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pocketkangaroo 09-20-2007 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13116493)
Our healthcare is a mess, hilary and bill played with our medical system first and see what it got us?

They got nothing passed. I'm not sure how that messed up anything. Republicans were the ones that wanted to keep the status quo which has brought us to where we are today.

pocketkangaroo 09-20-2007 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13115737)
I actually like his stand on several things, here's a list
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson.htm

I think we'll see a run between him and Hillary

He sounds a lot like our current President. Throw in the fact he's a lobbyist and basically we'd have another 8 years of Exxon and Halliburton running the show.

DateDoc 09-20-2007 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13113762)
Fred for president;;; http://fred08.com

:thumbsup

pussyluver 09-20-2007 01:47 PM

Seems to me that the only two people with a half a brain posting in this thread is Baddog and Vendzilla. Clearly they have been more engaged in what's going on in this country than the rest that are just belching up the last sound bite they can remember from CNN or wherever.

Suggest rereading their posts as they make valid points.

Carry on.

Linkster 09-20-2007 01:51 PM

The answer is pretty simple to the original problem - we need a draft right now - guarantee that war will be over in hours

pussyluver 09-20-2007 01:52 PM

Worth reading:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Fred_Thompson.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

This would be the closest race IMO. You can check out the others at that website.

Vendzilla 09-20-2007 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13117085)
He sounds a lot like our current President. Throw in the fact he's a lobbyist and basically we'd have another 8 years of Exxon and Halliburton running the show.

The biggest problem I have with bush is that he's mainly funded by the church, Thompson is considered a moderate, last moderate we had was Ronny! Most feel he is a federalist as well, which means more power to the state and less government control

Vendzilla 09-20-2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13117071)
They got nothing passed. I'm not sure how that messed up anything. Republicans were the ones that wanted to keep the status quo which has brought us to where we are today.

They didn't get anything passed, but during that time, I was paying for medical insurance and that's when it started going up

pussyluver 09-20-2007 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster (Post 13117175)
The answer is pretty simple to the original problem - we need a draft right now - guarantee that war will be over in hours

How much thought have you given to that idea? Care to explain your reasoning?

TheStout 09-20-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13113583)
Hillary = Bad for the country
Obama = Bad for the country
Bloomberg = Our country will be ruined & completely fucked!


All 3 of the above want to enact laws to restrict & strip your constitutional rights.


Voting for Bloomberg is pretty much like asking for another Hitler

I do not follow US Politics that much but why would each of them be bad?...Not suggesting you are wrong just curious of your opinions on the issue

pussyluver 09-20-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13117213)
They didn't get anything passed, but during that time, I was paying for medical insurance and that's when it started going up

The oversight bureaucracy became larger. Ask your doctor. That governemt oversight costs $$$. Actually a number of programs were approved in the time frame. Would have to do the research to give you an outline even. Start with HIPAA for one though.

Vendzilla 09-20-2007 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver (Post 13117159)
Seems to me that the only two people with a half a brain posting in this thread is Baddog and Vendzilla. Clearly they have been more engaged in what's going on in this country than the rest that are just belching up the last sound bite they can remember from CNN or wherever.

Suggest rereading their posts as they make valid points.

Carry on.

Baddog and I are close to the same age and remember the fuck ups of past presidents, we've been paying taxes longer than a lot of you have been alive

Linkster 09-20-2007 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver (Post 13117223)
How much thought have you given to that idea? Care to explain your reasoning?

Quite a bit actually - instituting a draft would accomplish two things.
First it would replenish the military and boost the economy (remember that all those guard and reservists have legal rights saving their jobs at home) - something sorely needed if we believe what the president is proposing in a long term view of operations in the middle east - you can only rotate and extend so much
Second it would drive the dissapproval of the war from its current 60 % or so up to around 85 %, causing the "swing" republicans that really want to have a chance to win next season to finally go beyond the breaking point and stop their holding out - while I understand this will happen anyway after the primaries, this would certainly speed things up and save soldiers llives in the long run

A third side benefit is that it would give us enough people at home to respond to natural disasters and cope with anything else that might happen as well as allow the pentagon to shed the private contracts it has supplementing the military with those extra 105,000 highly paid private soldiers - saving the taxpayer a huge amount on their defense bill

kane 09-20-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13117191)
The biggest problem I have with bush is that he's mainly funded by the church, Thompson is considered a moderate, last moderate we had was Ronny! Most feel he is a federalist as well, which means more power to the state and less government control

I must had read this wrong. Are you actually trying to say the Reagan was a moderate? Reagan in the poster boy for the conservative movement. What about that nice little war on porn Ronny and his buddy Ed Meese waged? That's not very moderate. Thompson as a moderate? I disagree. Look at his record. He is anti-abortion, pro gun, pro big business, anti-worker, pro-drilling for oil and so on. He may be more moderate than many, but he is not that much of a moderate since he seems to pretty much vote right along the conservative party line. His recruitment into this race was spearheaded by the religious right. Why? They don't like the others for various reasons and they wanted a God based candidate. Thompson has proven himself to someone that will do as you ask as long as you pay him, why would he be any different as president?

I'm not saying he is a terrible candidate. There are worse out there, but I think by saying he and Reagan are moderates you are a little off the mark.

uno 09-20-2007 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GigoloMason (Post 13117060)
I think given your stance you might be the one that doesn't understand the original intent of the second amendmant. :2 cents:

Something about "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" :upsidedow

EonBlue 09-20-2007 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13117061)
Look up "free speech zones".

Free speech zones are not new and were not created by Bush. Besides, free speech does not necessarily include disrupting business and inconveniencing others. And if the retarded protestors could protest without vandalism and violence then free speech zones wouldn't be necessary.

tony286 09-20-2007 06:35 PM

if it wasnt clintons presidency most you would be working at starbucks or the local filling station. You have very short memories during your buddy reagan it cost adam & eve over a million dollars fighting the government. If fred becomes president which I doubt will happen too much shit in his past, his wife wants to make going after porn job one. Hope you got something else to do for a living. Also clinton had nothing to do with your insurance going up. Im 43 so I remember also.


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