It's $500 worth of advetising. He even said he'd donate it to a charity. The guy fucked up, said he'd stop selling and donate the money. Move on to the people who are hurting the industry right this minute.

Yes some of the backlash was due to his non admittance, but mostly just his overall poor attitude and seemingly lack of understanding of Zango's negative effects. However, I agree with your post, no need to beat a dead horse, let it die.

Joe is a cool guy but fuck zango!

thats all I have to say...everyone has promoted something "shady" get off your high horses

thats one more place NOT TO BUY traffic. Thanks for keeping my rolodex clean and updated.

You people can keep bitching, obviously that's all ya'll want to do. So here is me giving you the finger and saying fuck off. I can't talk to you idiots anymore.

Another public relations train wreck in progress, ego seems to be the downfall of a few in here lately.

As I said, I've been here for years (since 98) and I'll be here for a lot longer. So fuck off.

Hahahahahahaha.


Dude, do you realize you're saying this to customers, and more importantly, POTENTIAL customers?


I can't believe you just shit all over everyone in this thread. I was thinking of buying traffic from you on some of the specialty niches I promote, too.

Again anyone needing to jump on me just say the word! :thumbsup

You're kidding , right? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Well yeah, you got that part right :thumbsup

Joe, they screw us ALL over... that's the problem. But if you stopped selling to them good job :thumbsup It's appreciated.

ok, lets install chip to your head ... as you are doing to computers of your users ;)

a little off topic.

did you sell collegesucks?

Trixxxia I am pleased to see you are doing a good job trying to explain this to all.
You are top notch in my new black booklet and if you work for Ray he should by very proud to have you working for him.

Joe you should be aware of the fact that every new entry in this thread by you will cost you customers, future and past ones.
The other traffic brokers must be getting drunk by now since you will be out of clients very very very ( did I mention very? ) soon.

i dont do zango

hahaha i love this thread

the remarks about Lars and Sleazydream by will76 made my day!
wow this is sad and entertaining at the same time.

so who is still buying traffic from Joe?
and who is not (anymore)
should be interesting to know

It's not about how much you made in the short term, it's about how it's going to affect those surfers (and webmasters of sites they visit) in the long term. You do realise that once Zango is installed it will pop its windows over sites, including yours?

Not every new entry. He has said some honorable things along the way.

As an observor though, I am still a bit unsure of where he stands.

Thanks ThumbLord, I appreciate that :)

In the end, every traffic broker has a right to run his business as he sees fit. My point is that you don't have to bow down to these practices in the least bit. As buyers, you can make a difference by being scrupulous on where you buy that traffic. As a site owner and traffic reseller/provider, you have the option of working with brokers or clients that are just as meticulous at keeping their network clean - who they buy from/trade with/sell to. As affiliates, you have the option of not sending your traffic to companies that turn around and systematically screw you over by proliferating and oiling the cashflow of such companies with their ad dollars. As a sponsor, you should DEFINITELY not be shooting yourself in the foot.

Somewhere along the line, affiliates forgot that they are one of the major providers of the raw material in this production line of 'adult entertainment'. You don't need to be vocal about it, just do what you have to do to protect your future business.

Some of the most intelligent people in this industry have sold to them and stopped. Others bought from them and there are many others that continue to buy from them. After you get your check and it didn't bounce - so long as you understand how it hurts you and your future business, whatever you do is your decision but when you start suffering the consequences, you can't say you had no idea or blame your sponsor for bad conversions.

100 zangoriffic replies

not anymore...

LOL...Are you applying for a job with AFF?

It takes two to Zango but don' be so tough on Joe, he is honest about it in my opinion, a lot of others here not...

Don't confuse being clueless with honesty. Its obvious by his posts in both threads that he's never fully understood how Zango operates with his "they told me they stopped" comments. Joe runs a great site and sells legit traffic and I think people should continue to do business with him as long as he doesn't advertise with Zango. The only downside is now a % of his returning visitors are infected and may not see your site after they click on your advertising.

It just amazes me though how its so hard for some people to just say "I screwed up and it won't happen again". They get so defensive and aggressive over the slightest criticism and end up doing far more damage to their rep and business had they just admitted what is obvious to everyone else.

You played with fire, you got burn.
That's it, that's all.

Kinda like cheating your wife, I'm so sorry honey, i was drunk :disgust

We all fuck up. One day or the other. Zango is a big mistake ! Big big mistake !

Bingo, we got a winner!
This or saying - I screwed up and I'll be more vigilant in the future (which is more believable in my opinion) would work - you save face & your seemingly good reputation. (not talking about this case in particular but all cases in general)

Spinning it, recycling excuses, standoffish demeanor doesn't really make you look like a serious businessman - although, I do agree that some people don't see it and will forget what was done. Others won't and I'd like to hope that the ones that don't are the ones with more influence, money & power (but I'm smart & realistic enough to know that this isn't always the case)

sig spot!

how about you send an email to all the people that send you their traffic
telling them you zango-ed some of the visitors they sent ?