Illegal works for 11 years in US, entire savings confiscated.

[Matt 26z]

There are two types of illegal immigrants.

Those who just want a better life, will be a productive member of society and will support their new country in every way even though they may not be legal (yet).

Then there are the illegal immigrant leaches. They come with the sole purpose of exporting cash back to their homeland. The very money that should be going into the local economy. These people never pay taxes either.

Here is one such case...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/imm...ies&eref=yahoo

Not only should he have lost the $59,000, he should be headed to prison.

What makes this a shocking story is not the figure. It's that he tried to export the entire $59,000 at once. Most of these guys are smart enough to send it little by little.


What is your take on this?

Should a citizen of one country be allowed to funnel money out of communities and send it back to his home country?

[gecko]

Damn sucks to be him, but pretty moronic to carry 59k all at once across the boarder.

[bhutocracy]

I dunno... you work at the bottom of the pile as a dishpig for 11 years and manage to save 59k... part of me thinks you're entitled to most of it. As an illegal it's not like he was availing himself to all the amenities taxes provide. And he would have been living like crap to save that kind of cash. Smarter than most people who earn many multiples of that and are still only ghetto rich. He should have to pay out some ofit.. it's not like he wasn't using the roads etc. But I wouldn't begrudge him a fat wad to take back to his shithole country.

I can't not respect the hard work.

[eroswebmaster]

I'm so sick of this bullshit...watching CNN today and they were talking about how we are in no danger of losing English as the predominate language in the U.S.

Something like 1st gen huge majority speak spanish, but by 4th generation, only about 5%. The guy who led the study actually called America a graveyard of old languages...fuck that.

This is America, a country who has primarily used English as it's language for centuries now...if you want your kids to continue to speak any other language...that's fine...but you better teach them English first...it's what is going to get them through the most doors.

but seriously, this whole illegal bullshit is starting to wear on my nerves.

And I'm here to tell every Mexican / American on this board...you better start to rethink your strategies when it comes to "amnesty." 4 years ago, I didn't give a shit about them coming here, but since then, this bullshit has gotten so old, I am now actively fighting against it.

You lost someone on your side, and I can guarantee you, about 80% of the white people I talk to are now feeling the same way..the tide is turning against you.

[Penny24Seven]

make him pay taxes on it and give him the rest. If he worked for it who cares unless it is stolen but if he pays taxes he can send it home if he wants. That would be like saying you can't retire in another country after working your whole life here

[jryan89]

Fuck all illegals...send them all to jail!

[Superterrorizer]

Why would you want to send them to prison where your tax dollars have to support them? Why not just send them back to where they came from? Fuck of a lot cheaper than putting them in prison.

[DaddyHalbucks]

The guy was illegal. I am glad he was forced to pay taxes. Why should he be treated any better than anyone else?

Enforce the laws that we have, evenly.

[Digipimp]

You lost someone on your side, and I can guarantee you, about 80% of the white people I talk to are now feeling the same way..the tide is turning against you.

thanks for speaking for "white people," idiot

[HighEnergy]

"They are treating me like a criminal when all I am is a working man," he said.

That's because he is a criminal!

In eleven years he made no attempt to establish citizenship. He didn't even bother to learn English.

[pr0]

wow what a retard....

he should have gone to 500 ....7-11's in a couple of weeks like the rest of them do

why do you think Western Union ATM machines are so popular now?

[pr0]

Fuck all illegals...send them all to jail!

yea until you get hit for a "community standards" charge & end up sleeping in a cell with them right?

[Big_Red]

yea until you get hit for a "community standards" charge & end up sleeping in a cell with them right?

you are absolutely correct. deport them.

[BradM]

How many of you above have immigrated to the USA or ANY other country in the world and became a citizen?

[BradM]

"They are treating me like a criminal when all I am is a working man," he said.

That's because he is a criminal!

In eleven years he made no attempt to establish citizenship. He didn't even bother to learn English.

Good points. I find it hard to have sympathy for a guy like that. The INS aren't total assholes. If you make an effort, they make an effort to care.

[bobby666]

yep, illegal is not legal

[Matt 26z]

If he worked for it who cares

Let me explain this in the simplest of terms. I encourage everyone to run this by anyone who supports the illegals. They become a deer caught in the headlights.

Let's say you own a store next to a factory that employs both legal citizens and illegal immigrants.

Every day when work lets out, some of the legals stop by your store and buy from you. The illegals never do. Why? Because they are saving their money, living frugal and sending their paychecks back home.

In other words, if the factory hired only legal citizens you would sell more goods. You would probably also have to hire more employees to handle the extra customers. These employees would in turn put money back into the local economy through the paycheck you gave them and so on.

Now do you see the problem?

The illegals disrupt the cycle of money flow that is vital to keeping communities alive.

[minusonebit]

There are two types of illegal immigrants.

Those who just want a better life, will be a productive member of society and will support their new country in every way even though they may not be legal (yet).

Then there are the illegal immigrant leaches. They come with the sole purpose of exporting cash back to their homeland. The very money that should be going into the local economy. These people never pay taxes either.

Here is one such case...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/imm...ies&eref=yahoo

Not only should he have lost the $59,000, he should be headed to prison.

What makes this a shocking story is not the figure. It's that he tried to export the entire $59,000 at once. Most of these guys are smart enough to send it little by little.


What is your take on this?

Should a citizen of one country be allowed to funnel money out of communities and send it back to his home country?

LOL, what a fucking moron.

He should have taken it down to Western Union or Morney Gram, they gladly would have helped him send it over $800 at a time - no ID needed.

On Friday, at most Texas border Wal-Marts, you have to wait behind 20-30 spics at the customer service counter waiting to send transfers. INS should setup at a Wal-Mart and watch who uses the Money Gram line.

[FezBucks]

Lou Dobbs is the worst.

How many 9/11 hijackers came across the Mexican border? None? Zero? Zilch?

We can't secure our airport borders yet these populists want to build an entire fence along the Mexican border, only to be torn down in 20 years just like every other fence in history.

[minusonebit]

Lou Dobbs is the worst.

How many 9/11 hijackers came across the Mexican border? None? Zero? Zilch?

We can't secure our airport borders yet these populists want to build an entire fence along the Mexican border, only to be torn down in 20 years just like every other fence in history.

Congratulations, you're an idiot.

No terrorists have come across the Mexican border... that we know of. You'd like us to wait to secure the border until some do? Or maybe you'd like to wait for the mushroom cloud to rise above a major metropolitan area, announcing the first terrorist act involving a nuclear bomb.

Airport security is a fucking joke. Its not even important. Uncontrolled immigration - not worthless airport security - caused 9/11. Airport security just happened to be the last safety measure in a long line of saftey measures to fail. Had those fucking sand n1ggers been properly vetted before they crawled into our country, we wouldn't had a 9/11.

All of this, of course, assumes you buy the idea that 9/11 was committed by middle eastern hi-jackers and Al Quedia and not US government operatives hell bent on putting their police state agenda on the fast track to implementation. The jury is still out on this and I am personally split about 50/50 between the options. But even if 9/11 was committed by the government or others on its behalf, fixing the immigration clusterfuck cant hurt us so we should do it and reap the obvious, numerous benifiets of doing so.

[Vick!]

What is your take on this?

Should a citizen of one country be allowed to funnel money out of communities and send it back to his home country?

I guess if he pays taxes the money belong to him and he have right to send it to anywhere.

[d-null]

for most of us, our ancestors came to this continent some time ago from somewhere else, legalities are just laws that are made to suit a current situation, and laws, whether or not they are just or not, are always changeing....and the illegals that come are serving a purpose here... hence the lack of enforcement of many of those 'laws'

[kane]

You might be surprised how much money illegals (and legal immigrants) actually send home. I used to work a pretty big company and one of the janitors that always worked in our area was a immigrant from Mexico. In Mexico he was a teacher, but he made so little money that he couldn't afford to support his family. He was able to get a work visa so he came to the US. He said he works two jobs and sends about half of his earnings home to his wife and kids.

If you go to any city that has a lot of migrant works or immigrants/illegals in it you will find a handful of those stores where all the signs are in Spanish and all they provide is calling cards and cheap money transfers. I had read that the amount they send out of the country reaches close to a billion a year.

[minusonebit]

for most of us, our ancestors came to this continent some time ago from somewhere else, legalities are just laws that are made to suit a current situation, and laws, whether or not they are just or not, are always changeing....and the illegals that come are serving a purpose here... hence the lack of enforcement of many of those 'laws'

And what purpose would that be?

I have yet to find a single thing that an illegal immigrant is good for expect fucking my country in the ass without a condom, spreading STDs, making babies, bankrupting social assistance programs and getting people to feel sorry for them. Oh, and working cheap so that corporate America can get away with paying less than the going rate for work while the rest of us suffer and are forced to compete with these fuckers. And none of those are good things.

So what purpose do they serve here? Show me one good thing an illegal immigrant

I guess if he pays taxes the money belong to him and he have right to send it to anywhere.

Not if he didn't have a right to be here in the first place to make the money he doesn't. IF he paid taxes on it, I say give him a refund of his taxes, after subtracting his expense to our society.

[sortie]

There are two types of illegal immigrants.

Those who just want a better life, will be a productive member of society and will support their new country in every way even though they may not be legal (yet).

Then there are the illegal immigrant leaches. They come with the sole purpose of exporting cash back to their homeland. The very money that should be going into the local economy. These people never pay taxes either.

Here is one such case...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/imm...ies&eref=yahoo

Not only should he have lost the $59,000, he should be headed to prison.

What makes this a shocking story is not the figure. It's that he tried to export the entire $59,000 at once. Most of these guys are smart enough to send it little by little.


What is your take on this?

Should a citizen of one country be allowed to funnel money out of communities and send it back to his home country?

As far as sending the money back to another country: Where do you think the money goes when you bought that Toyota you're driving?

If you get a signup from another country do you send the money back?

[munki]

A couple people need to check thier family trees before chirping in here...

[minusonebit]

As far as sending the money back to another country: Where do you think the money goes when you bought that Toyota you're driving?

If you get a signup from another country do you send the money back?

Toyota didn't jump over the fence in the middle of the night or setup its US office in a fucking trailer that they move every time the "heat" gets too close or the bills come due. Toyota doesn't go into the emergency room and seek treatment for injuries and then not pay the bill. Toyota doesn't drive uninsured cars and cause accidents then run away or show empty hands and mouth full of broken teeth to the cop and explain that the victims are shit out of luck as far as redress goes.

Not really the same thing, is it?

[calibra]

He was illegal and this is bad he must be charged with it. But having seized all the money which he had saved working I-don't-know-how-many-hours that really sucks. Not stealing, not pushing, not killing but working fucking hard and saving every damned cent. That's fucked up. And wy can't anyone take the money out of the country if it's HIS/HER money?

[sortie]

People keep saying "he didn't pay taxes".

Last I heard, legal workers with work visas still do not have to pay taxes.

The government can't tax non-citizens.

Maybe the law has changed though. Does anyone know the answer for sure?

[kane]

People keep saying "he didn't pay taxes".

Last I heard, legal workers with work visas still do not have to pay taxes.

The government can't tax non-citizens.

Maybe the law has changed though. Does anyone know the answer for sure?

I think you are correct, but I'm not sure. I think this is a good argument why it might be a good idea to get rid of all income taxes and install an nationwide sales tax. That way if these people buy cars and things like that they are paying some taxes.

[pocketkangaroo]

Let me explain this in the simplest of terms. I encourage everyone to run this by anyone who supports the illegals. They become a deer caught in the headlights.

Let's say you own a store next to a factory that employs both legal citizens and illegal immigrants.

Every day when work lets out, some of the legals stop by your store and buy from you. The illegals never do. Why? Because they are saving their money, living frugal and sending their paychecks back home.

In other words, if the factory hired only legal citizens you would sell more goods. You would probably also have to hire more employees to handle the extra customers. These employees would in turn put money back into the local economy through the paycheck you gave them and so on.

Now do you see the problem?

The illegals disrupt the cycle of money flow that is vital to keeping communities alive.

And if the factory could only hire legal citizens, perhaps he wouldn't be in business. Perhaps he couldn't find enough people to work there, or pay enough to keep them. Then that store next to the factory has no business.

[pocketkangaroo]

I think you are correct, but I'm not sure. I think this is a good argument why it might be a good idea to get rid of all income taxes and install an nationwide sales tax. That way if these people buy cars and things like that they are paying some taxes.

They would then just buy used cars.

[d-null]

People keep saying "he didn't pay taxes".

Last I heard, legal workers with work visas still do not have to pay taxes.

The government can't tax non-citizens.

Maybe the law has changed though. Does anyone know the answer for sure?

I know the answer, and the IRS doesn't care if you are a citizen or legal resident or illegal resident. Any illegal can call up the IRS and they will give you a tax id number card (which is like social security card) and they will not ever ask or care if you are legal or illegal.

Once you are in the country and as long as you pay your taxes that are due the IRS is your friend, legal or illegal they don't care.

[jtpornstar]

"Illegals" come because they can find gainful and ready employment. To that end...some responsibility should be shouldered by employers who can quickly verify the legal status of their worker applicants. All the US government has to do is come down harder on employers, and they'll stop hiring cheap labour. But then again, have you any idea just how much your basic fruit and veg would cost, how much more that restaurant meal might be, if it wasn't for "illegals". To get an idea...ask anyone here who outsources!

[Linguist]

A couple people need to check thier family trees before chirping in here...

Comments like this piss me the fuck off. I'm a first generation immigrant, meaning I came into this country from another country. And guess what?

I DID IT LEGALLY.

It took my family 6 years of paperwork to get here. The country WANTED my family here. There is a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration that some of you seem to fail to comprehend. I bet if the guy was in USA on greencard and bothered to learn English none of this would have happened.

[V_RocKs]

Why not? We would get thrown into prison over in their countries if we did these things.

[kane]

"Illegals" come because they can find gainful and ready employment. To that end...some responsibility should be shouldered by employers who can quickly verify the legal status of their worker applicants. All the US government has to do is come down harder on employers, and they'll stop hiring cheap labour. But then again, have you any idea just how much your basic fruit and veg would cost, how much more that restaurant meal might be, if it wasn't for "illegals". To get an idea...ask anyone here who outsources!

Actually they did a story on this on CNN. They said that people claiming fruits and veggies would go way up in price is a myth. They said if veggie farmers doubled or in some cases even tripled wages to get them to a point where a lot of different people would be willing to do that job it would cost the average american family about $50 more per year.

[kane]

They would then just buy used cars.

True, but to me the only way for a national sales tax to work instead of income tax is if you tax basically all non-essential items. Don't tax groceries and toilet paper or medicine, but if you go out to eat there would be a tax on it. Put the tax on beer and soda and foods that are luxury items. People could still buy used, but I know a lot of illegals that go to a Mexican restaurant near my house (they make the best fucking nacho ) they would be taxed on their dinner there or when they buy their beer and cigarettes and cowboy boots and a lot of other things.

[Fap]

edit: just read

[DamageX]

Not only should he have lost the $59,000, he should be headed to prison.

So he can cost the taxpayers even more?

[jtpornstar]

Kane,
Hmmm....
According to the American Farm Bureau, :
1. The average farmer sees around 22% of the retail price.
2. 90% of Californian farm workers are illegal.
3. The average wage is $9.31 per/hour and farmers struggle to find workers.
Though I've no way to verify your figure of a $50 increase in the average family grocery bill, it would still represent a 4% increase for the poorest in your state. A doubling or even tripling of wages would certainly be passed on to the consumer. Or the US gov could step in and start handing out subsidies to farmers....but thanks to the WTO that's not really an option any more. No, it would be cheaper to import fruit and veg. As with many other industries, farming would be "outsourced".
Do some of the people here really believe that the absence of cheap labour will lead Americans to settle for lower wages? Reduced labour supply drives up the price of labour, and higher domestic labour costs drives jobs abroad.
On the bright side, all those illegals who are caught, could be forced to work for free. Problem solved.

[Ramster]

Take his money. He worked illegally and did not pay taxes and he worked illegally the entire time.

[pocketkangaroo]

True, but to me the only way for a national sales tax to work instead of income tax is if you tax basically all non-essential items. Don't tax groceries and toilet paper or medicine, but if you go out to eat there would be a tax on it. Put the tax on beer and soda and foods that are luxury items. People could still buy used, but I know a lot of illegals that go to a Mexican restaurant near my house (they make the best fucking nacho ) they would be taxed on their dinner there or when they buy their beer and cigarettes and cowboy boots and a lot of other things.

The tax would need to be high, especially if you aren't taxing basic items. The fair tax calls for a 22% sales tax, and that includes basic items. You'd be looking at a 35% tax rate on your non-essential items. Don't you feel that the economy would be dramatically halted by penalizing people for buying non-essential goods?

[woj]

People keep saying "he didn't pay taxes".

Last I heard, legal workers with work visas still do not have to pay taxes.

The government can't tax non-citizens.

Maybe the law has changed though. Does anyone know the answer for sure?

He earns so little he wouldn't pay any taxes anyway, if he was legal he would probably even get financial aid from the government...

[Pipecrew]

thanks for speaking for "white people," idiot

He speaks for the white trash, not the educated.

[SykkBoy]

We should just invade Mexico and make them become the 51st state and then there won't be any issues...

;-)

[BradM]

Let me explain this in the simplest of terms. I encourage everyone to run this by anyone who supports the illegals. They become a deer caught in the headlights.

Maybe you explained it too simply, because what you said is stupid.

US Dollars are minted in the US correct? Where else in the world are US Dollars accepted as currency? Almost anywhere in the world, right? Where do you think those US Dollars go when they have been spent somewhere else? A bank perhaps? Where does the bank send them? Back to the US, perhaps?

The US doesn't lose money when people Moneygram shit out. That's just something uneducated dolts tell you to scare you when you see a Mexican.

[SykkBoy]

We should just invade Mexico and make them become the 51st state and then there won't be any issues...

;-)