That is correct, except for the fact that over and over again the USA has always bet on the wrong horses.

Today, in Afghanistan, Premier Hamid Karzai is basically the mayor of Kabul .... and was imposed by the USA ( came back from exile ).
In Iraq, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is also a " plant " that was in exile, chosen by the USA after Chaladi became an embarassement.
Now, for Iran, the USA would like to install the " exiled crown prince " Reza Pahlavi. This is the last guy that moderate iranians want to see in power.

and I could go on .....

Here's what I know about Afghanistan:

We supported Osama against the Russian invasion which led to the Taliban taking control. Then we bombed the Taliban out; and for the last couple of weeks Karzai (president of Afghanistan) has offered the Taliban high goverment offices to stop the fighting.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070930/....R5DvTLiOs0NUE

Sounds like you are advocating that we engage in another complete failure.

bla bla bla .... as usual.

Everyone knows why we are there. Oil. The same reason the British controlled parts of Iran as well as the old Soviet Union. Iran has a shitload of oil.

But almost every powerful country in this world takes advantage of other countries. It's just part of how the world works, the US is not exclusive to this tactic. It doesn't mean it's right, but to single out the US as the only country that does it is just wrong.

as if Vietnam was not enough.

I think the dutch should pay the reparations for slavery, since they started the slave trade :pimp

You just assume that every US citizen supports the war in Iraq. Here's a news flash...we were sold a bill of goods that there were WMD's in Iraq. As much as we would all like to think that we are informed, the fact of the matter is we have to trust our government and hope they are right, because as citizens how are we to know? By reading a few alternative news sources? How do we know who is right and who is wrong?

After we found out the WMD's were a lie we were rightfully pissed, but many of us tried to rationalize it by saying at least we freed an oppressed people. Now we are seeing that those oppressed people fucking hate each other, let alone us. As much of a piece of shit as Saddam was it is obvious why he ruled with an iron fist...because that is the only way to insure stability in the region. We never should have gone there in the first place, but that is a situation that won't be rectified until Bush is out of office.

Depends on what you feel the US government wants out of the deal. Does Karzai let us pump all the fucking oil we want through his countries pipelines? If so, do you really think Bush gives two shits what else goes on in the country? Same for Maliki. The guy could run the country into the ground but if Bush and the oil companies can pump out that oil and get their big contracts, they really don't give a shit.

Despite what we say about how dumb the administration is, they knew this would happen. There is an interview with Cheney from like 15 years ago where he says exactly what will happen if you remove Saddam from power. He knew it, they knew it, but they also knew that in 2008 they won't have to deal with this shit and their friends will have some fat pockets.

How was supporting the Taliban during the Russian invasion a complete failure? It directly led to the downfall of the Soviet Union, which is exactly why we did it. We had to make a lot of tough choices to support complete scum bags during the Cold War, and a lot of those choices are coming back to bite us in the ass, but politically that was a different time.

>We put IRAN AGAINST IRAQ....then it back & install our puppets all over. >Just like the last time

Dude, the reason Iran and Iraq stopped fighting each other to begin with was so that Iraq could fight the US in the first gulf war.

The Iraqi shiites will fight for Iran dude. If Iran is supplying weapons like the US charges then they are supplying the shiites.

The sunnis wanted the fight with Iran and the sunnis are out of power since Sadam.

Turn the "faux" news off bro. They are feeding you some off the wall BS.

Sure, Iran does have a shitload of oil - and that belongs to Iran and no other nation.

Having an agressive bully on the block is no excuse - whether that is/was the old Soviet block or the more "civilized" US - they are both shit for playing the bully game and totally deserve a hard kick in the ass for their interference. It's ironic a nation attempts to stand on "righteous" grounds while attempting to thieve from other nations and killing many 1000's in the process. That is not justifiable in any way and sure as hell will reap the fruit of this conduct. Whether that nation is the US or others - it matters little - they are still theives.

Kinda makes you wonder what the source of "terrorism" is in the Middle East - hardly a surprise pk.

Luckily I, along with 90% of GFY, now have directfiesta on ignore, so I don't have to listen to his ridiculous bullshit. I don't generally like to follow the crowd, but this is one time they are right...

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that every major country does it in the history of civilization. Whether it's China, Russia, or the United States. Big countries always use little countries.

The issue was Afghanistan not Russia. And Afghanistan is a complete failure with the president begging the Taliban for a cease fire and offering them their jobs back.

Nope - not assuming anything.

Sure, there were lies and the main reason was an attempt to grab oil - liars always will exist, especially when they get desperate for whatever reason.

And agree - US people were conned and told a diatribe of utter propaganda and how to hate other countries - from the "French" to Iraq. The sad part is they believed it.

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I just remember in which thread I rubbed your face over and over again in the shit that you produce...

So, explain again how Iranians are arabs .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...0#post13083350

what an imbecile you are .... :1orglaugh

You are completely missing the point. Supporting the Taliban was the lesser of two evils during the Soviet invasion, and in the end it did exactly what we hoped it would do. It was a huge (and many experts say the main) contributor to the fall of the Soviet Union, and I would much rather deal with the fallout of Afghanistan now than to still be in the midst of the Cold War, wondering if this was going to be the day one side flinched and pushed the button.

I decided to take you off ignore for a second, and the only imbecile here is you, shit stain. The Iranians are Persians in name only, as their original culture was almost completely assimilated to Islam when they were first conquered. So for all intensive purposes, they are an Arab nation as far as I and many are concerned. Now please do the rest of us a favor and go kill yourself, loser...

Sure.. can see where you are coming from pk and agree.

The difference is in the word "civilized" - that drops out the window when abuse starts and leads to contempt. Whether it was the British at one time, Soviets at another or the US currently - the end result is the same - contempt and total lack of sympathy when the settlement time comes.

Only a passing :2 cents: - there will never be any "satisfaction" in playing aggressive games with the Middle East. That region has survived centuries of abuse in some form or other and have successfully fought it off. Doubt they will dream of "giving up" now - it's not even on the table for discussion :pimp

Thanks for the course ..
I will consult all your backup data, as you always supply tons of it.
Me, on the other hand, I just blab away and NEVER post any backup or links... After all, if I say it, it becomes the truth ....

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I would like him to say to the face of an Iranian that he is a Persian in name only, and an arab ... the only worse thing would be to call him a jew :2 cents:

If you were in the same situation you would have believed it, too. None of us are so informed or omniscient that we know more than the government tells us, no matter how intelligent we would like to believe we are.

A lot of this would have been a moot point had the US not meddled in Israeli affairs and forced them to return oil fields they had captured in defensive wars...

Use Google if you want backup data you lazy fuck, do a little work besides running your fucking worthless mouth. Oh, and take a bath Frenchman, you fucking stink...

For you and many uneducated idiots, yes they are .... :1orglaugh

This is also false ... you should write your own book ... after all, you already write all your own fairy tales....

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001401.html

Iranians aren't Arabs....

One thing that many Americans (and Germans too as well[1]) find confusing is that Iran is not an Arab country. Mainstream publications have had to offer corrections for decades after mistakenly including Iran in a list of Arab nations or terming it an Arab nation. Here is the ethnic break-down in Iran: Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%.

The two big groups to note are the Azeris and the Persians. Persians obviously are the core ethnic group and Farsi is the national language[2]. Azeris though are not an oppressed minority, and I have read that they are over-represented in the power elite. Azeris are a Turkic group and their language is very close to the Turkish of Turkey proper, the main difference is that they are Shia rather than Sunni Muslims. Ethnic affiliations are to some extent fluid between such close groups like the Azeris, Turkomans and Turks, and even with more distant ones like Persians[3].

Persians often take great umbrage at being confused with Arabs. Authors like Robert Kaplan and V.S. Naipul have documented the Persian antipathy toward the Arabs, all the while espousing the Arab religion enthusiastically. It is rather understandable for reasons of history, geography and religion why Iran is bracketed into the Arab world in the minds of many.


Iranian 101 for deficit_of_boom ....

This message is hidden because directfiesta is on your ignore list.

In a moment of weakness I took you off my ignore list. This is MUCH better.

In all truthfulness, I really couldn't give a shit what you classify Iranians as, but you can always classify directfiesta as a worthless piece of shit.

First, I am not a Frenchman ... You seem to have a lot of problems with nationality and ethnicities .... :1orglaugh

I backup MY data .... not yours . I understand that it is the new trend in the USA to prove something by the other party not being able to disprove it ( re : WMD ...it is not because we do not find them that he doesn't have them ... He must prove he DOESN'T have them ... :warning )

Again, I rub your face in shit, and I play with you like :

http://web.mit.edu/adorai/www/cute_p...-mouse.jpg.jpg

... and I have no need to say a racist comment to look good... tough it could be easy with you.

This message is hidden because directfiesta is on your ignore list.

My guess is "blah, blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit though".

Do you seriously rely on a corrupt government to tell you the truth on anything?

Nope - I never believed it for one fleeting moment. In fact, said at the time that this was no more than a pack of lies. This may also have something to do with not believing a word of what a tosspot in government says and that has nothing to do with intelligence.

Anyone with any sense knew very well that the display provided to the UN was a series of lies - or, at least most of the world knew. The world press had already ran the stories and accompanying images of alleged "sites containing WMD" - they had been there and found no traces of WMD. Even the head of IAEA knew very well that the US was lying - he told them very clearly there was little chance of WMD and burst out laughing when asked on CNN, "Do you think Saddam will use WMD against our invading forces?".

It's a sick friggin joke and sad anyone considered this seriously - but, with plenty hate propaganda and total lying bullshit - you can convince anyone that pigs fly and 5% play violins. It's the same bullshit now with Iran - awesome that people actually believe the hate/propaganda dialog - but they do and you can lie to them multiple times over and still they believe it. Sad.

You're wrong actually. Iran didn't lose anything. It's basically one of the only Middle Eastern countries that didn't. Most people their speak Persian, it's their official language. Arabs are predominately Sunni and Iran is almost entirely Shiite.

Edit: Someone else corrected him first, my bad.

you are going to end up a shitstain on an ignore list ....

Carefull, if ProfitofBoom said it, it must, sorry, it IS true ....

Honestly dude, I couldn't care less. I just like irritating the sand in directfiesta's vagina.

Interesting and intelligent comment

if YOU were to take a trip to Iran with that mentality, i am sure you will not be well received. if a supporter of Iran were to take a trip to Iran i am sure that person will be warming received.
but i am getting the impression you are not one of those people who are open to new ideas and thinking outside of your own perspective. you sound like a patriotic government tool to me. keep our nation strong, boy! and god bless ya!

Another jackass that thinks that everyone that doesn't agree with him is a misinformed sheep. "Think outside the box, mmmaaannn!!!" Don't pretend you know me for a second, you twit. Now run along, boy, and go read a few more conspiracy theory blogs and pretend that you know it all...

african tribes started the black slave trade. they captured and sold their own kind. later sold them to the dutch. the dutch were like "ok, sounds good." :1orglaugh

please take some time to explain to us how "supporting the taliban" led "directly to the downfall of the soviet union."

I'm terrified of clowns. Does that make clowns terrorists?

wow, thats good :thumbsup

Big fucking deal.

You're kidding, right? The US supplied rockets to the Mujahideen that were entirely responsible for turning the tide of the war, as previous to this the Soviets had complete air supremacy. The Soviet economy was already weak at the time because their oil reserves were dwindling and they were overspending on their military, and they ended up incurring such a huge financial loss from the war that it put their economy in a tailspin. The main reason the US supported the Mujahideen was to get the USSR involved in a quagmire, and that is exactly what they did, only it ended up being the death blow the Soviets never recovered from. That enough explanation for you?

uh ohh I'm already scared

The Dutch were the biggest slave traders in the 1600's, but the first Europeans to grab blacks from Africa were the Portuguese. Before them the Arabs were their biggest buyers.

Most intelligent post ever.

USSR wanted to get rid of terrorism in Russia ... coming from Afghanistan .... familiar ????
And the USA supported terrorists just like they claim that Iran supports terrorism in Iraq....

Another re-writing of facts .. naturally, he did back it up ... with .... nothing as usual


Seems the USA got played a repeat by Bin Laden .....


Get an education, it is urgent.

The USA are funding the MKO to hassle the Iranian goverment, in just about every democratic country including the USA and Iran the MKO are on the terrorist list.

Now, a quote from Mr. Bush - "If you support terrorism, you are a terrorist"

This is just one reason that makes Iran's descision to label the US as terrorists justified.

Oh and by the way to the people saying go to Iran and see how you are treated - I'm a white british born person, and I had to work in Iran for 3 years, they are some of the nicest people you will meet, it's just another sterotype that they are animals.

I am not surprised, it should have been done years ago.

That article reads like it was written for SE's

Can't you guys see that they are just doing what the Iranians are telling them to do. No western government will ever have influence over the Arabs. They will form alliances with each other and work in the shadows to undermine anything we do. They only understand violence and bloodshed.

I was??

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How the heck is George W. Bush similar to a fictional nanny who travels by the wind with her umbrella?

Since you need some help understanding my original post, here it is. It's called: hyperbole. Look it up if you don't know what it means.

Did you even read the article before you posted it? That article is from 2004 and relates to the current known oil reserves in russia. Before the soviet dissolution the oil reserves were indeed dwindling because we didn't know how much oil we were really sitting on nor did we have the capability to tap it even if we did. I am a russian and you obviously have no clue about my country or what you are talking about. Maybe you should learn to read before you tell others to get an education.