Bush Seeks Legal Immunity for Telecoms - GoFuckYourself.com

directfiesta · 08-31-2007, 11:12 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...888614,00.html

Good move....

You break the law,so then you change it or seek immunity ....

This guy is amazing

Bruce_Miller · 08-31-2007, 11:17 AM

We still have 508 days left of him too...

Tom_PM · 08-31-2007, 11:22 AM

Entirely unsurprising and I wish it was!

JD · 08-31-2007, 11:23 AM

bastards...

GAMEFINEST · 08-31-2007, 11:23 AM

oh whoa ...

DaddyHalbucks · 08-31-2007, 11:40 AM

I am so Goddamn sick of hearing foreigners criticize my President.

GWB is doing a fine job trying to protect my country.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 08-31-2007, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am so Goddamn sick of hearing foreigners criticize my President.

GWB is doing a fine job trying to protect my country.

I am 100% American. I love my country dearly. I am a patriot. And that is exactly why I want Bush gone.

baddog · 08-31-2007, 12:15 PM

So it is your opinion that people should be sued for cooperating with requests from our government?

ContentSHOOTER · 08-31-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

I am 100% American. I love my country dearly. I am a patriot. And that is exactly why I want Bush gone.

Well said

Tom_PM · 08-31-2007, 12:30 PM

The government should just follow the laws instead of making new ones after they break the old ones. Pretty sure thats why people are suing.

baddog · 08-31-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The government should just follow the laws instead of making new ones after they break the old ones. Pretty sure thats why people are suing.

They are directing their suits to the wrong people.

directfiesta · 08-31-2007, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

So it is your opinion that people should be sued for cooperating with requests from our government?

No, it is my opinion that laws were already in place.
If they are not adequate, you go back to the congress to update/amend laws .

But this administration doesn't go by the laws, because they think they are above them, unlike it's citizens....

If these corporations, which have a full floor of in-house lawyers aside from counsels in big law firms, have not followed the law by accepting unlawfull request, yes they should be sued.

Since you are a host, you should easily see the point:

- a client host stuff on my server. The content seem quite legal. Police ( or gov) comes in with either no warrants or warrants that are illegal.
I happily comply and turn over the box to them...
You are saying to me that the client should not be allowed to sue me ...

Please....

directfiesta · 08-31-2007, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am so Goddamn sick of hearing foreigners criticize my President.

GWB is doing a fine job trying to protect my country.

I pay taxes in the US...

aico · 08-31-2007, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am so Goddamn sick of hearing foreigners criticize my President.

GWB is doing a fine job trying to protect my country.

I am so Goddamn sick of U.S. Citizens who have no idea what is really going on in their own country.

Tom_PM · 08-31-2007, 01:52 PM

Yeah they very well could be suing the wrong people. Would be a shame. If at&t or somesuch gave up my info which is against the terms I agreed to, I would think they are the right people to sue. But if the gov. somehow forced their hand, then I should not be without recourse though.. opens the wrong door I think.
I should be able to sue the company who breached our agreement, and if that company feels the gov. overstepped, let em sue in turn. But dont invalidate my lawsuit while it's pending.

V_RocKs · 08-31-2007, 01:59 PM

1 more year of this fag.

directfiesta · 08-31-2007, 02:02 PM

AT&T 'Spy Room' Documents Unsealed; You've Already Seen Them ...

"This configuration appears to have the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic," Marcus wrote.

AT&T likely has 15 to 20 of these rooms around the country, and shipped data out of the rooms via a separate network to another location, Marcus concluded. Collectively, he estimated that the rooms were able to keep tabs on some 10 percent of the nation's purely domestic internet traffic.

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The government argues that the case must be thrown out since it involves national security matters, while AT&T says it can't defend itself without spilling classified information. Federal district court Judge Vaughn Walker ruled last July that the case could proceed, because President Bush has admitted the existence of the NSA's warrantless wiretapping of Americans' overseas communications.

"Dismissing this case at the outset would sacrifice liberty for no apparent enhancement of security," Walker wrote.

Cohn says she hopes the new documents will illustrate to the public that the organization's case is grounded in fact, and that the government's argument that national security is at risk is overstated.

"It really paints them into a corner, how unreasonable their claims of state secrets are," Cohn said. "I'm hoping (the document release) demonstrates we are right and know what we are talking about and that we don't need much more to win our case. We are much closer than people think."

AT&T declined comment, except to issue this official oft-repeated statement on the case: "AT&T is fully committed to protecting our customers' privacy. We do not comment on matters of national security."

In a court filing, the company's lawyers called Wired News a "scofflaw" for publishing the documents last year.

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/06/spy_room

pocketkangaroo · 08-31-2007, 02:40 PM

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein

Nationalism is for suckers. You have one person bashing the policies of a country and acting like the people here have some direct input on the policies. On the other you have people defending their country as if they have any say in anything that goes on in the country. It's like blaming your neighbor who is a Mets fan for their SS not hitting the ball.

aico · 08-31-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein

Nationalism is for suckers. You have one person bashing the policies of a country and acting like the people here have some direct input on the policies. On the other you have people defending their country as if they have any say in anything that goes on in the country. It's like blaming your neighbor who is a Mets fan for their SS not hitting the ball.

Hey don't forget about Democracy, 51% of the people telling the other 49% what they can and can not do, nothing says "Freedom" more than that.

woj · 08-31-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein

Nationalism is for suckers. You have one person bashing the policies of a country and acting like the people here have some direct input on the policies. On the other you have people defending their country as if they have any say in anything that goes on in the country. It's like blaming your neighbor who is a Mets fan for their SS not hitting the ball.

good quotes there

who · 08-31-2007, 02:52 PM

This makes me sick.

08-31-2007, 11:12 AM	#1
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,761	Bush Seeks Legal Immunity for Telecoms http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...888614,00.html Good move.... You break the law,so then you change it or seek immunity .... This guy is amazing __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

08-31-2007, 11:22 AM	#3
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Entirely unsurprising and I wish it was! __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-31-2007, 11:23 AM	#5
GAMEFINEST Make STACK$ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: sexy time Posts: 14,439	oh whoa ... __________________ Compound interest.

08-31-2007, 11:40 AM	#6
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	I am so Goddamn sick of hearing foreigners criticize my President. GWB is doing a fine job trying to protect my country. __________________ Boner Money

08-31-2007, 12:30 PM	#10
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	The government should just follow the laws instead of making new ones after they break the old ones. Pretty sure thats why people are suing. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-31-2007, 11:17 AM	#2
Bruce_Miller Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 4REALCASH.COM Posts: 783	We still have 508 days left of him too...

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JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	bastards...

08-31-2007, 12:15 PM	#8
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	So it is your opinion that people should be sued for cooperating with requests from our government?

08-31-2007, 01:52 PM	#15
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Yeah they very well could be suing the wrong people. Would be a shame. If at&t or somesuch gave up my info which is against the terms I agreed to, I would think they are the right people to sue. But if the gov. somehow forced their hand, then I should not be without recourse though.. opens the wrong door I think. I should be able to sue the company who breached our agreement, and if that company feels the gov. overstepped, let em sue in turn. But dont invalidate my lawsuit while it's pending. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-31-2007, 01:59 PM	#16
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	1 more year of this fag.

08-31-2007, 02:02 PM	#17
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,761	AT&T 'Spy Room' Documents Unsealed; You've Already Seen Them ... "This configuration appears to have the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic," Marcus wrote. AT&T likely has 15 to 20 of these rooms around the country, and shipped data out of the rooms via a separate network to another location, Marcus concluded. Collectively, he estimated that the rooms were able to keep tabs on some 10 percent of the nation's purely domestic internet traffic. ... The government argues that the case must be thrown out since it involves national security matters, while AT&T says it can't defend itself without spilling classified information. Federal district court Judge Vaughn Walker ruled last July that the case could proceed, because President Bush has admitted the existence of the NSA's warrantless wiretapping of Americans' overseas communications. "Dismissing this case at the outset would sacrifice liberty for no apparent enhancement of security," Walker wrote. Cohn says she hopes the new documents will illustrate to the public that the organization's case is grounded in fact, and that the government's argument that national security is at risk is overstated. "It really paints them into a corner, how unreasonable their claims of state secrets are," Cohn said. "I'm hoping (the document release) demonstrates we are right and know what we are talking about and that we don't need much more to win our case. We are much closer than people think." AT&T declined comment, except to issue this official oft-repeated statement on the case: "AT&T is fully committed to protecting our customers' privacy. We do not comment on matters of national security." In a court filing, the company's lawyers called Wired News a "scofflaw" for publishing the documents last year. http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/06/spy_room __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

08-31-2007, 02:40 PM	#18
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein Nationalism is for suckers. You have one person bashing the policies of a country and acting like the people here have some direct input on the policies. On the other you have people defending their country as if they have any say in anything that goes on in the country. It's like blaming your neighbor who is a Mets fan for their SS not hitting the ball.

08-31-2007, 02:52 PM	#21
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	This makes me sick.