Crazy arabs cut off little girl's clits

[Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE]

she dies in the process

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/wo...P++X1BsEV7dogA

[After Shock Media]

Please excuse my ignorance, aside from the fact that someone died during the process. Why is it that someone's cultural practices that others do not follow turn the other culture into being crazy?

Is it cruel in my eyes, yes. Would I do it myself, no. Am I to judge what cultural practices are right or wrong, I would say no unless it happens in my own country where a vote can decide.

[BobG]

well obviously god put the clit there by accident and wants it cut off immediately upon birth. duh

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Please excuse my ignorance, aside from the fact that someone died during the process. Why is it that someone's cultural practices that others do not follow turn the other culture into being crazy?

Is it cruel in my eyes, yes. Would I do it myself, no. Am I to judge what cultural practices are right or wrong, I would say no unless it happens in my own country where a vote can decide.

The "cultural practice" is to deny a girl (when she becomes a woman) natural sexual pleasure. It would be akin to cutting off the penis and leaving only a stub, because you don't need more than 1 inch to make babies, now do you?

Moronic male domination bullshit passed down through the ages.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Terrible.

[Michaelious]

The society isn't crazy, the practice of female circumscision is.

[GAMEFINEST]

dayam ....

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The "cultural practice" is to deny a girl (when she becomes a woman) natural sexual pleasure. It would be akin to cutting off the penis and leaving only a stub, because you don't need more than 1 inch to make babies, now do you?

Moronic male domination bullshit passed down through the ages.

That is in essence true. Though I still would not consider a culture crazy because of it.

I have read up and studied numerous practices that many would consider crazy, abuse, or out right cruelty. Oddly enough even the US has a few on that list, circumcision anyone?

[Cyber Fucker]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Please excuse my ignorance, aside from the fact that someone died during the process. Why is it that someone's cultural practices that others do not follow turn the other culture into being crazy?

Is it cruel in my eyes, yes. Would I do it myself, no. Am I to judge what cultural practices are right or wrong, I would say no unless it happens in my own country where a vote can decide.

I try never judge other people but their doing... yes, I cannot accept evil and injustice.

[spacedog]

They're sick, twisted, & barbaric savages

[Antonio]

crazy Americans bomb little Muslim girls - much better!

[Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Please excuse my ignorance, aside from the fact that someone died during the process. Why is it that someone's cultural practices that others do not follow turn the other culture into being crazy?

Is it cruel in my eyes, yes. Would I do it myself, no. Am I to judge what cultural practices are right or wrong, I would say no unless it happens in my own country where a vote can decide.

You are not very bright, are you?

You'd sing another tune if you'd had your dick cut off at the age of 13

[xroach]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Please excuse my ignorance, aside from the fact that someone died during the process. Why is it that someone's cultural practices that others do not follow turn the other culture into being crazy?

Is it cruel in my eyes, yes. Would I do it myself, no. Am I to judge what cultural practices are right or wrong, I would say no unless it happens in my own country where a vote can decide.

The purpose is to remove the females enjoyment from sexual activity. That's sick about their culture.

We worship paris hilton, that's sick about our culture.

Just because it's another culture doesn't mean they don't do stupid fucked morally deprived things. The only true equalizer between is that we do stupid fucked up morally deprived shit too, it's just different.

[Ripshit]

The entire middle east will be nothing but dust soon so who gives a FUCK!
I cant wait for all you arab nations to be blown away by the new "WAR ON IRAN"!!!!!!!
Youll see we will fucking blow that shit right off the map this time!

You bunch of sick motherfuckers!!!!!

[directfiesta]

circumcision death:

http://www.circumstitions.com/death-exsang.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/S...015266,00.html

and so on ... shit happens ( you guys say that often )

But I am against the practice of removing the clitoris: there is no medical reason for that.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Michaelious

The society isn't crazy, the practice of female circumscision is.

And a society that encourages and even mandates this practice would be what?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I dunno about you people but if I had to fuck a chick with her sex pieces cut off, while dealing with dry pussy on a chick that didnt enjoy sex I would blow shit up to.

Them people are fucking sick as shit.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Please excuse my ignorance,

You should have stopped right there with "Please excuse my ignorance". What if a society decided to poke out every female's left eyeball upon birth so that they make them more docile and control them better? Would you say that was okay too because the tradition was part of their religion or culture?

This is a human rights issue, and it shouldn't be allowed go to your theoretical vote, anywhere. One just has to call a spade a spade and say that in those societies where they do this, the people are a bunch of ignorant barbarians still living as if it was early medieval times.

[Pornwolf]

Yes, that shit is crazy and so are any people that condone it.

End of story.

[Kevin Marx]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

That is in essence true. Though I still would not consider a culture crazy because of it.

I have read up and studied numerous practices that many would consider crazy, abuse, or out right cruelty. Oddly enough even the US has a few on that list, circumcision anyone?

Not to stir the pot, but male circumcision is not done to deny sexual pleasure.

Even though it is primarily done as a religious rite, male circumcision is chosen by many parents as a cleanliness issue as infections due to the foreskin not being kept clean are very common.

This female circumcision I agree, would be akin to cutting off the head of the penis, thereby removing the nerve endings that provide sexual stimulation and enjoyment. There is no logical reason for doing this except to control the female population and subject them to the male dominance within the society. Education about sexuality would be a much more powerful tool than tricking your daughters into having their clits cut off and then living their lives without receiving one of the ultimate pleasures. What a sad culture.

[pornask]

Male genital mutilation takes place on daily basis in the US with many recorded deaths due to circumcision, but people are so brainwashed, they even ask to have their kids genitals mutilated - which is an alarming fact... Much more so than a girl having her genitals mutilated in the middle east!

[shahab6]

That's crazy, and why would they do that. Is very sick practice

[Silvercash Toni]

very sick...who in there right mind would do such a thing?...!

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

thank you Jim Gunn and Raw Alex for getting the points I wanted to make out there.

I have a hard time expressing my feelings about this because it's so disturbing to me but I have very firm opinions on it. I do not think the "culture" itself is completely "fucked up" although there are certainly more human rights issues than just female genital mutilation occurring in the areas where the practice is common. However, the practice itself is sickening and anyone who perpetuates it should be in prison.

Little children are being mutilated, having body parts removed and in some cases having their entire genital area sewn shut, and that goes beyond a simple cultural difference. It's wrong and deplorable no matter what country you are from or what religion you practice.

The pain these little girls go through gives me chills and makes me sick to my stomach just to think about it. The resulting infections and scar tissue cause many of them unbearable pain for their ENTIRE LIVES and there is often no medical care to deal with the disastrous results of the butchery they are subjected to.

There is no "excuse," cultural or otherwise, for what is being done. Period.

[CC]

Originally Posted by pornask

Male genital mutilation takes place on daily basis in the US with many recorded deaths due to circumcision, but people are so brainwashed, they even ask to have their kids genitals mutilated - which is an alarming fact... Much more so than a girl having her genitals mutilated in the middle east!

First off, I would never circumsize my son because it's not medically necessary. However, to compare male circumcision to female circumcision shows your extreme ignorance of the two procedures....THIS is alarming.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

for the record, I'm against male circumcision on babies as well. If adult men (or women) want to alter their genitals, that's their choice.

[After Shock Media]

I said in my original post that I thought it was cruel and that I was not for it.
I also do think that such a society is in need of reform however I would not lump an entire culture together and call them crazy for practicing a taboo act with in their tribes.

After seeing the scarification, penile transformations, and the rest of the twisted cultural practices of assorted tribes and the like. Most of it all sickens me. I just refuse to lump them all into the realm of crazy. Yes many do or may need to have a cultural awaking and forget certain traditions. The only given issue is though, where do we stop and whom decides?

Back to original issue, clitoral removal is indeed wrong and a form of abuse.

[pornask]

Originally Posted by CC

First off, I would never circumsize my son because it's not medically necessary. However, to compare male circumcision to female circumcision shows your extreme ignorance of the two procedures....THIS is alarming.

Hope you don't have double standards on everything in life...

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

Not to stir the pot, but male circumcision is not done to deny sexual pleasure.

Maybe not, but that is one of the outcomes. Once the head becomes exposed and rubs on clothing, it naturally becomes less sensitive. What was once internal and protected, is now external.

Adult men who have gotten circumcised all report diminished sexual feeling.

Furthermore, look at porn. Circumcised men go to town on the head. Most uncircumcised men just run their foreskin up and down over it. They can't grip it hard with their hand because it's too sensitive.

[pornask]

Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

Not to stir the pot, but male circumcision is not done to deny sexual pleasure.

It's done for the money. Circumcision in the US is a multibillion dollar a year business. Do you think doctors will want to part with this type of dough. Hell no! So they feed people bullshit to the point that parents even think they are doing their infant sons a service by having their genitals mutilated. Where as all they're doing is feeding the ever so hungry pocket of these doctors who want to retain their life standards...

[CC]

Originally Posted by pornask

Hope you don't have double standards on everything in life...

No double standard here whatsoever; I won't be circumsizing my son. However, to compare the 2 practices shows your lack of understanding.

[borys]

Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

Not to stir the pot, but male circumcision is not done to deny sexual pleasure.

Actually it is. Circumcision of male babies in the US was adopted in the 19th century to prevent boys from masturbating. The hygiene excuse was brought up much later, as surgeons didn't want to lose a major source of income.

[porsche]

TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE!! it should no long be aloud!!!

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by CC

No double standard here whatsoever; I won't be circumsizing my son. However, to compare the 2 practices shows your lack of understanding.

I compared them in a vague way. Just in a cultural acceptance way and in no form an apple to apple way.

[pornask]

Originally Posted by borys

Actually it is. Circumcision of male babies in the US was adopted in the 19th century to prevent boys from masturbating. The hygiene excuse was brought up much later, as surgeons didn't want to lose a major source of income.

Read this CC? i appreciate your open mind in regards to your son, but it seems like you're having a slower day today. We all have such days...

Genital mutilation is just that - a genital mutilation. Something that is naturally a part of your body is removed leaving you disfigured for the rest of your life.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by pornask

Read this CC? i appreciate your open mind in regards to your son, but it seems like you're having a slower day today. We all have such days...

Genital mutilation is just that - a genital mutilation. Something that is naturally a part of your body is removed leaving you disfigured for the rest of your life.

I agree with you.

there are, however, some important differences in the way that the procedures are carried out. One is done in a hospital in a sterile environment. If a boy develops scar tissue or infection, his parents can take him for treatment and even potentially sue the doctor for malpractice to recover medical fees incurred.

Female genital mutilation is often done with a dirty knife or even a broken bottle in a tent, outdoors or in a home. Most likely, if infection or other complications arise, they will not be treated and can turn into much, much worse problems and even result in death.

Personally, I'd rather be dead than have a seething, painful infection that will never be treated and that no one cares about on my genitals.

Both practices are wrong, and I'm not going to argue about which is more "wrong," because that only makes light of just how wrong it is to remove a part of someone's body without their consent.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Both practices are wrong, and I'm not going to argue about which is more "wrong," because that only makes light of just how wrong it is to remove a part of someone's body without their consent.

I agree it is wrong (opening mouth again), many taboo rituals of different cultures actually have the persons consent. However one should question their consent in reality if we as an overall society wish to ban given practices. One example would be the scarification of young (11-12yr old) boys in some tribes. I mean having hundreds of wounds applied to you in one sitting in a non sterile way is down right insane. Though these children want it done as tradition dictates it and they themselves may feel like they are not men or whatever reason.

[Slick]

(quote from the article)
"For centuries Egyptian girls, usually between the ages of 7 and 13, have been taken to have the procedure done, sometimes by a doctor, sometimes by a barber or whoever else in the village would do it"

Damn, the doctor is all booked up for the next 2 weeks. Oh well, let's try the barber shop, ha ha ha.

[SmokeyTheBear]

crazy jew sucks 3 babies freshly circumsized penis and gives them herpes

http://www.aztlan.net/metzitzah_b_peh.htm


i think we can all agree mutilating ourselves in the name of religion is silly.

whether it be arabs doing it to girls or jews doing it to boys. if you think theres a difference , theres a good chance your circumcized or racist or both

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

That is in essence true. Though I still would not consider a culture crazy because of it.

I have read up and studied numerous practices that many would consider crazy, abuse, or out right cruelty. Oddly enough even the US has a few on that list, circumcision anyone?

The reality is that the US (and most western countries) have very few if any "practices" where men get to inflict painful and barbaric torture onto women and girls.

Circumcision is a much different sort of situation. It isn't done to make a boy obedient or make it so that he cannot have sex, but rather as an act which leads (in some opinions) to cleanliness. If they were actually cutting the penis off except for a small stump, you might have something to discuss.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

I agree with you.

there are, however, some important differences in the way that the procedures are carried out. One is done in a hospital in a sterile environment. .

wrong many jewish circumcisions in ALL western nations are not at a hospital

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

If a boy develops scar tissue or infection, his parents can take him for treatment and even potentially sue the doctor for malpractice to recover medical fees incurred

so can a girl

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Female genital mutilation is often done with a dirty knife or even a broken bottle in a tent, outdoors or in a home.

i think what you meant to say was you have heard of 1 or 2 cases out of MILLIONS that is done this way. i could show you 1 or 2 cases the opposite.
doesnt really mean much.

if female circumcision was in a hospital would you agree with it ?

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Most likely, if infection or other complications arise, they will not be treated and can turn into much, much worse problems and even result in death.

pure speculation.. unless you have ANYthing to back this up its just speculation

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Personally, I'd rather be dead than have a seething, painful infection that will never be treated and that no one cares about on my genitals.

like many men that have had it done.

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Both practices are wrong, and I'm not going to argue about which is more "wrong," because that only makes light of just how wrong it is to remove a part of someone's body without their consent.

you just did , you just made a biased statement calling female circumcision "mutilation" yet you dont mention the same slant when referring to male circumcision

[BradM]

The fact that these people practice this shit for "God" and there is no such fucking thing is the crazy part. Add in the actual situation and those caught doing it should be killed on the spot.

Religion is destroying this world. Coincidence?

[GatorB]

Crazy Christian anti-masturbation devices

[tony286]

they are animals are over there and thats why their leaders are monsters because who else is going to control them.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by BradM

The fact that these people practice this shit for "God" and there is no such fucking thing is the crazy part. Add in the actual situation and those caught doing it should be killed on the spot.

Religion is destroying this world. Coincidence?

Actually many body multilations are done not in the guise of religion but that of tribal identification or levels in ones development from birth to death. Some others are done due to accomplishment and or punishment. Not everything sick or twisted is done due to religion.


Why do I keep posting, I am being beaten out of context and well ... ahh who cares I do not mind taking on the argument.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The reality is that the US (and most western countries) have very few if any "practices" where men get to inflict painful and barbaric torture onto women and girls.

prom night ?

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Circumcision is a much different sort of situation. It isn't done to make a boy obedient or make it so that he cannot have sex, but rather as an act which leads (in some opinions) to cleanliness. If they were actually cutting the penis off except for a small stump, you might have something to discuss.

both are based on religion


there are many different types for women . cutting off the clitoris is not the only way its done , and cutting off the clit would not be the same as cutting off a penis obviously as you can't have sex with no penis. you can have sex with no clit.

don't quote me on this but i'm pretty sure that majority of female circumcision is just a trimming of the labia , its the same basic thing as foreskin on a man

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

don't quote me on this but i'm pretty sure that majority of female circumcision is just a trimming of the labia , its the same basic thing as foreskin on a man

Unless it is female doctors doing the deed, we all know that men can not find a clit with a map.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

...

1.
You are correct about the Jewish method of circumcision. I had forgotten about that and was focusing on the in-hospital method that is common in the US among non-Jews.

2. How can you sue a poor barber or a woman or man who lives in a tent in sub-Saharan Africa? It doesn't work like that. If someone goes wrong, there's not always a way to make them pay for it.

As for the information about methods, complications and other medical and procedural related questions, a good starting place is the World Health Organizations fact page here:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

Again, I am against circumcision on baby boys, whether in a hospital or not. I also have no problem calling it MGM (or male genital mutilation) it's just not commonly used and I didn't bother explaining it in my post.

Mutilation is mutilation no matter what you call it.

You can pick apart my opinion word by word if it makes you feel better somehow, but the funny thing is I think we agree that mutilating boys' or girls' genitals is wrong.

I don't understand the "yeah but so do men" type of comments because I never argued otherwise. My view of human rights includes both MEN and WOMEN.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

don't quote me on this but i'm pretty sure that majority of female circumcision is just a trimming of the labia , its the same basic thing as foreskin on a man

wrong. From the WHO (World Health Organization) website

"The most common type of female genital mutilation is excision of the clitoris and the labia minora, accounting for up to 80% of all cases; the most extreme form is infibulation, which constitutes about 15% of all procedures."

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

wrong. From the WHO (World Health Organization) website

"The most common type of female genital mutilation is excision of the clitoris and the labia minora, accounting for up to 80% of all cases; the most extreme form is infibulation, which constitutes about 15% of all procedures."

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

heh thats why i said don't quote me on it because i dont know it for a fact but i certainly wouldnt take the who's word for it as i have a feeling its somehwat biased as i cant seem to find a "male genital mutilation" page