all off in the dark ages, I wouldn't want those magical freaks around now." She was VERY confused by the comment but I think her "faith" shifted for a few minutes.

I answered your question...you apparently do not like the answer. There is observable evidence that has been spread over millions of years that supports micro evolution.

see previous post above

Who observed it?

Let's roll with that theory. Giddyup

Most truly religious people have faith because of a personal experience with there god not from something they read or heard from some man of faith. If you are lucky you may someday have a similar experience until then you will chide and diride those of faith.

I will move you from the past tense to the present tense. Who do you think observes the observable? Never mind answering as I will not continue in your game playing. You are dismissed.

You're going to have to, and there is nothing wrong with doing it. Your daughter is being told bullshit by her friend. If her friend was telling your daughter that blacks are an inferior race and women don't belong in the workforce, would you shit on her beliefs?

tell her that her friend is wrong and that she should of made a thread on GFY with a poll and the choice with the most votes would have obviously been correct.

So you find your wife scary? Just curious why you married someone who has such fundamentally different views than you?

So who observed the evidence for micro evolution millions of years ago?

That is actually complete and utter bullshit. Just a talking point off some moronic intelligent design website. Fact is that there is tons of evidence proving the theory of macroevolution. EVERY MAJOR SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION AGREES WITH THIS.

So lets see who to believe about this. Almost every fucking scientist in the world, or some idiots who believe in fairy tales.

Most people are religious because that is how they were raised.

So technically, if I tell you that the world was created by a giant alien who pooped our planet out and everything on it, it would be just as believable as evolution and intelligent design. I mean those others are just beliefs, as is my theory that the Earth was created by an alien bowel movement.

There isn't one aspect of biology that makes sense EXCEPT in light of evolution. Anyone saying otherwise is either arguing for argument sake or really has no understanding of science at all.

I'm not sure what you mean by gaps in "micro" evolution. I have personally observed with my eyes the evolution that took place in a petrie dish of bacteria. 10 min after putting a drop of sulfuric acid into the medium I saw several generations of bacteria evolve do the the change in their environment.

1. i dont understand how some dumbass's will fall to their knees for their entire life to believe and contribute to their religion that has no proof, no hard evidence of being creators of us

2. if we go to heaven, where do animals go when they die? and insects? do they have separate heavens? what draws the line on whether a being gets to go to human heaven or separate heaves, are there like 20 different types of heavens? or millions of different heavens depending on your species? (LOL)

3. evolution is proven to work, scientific fact, funny how 99.9% of retards on earth dont believe in facts :1orglaugh talk about a mass brainwashed society!

Stupid sheep need a shepherd, they need someone who tells them what to do with their lifes, might it be Hitler, Stalin, God or a big pink furry Elephant in the sky.

But as people get more and more educated religions are dying anyway, just a matter of time :thumbsup

ok, lets get this straight, I was born catholic, woman was not created by no ones rib, and there was no immaculate conception! you can have faith, and I think the best faith out there is acknowledging our ignorance and the unknown

I think the key here is to explain to your daughter that people are different and so are their beliefs about where we came from and where we are going. Children can grasp this in the context of nobody was actually there so they dont know for sure.

Give your daughter the freedom to believe whats she believes to be correct and the understanding that she can change her mind anytime. Exlain that as she gets older she will ask more questions and can make up her own mind and change her mind at any time.

also explain that as we as human beings are here longer we learn more about ourselves and our environment you can cite specific examples like we once thought the earth was flat.

It isn't so much important what she believes now as it is that she understands that she can make up her own mind without being ridiculed by the people she respects the most (her parents)

This lays the foundation for a healthy well adjusted life when even more complex issues like sexuality confront her

How about Jesus ? He spent most of his life and time clocking his own cock figuring out his 33rd inches of microeconomics......

I don't think apple trees were around during the times of Middle East...

I just don't understand why humans need symbols to live life...

Symbols are only perceptions fucking with your unconscious mind distorting latitude over your longitude thoughts.

I'm sorry but I disagree with every religion without correlations. I mean if you all could wake up every morning, I really doubt a "higher being" with "intelligence" had anything to do with the wake.

Religion only helps people to understand and cope with their own REMs...

Inspiration comes from your personal dreams. Not from higher calling.

All children should be allowed to express themselves without any explanation of doubts from our elder generations. Times change and the parents should definitely be aware of those changes. Religion is not so important when the children mentions about apple trees with no seeds...

Just ask her which makes more sense, a being in the sky that creates things whenever he/she/it wants, or life evolving into different forms over billions of years.

If that doesn't work, make her watch discovery channels all the time.

What's actually scary about this is the fact that people running for the presidency of the United States, aka Ruler of the World, believe that they were put here by a God.

They believe that Mary was in fact a virgin, and gave birth without having been fucked. They believe that this child was not hers, but God's. They believe that this child is going to give them a pass to a big fucking party in the sky when they die. They believe that there is a mean space daddy and the only way for them to get into his bitchin' ass party is to worship his son as the Savior of all Humanity.

Meanwhile the rest of us here on Earth have found out that the Earth is round, that there were dinosaurs here millions of years before us, and that pretty much everything that goes on around us can be described logically by numbers. We know that Gods do not throw lightning bolts, they do not cure diseases and that they don't stop one person from killing millions of people.

It's insane to think that there are billions of people on the planet Earth who still follow this bullshit and cannot think for themselves.

Religious people = dumb fuckers

Look, let your kid be exposed to all sorts of theories and beliefs, sooner or later she'd get exhausted listening to them all she would want no religion at all.

If you follow a religion or belief, its usually what you start to hope your children follow - but if they hear other wise, and it makes more sense to them - they have to make their own decissions what they think is right and wrong- how we got here. If she wants to believe in God rather than Evolution you have to let her choose. It should never be forced upon a person.

I feel the same way.

hahaha.. sneaky

I don't really understand why I "have to" accept macro evolution just because I'm not a christian. I also don't understand why everyone on this board assumes that everyone else is atheist and darwinist just because they sell porn.

It amazes me the guys saying there is no proof of evolution. The entire body of evidence of biology and other sciences points to only that one conclusion. The fossil evidence is in the millions of specimens by this point. You think it's all a coincidence that living and past creatures have these overwhelming similarities and are made up of the same material? Boggles my mind that someone could just shrug that off. The quality of education nowadays really is abysmal.

uhmmm...did you just not say that you follow the philosophy of Buddha?

Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion.

LOL m'kay

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

# 6 religion in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions

http://www.uiowa.edu/~religion/majpros.html
listed under Asian religions

http://www.sacred-texts.com/time/origtime.htm


Sorry man, but it's a religion.

But my point was really, that some people choose to follow the "philosopy" and teachings of Christ, others Mohamed, others Oprah

I personally don't believe in organized religion. However, I don't see anything wrong with following the teachings of "prophets" and/or philosophers.

There's some good advice that you can find throughout various texts...but why shit on what teachings others follow...when there are holes just as big as the ones you follow.

You do know how Buddha was conceived right?

http://www.dharmathai.com/lifeofbuddha/index.html

Here are some paintings and carvings commemorating the event:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...00/Buddha2.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...Queen_Maya.jpg

Don't just hate on people who believe different than you, just because you want to feel superior.

You're bagging on someone's belief in a magical being who's son was born of a virgin, yet you follow the beliefs of what you did not know was a religion, who's principal prophet was the product of a magical birth too..LOL

Micro-Evolution has been observed in the modern day and is accepted as Fact among the scientific community.

Macro-Evolution, cannot be observed as it occurs over millions of years, however there are many evidences that support the theory.

Here are 29+ evidences for Macro Evolution: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Note that among any reputable scientist with a biology or paleontology background, both micro and macro evolution are accepted as fact.

The only people that believe otherwise are:
- Uneducated
- Misled
- Willfully ignorant

I had a similar problem. My kids started going to a church youth group with their friends, and the youth pastor was telling them all kinds of crazy shit about Jews going to hell, gays going to hell, etc. He was even completely fabricating historical facts that coincide with the Bible to convince my children to believe. My son saw through his horse shit right away, but my daughter, who has always been more temperamental and difficult, began arguing with me about it all the time. I didn't want to tell them they were forbidden to attend a church they wanted to go to, but at the same time I desperately didn't want them to go. I didn't know what to do, so I just waited it out.

It's been a couple of years now, and neither child is attending the church anymore. Neither of them believe any of it anymore. My daughter left on her own, because she has a lot of gay friends, and my son was kicked out for repeatedly playing his Iron Maiden 666 The Number of the Beast ringtone during youth group.

If you wait it out and let her make up her own mind, there's a good chance she'll grow out of it. And if all else fails, buy her an Iron Maiden ringtone.

Yes, I do. And I have called her out many times on it.

Why would I marry her? We have everything else in common. Beliefs in every other facet of government, politics, children, family... everything. She just believes in invisible men who created the world.

Religion hooks kids young when they are impressionable and... well... stupid. You got lucky.

My dad went to sunday school from age 5-11. Then one day he just said "This is fucking retarded" and told his mom he was NEVER going again. He got lucky and snapped out of it. Most kids (95%) don't which is why there are new generations of religious kids.

Get them while they don't know any better. It's a lot like smoking.

Not to burst your bubble man, but that just won't work out over time.

seriously, I'm not trying to be a prick, just realistic. Marriages / relationships have a hard enough time just getting through such mundane issues as money, sharing housework, who left the cap off of the toothpaste, let alone such a huge glaring divisive issue as religion.

youR Rite yall
do need help....lol ")

I had that shit shoved down my throat for 12 years of my life in Catholic school. As I continued to college and majored in Philosophy I started thinking more logically. As long as she stays in school and goes to college, plus you guys are raising her to think independently, I think she'll be ok.

Religion is not a bad thing, Its the fanatics behind it that twist religion for their own benifit, I myself do not beleve in a god but rather in evolution but I would also not knock other peoples beliefs we all have a right to beleive in what suits us.

:2 cents:

This is bullshit. When people believe in something that is just plain wrong is how you get assholes strapping bombs to themselves. Just because it suits them?

People need to stop tip-toeing around this shit. Anyone who thinks Mary was a virgin and that Jesus was the son of God is a fucking nut case in my book. If you believe in a magical garden where there was an evil apple and a talking fucking snake, you're a fucking nut case. etc. etc. etc.

Its not the relgion, its the people/fanatics who hide behind it or twist it, use it for their own benifits or as you say "strapping bombs to themselves" these people are fanatics and any fanatic is dangerous wheather its relgious motivated or motivated by something else.

ok, strap a bomb to yourself, blow up, party in the sky with virgins...

i would say that religion is motivating that...not common sense. get rid of the religion card and then they are just revolutionaries. it's a lot easier to systematically kill revolutionaries who want to kill us than it is to tip-toe around all of the religious bullshit and worry about hurting everyone's feelings.

It's a power game. A system of control. Like many other things. See Matrix and unplug.

:2 cents:

Yes you are right a lot of wars are religious or land motivated, but you have some fanatic who is teaching others to follow that specific religion who thinks it is good to go out and blow people up. There are a lot of elderly or sick people who believe in religion because it is a comfort for them before they die and to take religion away from humans would be a disaster, I still think religion has a part to play in any society and i dont knock people for what they believe in, even if you took religion away from suicide bombers they would still find some other excuse or motivation to go out and blow somebody up.

I am not sure what you are not clear about here. I think i was very clear. I FOLLOW THE PHILOSOPHY OF BUDDHA. Not the teachings and I'm not a Buddhist. The Philosophy that you live your life treating others how you would like to be taught. I live my life based on SOME of the concepts. I never said I was a Buddhist.

I never hated on anyone. In fact I clearly stated that i do not want to shit on her beliefs. I think the immaculate conception is just as ridiculous as the Conception of Buddha. Those things (like with Jesus) were created after his death by people who wanted to deify him. The stories are just as much fairy tales and I'd be writing this thread even If I were Christian or if her friend was telling her that Buddha was born of a virgin (which was clearly stolen by Christianity, so how can it have credibility?):

from Buddhanet.net
"Most religions become corrupted after the death of their founder, and Buddhism was no exception. Myths, traditions and superstitions grew up around the simple philosophical system. In fact, Buddha had no belief in the soul, personal immortality, or any supernatural realities. He didn't so much deny God as ignore any deity. He was an Atheist"

Following a philosophy or way of life is very different than "being a Buddhist" and regardless of it's classification by the world most true Buddhists will tell you it's not a religion.

From Wikipedia:
Buddhism is often described as a religion and a collection of various philosophies. To many, however, Buddhism is a set of spiritual teachings and practices rather than a religion."

Hope that opens a mind or two.

Well Said!! I hate when people don't read the entire thread and then post as if they know what you are saying. I am an Atheist myself, but I respect people's beliefs as long as they do not impose them on me. Problem is that a good number of religious people want to impose their beliefs on you:321GFY