Nevermind I just looked at it again that awsome

I have better than an ass shot. go check out my free ball gag movie sample where im getting it from behind and this guy is calling me a little bitch. I will try a few of you guys on here to see how you convert. But I want to show you I really convert better than almost anyone and I keep my members. But Im not going to tell you 1:50.

All I can say is, talk to some of your friends there at ccbill and ask them to look my up and you will know the real deal =)~~ So stop giving me shit or your going to get an ass slappin

Desirae Spencer =)~~~

So why don't you just tell us how you're converting? I doubt CCBill will tell me how some other site is converting without any previous approval.

1:150? 1:200? 1:500?

It's very easy to get the surfer to shell out their $5, and I have often done 1:75 or so on trials like these.

The site itself doesn't even matter for small amount trials. I can sell shitonastick.com at 1:75 for trials.

Well that's ok I guess, but the surfer will exit quickly as soon as they see the site is no good. In fact even if it is a good site the surfer will feel the grass is greener elsewhere next time. It's just human nature to seek novelty.

I am amazed that sites are not hitting the surfer constantly with change and updates, or at least the illusion of that. The difference between 10% rebills and 30% would be worth a few design changes. The measure of a site is always retention and rebills.

I will get then on the phone while you and I are on there. Have them look up my stats so we know the real truth. I dont know of many others out there that would be willing to do something like this.

I convert at an overall average of 1:380 without a trial
with a trial better than 1:200. at an average of 32.00

My problem is that im ony getting at the most 5k hits a day.

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~

ps, my retension is better than 40 % and I can prove that as well

it's called a screenshot,use it

screenshots? the ones that you can just bring into adobe and alter? i dont buy that either. im not saying that your lying, those could be totally true. also, they could be false as well. tell me if im wrong here, i could be

Desirae Spencer =)~~~

uh most of us work on the trust factor around here..Who cares what you buy? I don't buy that you make more money than people when you're only getting 5k hits a day lol .. how ya like them apples?
Take a screenshot of your stats,nobody will question it

btw,it's unprofessional as shit to talk about how much you make and try to compare yourself to other people...

Well, I'm not going to waste my time, their time, and your time just to find out how you're converting. Damn. If you say you convert at 1:380, I'll believe you until you give me some reason to not believe you. Didn't know it was this difficult to find out someone's conversions...

Serious trust issues around here. This isn't life and death. And by the way, I'm pretty sure [Labret] makes more than you, just to clarify...

dont sit here and tell me how im being unprofessional when guys are calling me a bitch then i come back and tease them a little bit i have no clue if there are people in here that are doing better than i. i can only hope, i love knowing that someone is doing way better. makes me try harder to catch up. as far as people just throwing out numbers, they are just being thown out. no one knows if they are realy until they actually sign up and give it a shot themselves. a friend or a screenshot doesnt prove anything to me. but if you think im full of shit, then lets get on the phone with ccbill and have them tell us what my numbers are.


Desirae Spencer

I got nothing I make nothing

Donation from all the rich people on this board are accepted at my paypal account ANYTIME!!!

So with all you rich people floating around hey if everybody donates hm lemme think tap tap tap.l 2 bucks!!

I be rich like you all soon too he he


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A retention of 10% is very low. Unless the paysite really sucks or you over sell what the site can deliver, you probably should be seeing somewhere between %30-40% trials retaining.

This is converting Great for me...
http://www.asswatcher.com/grafx/bullshit/another.jpg

There have been password lists posted on this board before, from time to time, with hundreds of paysites, and some of them reasonably well known sites, and for the most part they sucked. One site is pretty much the same as the others. I understand low retention and chargebacks. What I don't understand is how they manage to stay online, and in fact most don't. In the six years I have been in this business there are only a few sites, that I am aware of, that are still around from six years ago. There are only a few really good paysites and they are very well known by any that have been around for a few years. As for conversions no one sustains 1:25, this is an occasional event and I cannot be convinced otherwise, so no need to try. Desirae is correct it is basically bull shit.

I don't agree erotica has been around since 96 and many of our other sites and it does real well some even do 1/25 with it easy.
all our sites are a $1 trial for a month.
are we talking trial conversions or an active member?

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Fine, you can disagree. I don't have a problem with that, but I will repeat what I said, "no one sustains 1:25, this is an occasional event and I cannot be convinced otherwise, so no need to try."

Desirae,

Why don't you just come right out and say that you are looking for webmasters? It'd come across much better . . .

As I used to run a site almost identical to yours, I'll even back you up . . . I am surprised more people aren't promoting single girl amateur sites.

Yes you can sustain it. I have many webmasters who do.
But it all depends on your traffic and how you target it.

I got mailer guys doing 1/10 -1/25 all day long. exits 1/150

You must have never sent us traffic

No I have not. I do not promote any sites other than my own. I realize there are exceptions to every rule, but we will never be (no offense intended) on a level where we would be such close friends that I would pretty much know your business inside and out. Who knows, you may be an exception to the rule, but I cannot be convinced that you are.

I don't have reasons not to believe these numbers.

I guess it all depends on how people count there hits
conversions really don't mean much.
Its all about your bottom Line and how much you make at the end of the day.

You just nailed the bottom line.:glugglug

Nice Ass Desirae...

We used to run quite a few of those amateur cam sites back in the day... we kept the #1 spot on all those toplists you participate in.. along with some of our own. the cam sites made decent money (5-20k a month per site)... but nothin to write home about.

Problem with them is that you are limited because you will always have to personally keep your members happy... which *will* keep you from expanding.

i'll add at least 30% to your bottom line right here.
1) add a vip area for another 20 bucks a month
2) add a 9.95 5 day trial
3) dont waste your exits on all those toplists.. topcams is good.. was really good back in the day.... but traffic has dwindled.. suncams is pretty good.. all those others are shit.. you'll make more by promoting other *kinds* of paysites.. (what.. did you think that just cause somebody came to your site that they were 100% focused on amateur?) a lot of them were looking for blondes, anal, whatever.. a good console (including quickbuck & conversioncash sites) will add signinficantly to your bottom line.
4) Get some more shit about your boyfriend on there.. chicks like straight amateur porn too.. and so do closet gays.

Thats all the wisdom i'm gonna dole out for now... but let me promise you one thing.... *I'M RIGHT*.. and i know it from experience of running cam sites. Dont ask.. just do that shit & you'll make more money.

You can thank me later.

Hooper,

I'm guessing you are the same Hooper we hung out with along with PornDaddy at the Desert Forum two years ago. Hope all is well.

Desirae - his ideas are all good ones - especially the part about the trial and gettting more of a story that includes your boyfriend/husband. And then you either need to start cheating or become swingers :)

Just to make sure you didn't miss this one. :thumbsup

those are some good points hooper. i have only been doing this for about 8 months and already have 1k members. i run my site, im the webmaster and model. im in control of it, i think that is going to be my advantage big time. once i get the traffic and marketing thing figured out i hope to be up ther with carol cox and wifeysworld.com they both have over 13k members.

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~

Unique niches can convert 1 in 50

I can tell you right now that Wifey has WAY more than 13,000 members. I can't speak with the same authority on CArol, but I'm guessing she does too . . . and she makes much more money with the other programs that have spun from her original site.

=)

i have sponsors converting at 1:50-1:75 but i wont give the names..........if i do they will get over sold and the cash will run out

like journalists do , we have to keep our sources confidential!