Saturation of internet porn.... is it coming?

[The Ghost]

Many online producers are unaware of the vast amount of video porn content that has been produced over the last 20 years. Even more are unaware that a majority of it is just sitting in a vault somewhere. In the coming 1-2 years, I can sense the flood gates opening and an IMMENSE amount of new programs starting.

Many have said that golden (and silver) years of internet porn are over. Where do you see the business in the next 3 years? Discuss.

[Egomancer]

Well, the quality of the images in the movies sucks as it is. It is enough to just make and put some movies at the DVD quality all the old porn is obsolete...

Egomancer

[u-Bob]

ok, see sig.

[reed_4]

Are you not excited to see that the porn is evolving and it keeps on improving?

[Quagmire]

I think more and more people are going to come to expect HD quality porn as the format becomes more common. With home networking and being able to send stuff to your TV, watching people bump uglies in a 5x5 square on your monitor is going to go out of fashion for people who want to pay decent money for porn.

Things like XTV and PPV services where you can send HD quality content to your TV will start to push the older content to the side.

[Quagmire]

I think more and more people are going to come to expect HD quality porn as the format becomes more common. With home networking and being able to send stuff to your TV, watching people bump uglies in a 5x5 square on your monitor is going to go out of fashion for people who want to pay decent money for porn.

Things like XTV and PPV services where you can send HD quality content to your TV will start to push the older content to the side.

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

I think more and more people are going to come to expect HD quality porn as the format becomes more common. With home networking and being able to send stuff to your TV, watching people bump uglies in a 5x5 square on your monitor is going to go out of fashion for people who want to pay decent money for porn.

Things like XTV and PPV services where you can send HD quality content to your TV will start to push the older content to the side.

So what would you estimate the timeframe on this to be? 3 years? 10 years? Also, what is the definition of 'decent money' to be paid for porn? What I've seen is prices continue to drop and quantity increase. The exact same thing occured in the saturation of the adult VHS/DVD market.

As far as marketing goes, it seems many companies are banking that they will have enough market share that when other companies fail, they will have the entire pie all to themselves. But it seems there is no thought given to all to the new companies that crop up to take the place of those failed companies.

From experience, there are three basic kinds of porn:

1. Compilation porn: Porn that is sold by price and volume. Some good, some bad, but all grouped into the same catagory. Most bought content is in this catagory.

2. Niche porn - Not as big of sales but a loyal customer base

3. Mainstream, well marketed porn. This is porn from well branded companies.

For the longest time, it seemed that internet porn strived on providing content that was not available in adult video stores. In an essence, providing content that was thought to be 'underground' and 'real'.

Now the internet is viewed as a platform delivery for every type of porn. And with the eventual elimination of the adult DVD market, and the elimination of the need to deliver solid product to individuals, where will all of the studios go?

The only place they can.

[polish_aristocrat]

good business thread, althoguh there's another one about it already ;)


https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/585158-biz-thread-online-adult-industry-5-10-a.html


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[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

good business thread, althoguh there's another one about it already ;)


https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/585158-biz-thread-online-adult-industry-5-10-a.html


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Thanks P.A... there's not enough of these

[ElvisManson]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

I think more and more people are going to come to expect HD quality porn as the format becomes more common. With home networking and being able to send stuff to your TV, watching people bump uglies in a 5x5 square on your monitor is going to go out of fashion for people who want to pay decent money for porn.

Things like XTV and PPV services where you can send HD quality content to your TV will start to push the older content to the side.

The members area for our new www.python.com high def sites have high def vids on wmv-hd and QT h.264 at 720p

[detoxed]

I heard it 5 years ago, people always want the newest hot stars and people will look at what you tell them to look at.

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by detoxed

I heard it 5 years ago, people always want the newest hot stars and people will look at what you tell them to look at.

5 years ago the vast majority of porn was still sold on VHS

[SilentKnight]

For the past few years we've toyed with the idea of going into video production - to compliment our still photography. But having worked as a video editor for Canada's largest adult vid distributor in the past, I found myself rather burned out from all the hours of editing badly shot crap. The stuff I was required to edit, mass dupe and shuffle along to the retail stores was abysmally poor.

So I still have those experiences in mind these days - and I've always resolved that I didn't want to do video until I could ensure that it was elevated in both image quality and content...at least to match our still photography.

As for saturation, I think you have to break video down into different categories based on quality before attempting to answer the saturation question. Certainly there's a glut of crap out there, both online as well as in the video/dvd rental stores. But I get the sense there's still a significant consumer demand for good quality stuff (both in content and visual quality).

[I_Do_Templates]

There will be always something unique to offer. Also, old stuff can be considered as new and in fashion.

[Morgan]

coming? all porn gets saturated with time. fortunately, the cycle continues. (online is here to stay)

[AllStar]

Originally Posted by The Ghost

Many online producers are unaware of the vast amount of video porn content that has been produced over the last 20 years. Even more are unaware that a majority of it is just sitting in a vault somewhere. In the coming 1-2 years, I can sense the flood gates opening and an IMMENSE amount of new programs starting.

Many have said that golden (and silver) years of internet porn are over. Where do you see the business in the next 3 years? Discuss.

absolutely not...lol In a vault?
what are you talking about?
There is a lot of content around and you are right. 100% however tastes change. scenes become dated after 2 years even before.
Golden years over? yes absolutely!! You can just purchase traffic now.
Why? well cause internet guys on a whole are cheap and try to squueze a 10,000% profit? The video guys are lucky if they double their money and they shoot every fuckin day!
Also more quality is coming into the internet market...the video guys still to a degree don't understand the market but they will and that will give a level playing feild.
Internet guys are all over the world porn is based in about 5 or 6 regions of the world(shooting that is) Well what is so important about that? well fresh and good talent take your pick that is what sells. So from what I see most guys are too cheap to spend the $$$ on internet content and get second rate girls.
Now take alook at the big intenet companies? they pay money for the girls and to the shooters and get good stuff. I think what you will see is that most of the guys here on this board having a shrinking share of the market place unless they directly shoot their own content or open up their purse strings alittle more.
The guys who are gonna always make good money...well the companies on this board who can make strong alianses and be able to understand they are distributors and sell other peoples contenet. How do you think Meatcash got soo big so quickly?

Also the guys spending money on marketing, buying traffic and advertising on print and online. The days of guys needed a lot of affiliates are slowly coming to an end. Google and the rest of the search engines will simply be a directory like yellow pages the more you pay the higher your listing ;)

Anyway Great Post Ghost their are some really great thoughts you have!

[The Ghost]

*** Bump ***

[PussyTeenies]

see my sig for new porn

[KRL]

Porn is a drug and no matter how much people view, they can't get enough of it.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by KRL

Porn is a drug and no matter how much people view, they can't get enough of it.

Best comment so far. Just keep an eye on the trends and react on it.

[BusterBunny]

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[reynold]

I saw it coming.

[Pryda]

this thread looks very wide on my computer

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Pryda

this thread looks very wide on my computer

i think i did that when i messed up the link i put in my reply....its kinda cool looking tho

[flashfire]

people will pay for quality porn

[maxxx_fucktor]

Originally Posted by Pryda

this thread looks very wide on my computer

yeah, and that scares me.

[Expo_Vids]

Hey guys, please shut the fuck up about "HD PORN". 99% of that is shot on shit cams anyway. And I can make better looking video on a standard def format then these jerkoffs bragging about "HD".

If a guy is sitting there with his cock in his hand he does not give a fuck if the video is "HD" or SD. He just cares if the video lets him rum one more load of ball snot out without having to work too hard.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

For the past few years we've toyed with the idea of going into video production - to compliment our still photography. But having worked as a video editor for Canada's largest adult vid distributor in the past, I found myself rather burned out from all the hours of editing badly shot crap. The stuff I was required to edit, mass dupe and shuffle along to the retail stores was abysmally poor.

Welcome to my world...

I think Porn's popularity will keep decreasing until the introduction of SMELL-O-VISION! Then we shall see a short boom in sales

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Welcome to my world...

I think Porn's popularity will keep decreasing until the introduction of SMELL-O-VISION! Then we shall see a short boom in sales

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by Expo_Vids

Hey guys, please shut the fuck up about "HD PORN". 99% of that is shot on shit cams anyway. And I can make better looking video on a standard def format then these jerkoffs bragging about "HD".

If a guy is sitting there with his cock in his hand he does not give a fuck if the video is "HD" or SD. He just cares if the video lets him rum one more load of ball snot out without having to work too hard.

Agreed. Right now HD is purely a marketing tool. It would seem that when the internet eventually takes the place of the conventional television set, and when the increased resolution of true HD is utilized, that it would matter. But as you said, just having HD equipment does not make the quality any better.

More importantly, having HD does not automatically make for good porn. Again, it is purely a marketing tool, something flashy to put on a website or DVD. Porn is all about arousal and stimulation, and there are plenty of movies that were made 10 years ago that I can still beat off to.

[The Ghost]

*** One last bump ***

[reynold]

I wasn't surprised.

[vvq]

the majority of the world isn't even online yet.

[Paul Markham]

I have been telling people for years that the mainstream porn guys are coming. Last time I said it allowed in public at a seminar Lensman was running he told me they had done nothing in the past, look at their Alexa ratings.

This was while Playboays check was clearing in his bank.

The only things stopping the mainstream coming are as follows.

1. They don't think it's worth it.
This is changing by the day, a lot of porn companies are now seeing healthy returns from the Internet.

2. Scared it will hurt there mainstream business via piracy or falling sales.
They know it will happen whether they are here or not.

3. Programming/building a site.
[i]Biggest problem and the stumbling block for many, they simply do not hire the right technical staff.

4. Traffic.
[i]Some already have traffic and simply do not need affiliates. Could anyone here tell me the name of a site that turns over more than $2,000,000 without a single affiliate, gallery or banner on the Internet other than it's own site? I know the answer.

The big boys are coming whether you like it or not. Some are already here. Score, Private, Hustler, Wicked, Evil Angel, Playboy, PRO, and many more. Yes some are getting it wrong, but don't assume they will continue to do so.

The argument about porn trands changing all the time it false, otherwise sites with content over two years would be dead. Porn companies like Anabolic have years and sometimes decades of good porn sitting in their archives. Porn they spent a bit more than $2,000 to shoot. For them the Internet is the next step forward.

The people who are safe are those like Lightspeed, solo girl was never a big video seller, the companies who should be watching themselves are the ones shooting Gonzo (POV). The Evil Angels and Anabolics are masters at this.

The mainstream porn companies can see the money made on the Internet, they see us booking the models they thought we could not afford, they see me saying "Magazines are a sideline now". Don't assume they will stay away or keep getting it wrong when they do come.

And anyone who thinks buying a HD camera is going to make bad porn into good porn is an idiot. And probably would not have a clue how to use the camera. Porn is in the mind of the producer, not the lens.

[webgurl]

Originally Posted by The Ghost

5 years ago the vast majority of porn was still sold on VHS

uuuum no 5 years ago was 2001
Internet porno was pretty establised by that time .
Most of the top dawg paysite affiliate programs
were formed in 97/98 already

[Theo]

Originally Posted by webgurl

uuuum no 5 years ago was 2001
Internet porno was pretty establised by that time .
Most of the top dawg paysite affiliate programs
were formed in 97/98 already

only few of them are still around. If you stay static and not progress you are gone.

[bellskids]

good post paul

[brentschn]

There's alot of it out there, but the folks who key in on niche's and do it very well will win in the long run.

[webgurl]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

only few of them are still around. If you stay static and not progress you are gone.

Well yes ...... but that is irrelevant to the prior post "the ghost"
made about porn being on VHS 5 yrs ago ...
I stated by 2001 porn on the internet was growing and
going on already .

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Morgan

coming? all porn gets saturated with time. fortunately, the cycle continues. (online is here to stay)

My point
More and more people will get a connection so it can't go wrong

You just need to offer something different than the masses

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by webgurl

Well yes ...... but that is irrelevant to the prior post "the ghost"
made about porn being on VHS 5 yrs ago ...
I stated by 2001 porn on the internet was growing and
going on already .

I probably wasn't clear in my comments. What I was trying to say was 5 years ago the big studios were conflicted whether to make the permanent move to DVD, over the tried and true VHS sales model. This was perpetuated by many of the old timers in the business, scared from getting previously burned with CD Roms and what not. Many of these guys owned VHS replication labs as well and did not want to invest into moving to DVD labs.

Needless to say DVD came even with these objections.

So moving the content online wasn't even a consideration for most of these companies. They were still focusing on selling solid media, and some still are. But now more and more are getting more savvy. Hell, how old is Evil Angels affiliate program, and they are one of the biggest dogs in sales of quality solid media porn?

[The Ghost]

Everyone was all over the place in this thread. Bump for the crappy formatting BusterBunny did in here

[The Ghost]

Yearly bump.......