ok matt lmao,, why would the principal address the situation, why were nooses placed on the tree....that territorial huh? lmao,,,

spacedoog i agree with everything you said,,,but not this statement
As far as the group of white kids beating the black boy, of course they should have been charged, but that has NOTHING to do with the 6 young men in Jena who were charged with attempted murder. that why blacks are in uproar,, because why wasnt they charged,,,thats what i been trying to say to everyone in this thread...yes the black guys should got charged,, but should been tried as adult and got that excessive time...but no white counterpart recieved nothing...

Did anyone even call the police for that particular incident?

Who knows why? I sure don't know why & I'm not going to make any assumptions without the facts, BUT, one COULD speculate racism.. BUT..

maybe no one called the cops
maybe the black boy didn't want to press charges
maybe the white boys family members know somebody in legal system & did whatever to hush hush it..

who fucking knows.. ask them down in Jena why..

and that why all those people went down there,,, to get an answer......

What I'm saying is that this likely started out as a very small issue, and the black kids probably played the race card first (this is the way it usually goes, and you know it). Then the whites said, fine, you want to do the race game, we'll play. From there the whole thing would have blown up.

nevermind.

yeah, I said that, blacks are louder than everyone at first with the racism shit.

Do those white boys have prior convictions for violent crime like in this case?

Seems like a reason to me.. sometimes cops let people go if they have no history.. Just a possibility.. I don't know much about the other incident

so you'd support 6 white guys beating up a black kid if the white guys felt threatend by them because the black guys were being racist towards him?
yes i would........i have been in that situation in the past,,, i went to a black college, and one of my best friends at college was white man...

In every black ghetto theres a few white trash families who are the minorities, so they can now beatup blacks if the blacks are racist??? NO.
why would they,.. most families i know whom live in the demographic go through the same things black people whom live in that area go through... so they understand..

im not a bullshitter, you can call it what you want,, you dont know me from adam, and i dont know you,, im not trying change people over nite, i just want peeps to process this, and later change if the choose to do so,, everyone has an opinion and i respect it,, i respect your opinion about me being bullshit, thats your opinion,,but opinions change when you get to know a person or a situation.. dont judge a book by its cover,, read it first....

wow, why couldnt it just be because blacks wasnt allowed to sit under the tree.. i know you have heard of traditions,,a certain way people do things,, something that has been passed on,, not all blacks play the race card, if it was played, protests would be everywhere, everyday, every minute, and every second, come on matt,..I am from the south,, there are some towns i wouldnt would be caught dead in,, that have traditions like that matt,

wow my man...do you see any racism in this situation? its screams out loud itself doesnt it?

no i dont think they have priors....yeah sometimes.. but if your a cop in that town, and there a high alert or sense of racial tensions, what would you do, to help serve and protect your community?

dude they were allowed, no one ever said, don't sit here.
it was just frequented by white people :)
the kkk thing probably happened because the idiots went to the director to ask if they could go and sit, the director probably told everyone to not to be racist, and two or three retards made the stupid racist crap because that's what it is like in school, the dudes got their punition, and that's about it.

am I lying? it's not racism, it's just the truth dude. we just got over this subject a page ago. white people don't bitch as much as black people do when it comes to racism crap.

please read,, if they were allowed why did the black freshman ask the principThe "white tree" incident
At Jena High School, about 10% of enrolled students are African Americans and more than 85% are white. Early reporting asserted that students of different races seldom sat together, although this has been disputed.[6] According to early reports, black students typically sat on bleachers near the auditorium, while white students sat under a large tree, referred to as the "white tree" or "prep tree", in the center of the school courtyard.[5] On September 22, 2007, however, the AP reported that the "white tree" was no such thing, and that according to teachers and administrators at the school, students of all races had sat under it at one time or another.[6]

During a school assembly on August 31, 2006, a black male freshman student asked permission from the principal to sit under the "white tree."[7] According to the recounting of events given by U.S. Attorney Donald Washington, the question was posed in a "jocular fashion."[8] The principal told the students they could "sit wherever they wanted."[7] The freshman and his friends then sat under the tree.[9]

The following morning, nooses (reports differ whether there were three[5] or two[6]) were discovered hanging from the tree. It has been reported that Jena's principal learned that three white students were responsible and recommended expulsion, that the board of education overruled his recommendation, and that Superintendent Roy Breithaupt agreed with the overruling. It was initially reported that the punishment was reduced to three days of in-school suspension.[5][10] According to the Associated Press, however, the three students were isolated at an alternative school for a month, and then spent two weeks on in-school suspension.[6]

The school superintendent was quoted as saying, "Adolescents play pranks. I don't think it was a threat against anybody."[11] Black residents of Jena claim that this decision stoked racial tensions that led to subsequent events.[10] However, a black teacher described seeing both white and black students "playing with [the nooses], pulling on them, jump-swinging from them, and putting their heads through them."[6]

According to U.S. Attorney Donald Washington, the FBI agents who investigated the incident, as well as federal officials who examined it, found that it "had all the markings of a hate crime." However, it wasn't prosecuted because it failed to meet federal standards required for the teens to be certified as adults.[12] Washington, a Bush appointee, is himself black.[13]

In late July 2007, U.S. Attorney Donald Washington noted that of the more than 40 statements taken regarding the assault, none mentioned the noose incident.[8] LaSalle Parish District Attorney Reed Walters stated there was no linkage between the noose incident and the beating. "When this case was brought to me and during our investigation and during the trial, there was no such linkage ever suggested. This compact story line has only been suggested after the fact."[14]

just remember this is what being reported ......we dont know what happend in jena,, we are not there,, that why people went to protest to get answers....and make the world aware of the situation..

white people dont bitch about racism.. then why is there a group called the kkk....everyone bitches,,,

I read all this shit, and this is where I got my conclusions from.
they asked because they thought it was, and this brought the 'not being allowed' thing to a whole new level.
once it's been brought to the attention of the director it got profiled as racism.
before it was just a, white sits here, and blacks sits there thing.
there are a lot of things on the discussion part of this wikipedia article that you probably missed.
like this:

ok what else did i forget,,,,so what information was forgotten from jena?

the kkk was a racist group lead by idiotic people. that's about it.
I am not KKK, spacedog is not KKK and Matt is not KKK, yet, we are trying to tell you our point of view besides the race thing.

EDIT:
Also, I didn't say they don't bitch, they just bitch less.

just because im black im not coming at you with the race thing, im not saying your kkk,,,please read ,,, again im not disputing the kids being charged for the crime, but what about white counterparts whom did the same thing to the black kid,, i posed a question about why they wasnt charged,,,,please read through the thread,, im not saying because im black those kids shouldnt be charged.. any person whom assualts someone should be placed in jail regardless of color, race or sex... but the white counterparts were not charged for there crimes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Je...out_the_nooses

I will quote for you:

darknight so if I understand you correctly you don't want the black kids charges reduced, you want the white kids charged also?

If so, thats fair enough and reasonable. Unfortunately Al Sharpton & friends have a much more extreme reverse-racism view on this.

I agree with that.
it's just that the picture is not the same.

then i will quote for you,, i put the background part of wiki,, you posted the forum part of wiki...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_six#Background
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jena_Six

aight everyone its been fun,, but its past my bedtime,,i have to get some sleep...

sorry I was supposed to give the link of the talk page only and quote that part since it showed exactly how fucked up the situation could be about the tree shit.
the other link you posted is the front page.

School people does stupid shit, and that's about it.

yeah same here, it was nice discussing this with you. have a good night :thumbsup

this is what i want to happen,, the sentece for the young man is to excessive,, yes the guy got beat up .. but what bout his situation why didnt the white guys get charged.... if black guys got charged the white guys should have too, if the white guys are free, the black guys should be free, its only fair and equal..

I believe what Sharpton, and the other protestors, want is for the charges to be commiserate with the crime. Nothing more, nothing less. That's what the whole uproar is about. That section of the country is notorious for things like this.

Sure, the guys did a bad thing by beating the kid up. On the other hand, the kid taunted the black guys with racial slurs and such not long after a black kid was beaten up because of his race as well as other racial issues that had the town on edge.

If the shoe was on the other foot and a black kid did the taunting he should have gotten his ass kicked also. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

So, with that in mind, add the fact that the kid was well enough to go on with his life later that night.

Now, do you think attempted murder fits the crime?

That's just the american legal system.
The land of freedom, where you can sue everyone for about everything and lawyers advertise on TV.

You are right. Our system is fucked. There are so many things wrong with it we don't even know were to begin to look for a change most of the time.

This case is one where it is clear that a part of the legal system needs to be changed. Al Sharpton and his like have cried wolf a lot of times so a lot of people are having knee jerk reactions about why people are protesting based on his involvement. On top of that, the media began this issue by running articles that reported only part of the story. So lots of of folks are saying the negros are just rabble rousing.

Well, that's not true here. This isn't about getting those boys off of the hook. It's not about punishing the white guys. The protesters are there because parts of the south has to be prodded into coming into the 21st century. They want a truly fair, balanced and EQUAL justice system. It took this case for that issue to get the attention it deserved.

By protesting and marching it sends a message to the law enforcement, judges and district attorneys that they cannot continue to do the things that have traditionally gone in down there. At least, that is their hope. I don't know if I can blame them.

Can you? I'd love to hear a counter point to this.

I don't blame them. It's cool to fight about freedom and all, I think if people marched/protested more we would live in a better world.
Racism is a pretty hard subject, if you stop and think, slavery still existed a few years ago... not everyone is open minded, and this is why shit starts to hit the fan.
Some people still think that black people are the scum, and some black people like to think they are being taken as scum, so they can always win discussions by saying you're just blaming them for shit because you're a racist.

I will tell you a fucked up history, it happened back in brazil.
I was walking with a friend of mine and a group of negros appeared and started to ask why my friend looked at their eyes. I was like, wtf?
and they continued, saying they were from the hood and they deserved respect, that we were playboys, and now we should give them everything we had.
the dude stole my friends hat. and told him not to look back or try to recover his hat.
when we got home my friend was asked by his mom where was his hat, and he said that it was stolen by this black dude.
his mom happened to know the other dude's mom, and went to his house, when she got there the guy told her that he stole the hat because we were racists with him and called him names.

Ok, now, how does that give you the right to steal? Or threat someone?
In the end we ended up looking bad, even though we didn't do shit, they just hit a taboo, and this is what is happening now.

Anti racism campaigns are everywhere, in the sports, on your tv and newspaper, magazines, but it happens, and will always happen, as long as you have different races, it's not just a black/white thing.

Yes it does..

6 people repeatedly kicking an unconscious person in the face/head IS attempted murder.