GONZALES RESIGNS! rejoice..!

[chupacabra]

throw your hats in the air..!

[INever]

why? will his replacement be better?

[chupacabra]

Originally Posted by INever

why? will his replacement be better?

i'd like to think Bush couldn't find anyone worse at this point... his list of buddies has been dwindling badly as of late..

heres to hoping for someone moderate that isn't a total jackass, and to Gonzales... please *let* the door hit you in the ass on your way out..!

[baddog]

So, tell me . . . why don't you like Gonzales?

[chupacabra]

Originally Posted by baddog

So, tell me . . . why don't you like Gonzales?

i don't believe people w/ a pronounced christian (or any religion for that matter) should be in positions of great power in this country... Gonzales is the one who established the 'Obscenity Prosecution Task Force', and thats a slippery slope if i ever saw one... piss today, a2m tomorrow? isn't that reason enough for those who work in our arena to rejoice at his being thrown under the bus?

why? do you like Gonzales..?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by chupacabra

i don't believe people w/ a pronounced christian (or any religion for that matter) should be in positions of great power in this country... Gonzales is the one who established the 'Obscenity Prosecution Task Force', and thats a slippery slope if i ever saw one... piss today, a2m tomorrow? isn't that reason enough for those who work in our arena to rejoice at his being thrown under the bus?

why? do you like Gonzales..?

Who said I liked him?

I can pretty much assure you that anyone of any political status in this country will be religious.

[jscott]

bump for some good news

[chupacabra]

Originally Posted by baddog

Who said I liked him?

I can pretty much assure you that anyone of any political status in this country will be religious.

well, we will just have to see who we end up w/ this time around, but after Ashcroft and Gonzales i don't see how it could get worse.

i for one will be toasting a beer to that sanctimonious piece of shit being tossed out on his ass this evening, and i don't think i'll be alone there..

[baddog]

Originally Posted by chupacabra

well, we will just have to see who we end up w/ this time around, but after Ashcroft and Gonzales i don't see how it could get worse.

I bet you said the same thing when Ashcroft left.

[chupacabra]

Originally Posted by baddog

I bet you said the same thing when Ashcroft left.

wow, talk about being a negative-nancy... your really being cheery friend, thx for contributing..

[GreyWolf]

Anyone associated with the current administration is contaminated, whether they (tongue in check) are totally innocent or otherwise.

Gonzales used and abused his situation - the petty arguing about the detail can be left to the swamp. He was probably unqualified to be AG and lacked experience. He was dragged from the Bush/Rove Texas Political Boot Camp And Longstanding Friends Club and stuffed into office.

Gonzales is probably in good company with the worst of AG's and doubt there has been worse in recent times, other than Mitchell in the Nixon admin.

Officials like Gonzales are there to serve and conduct the biz of government in an honorable and ethical manner - Gonzales failed that test a number of years ago and the downwards spiral continued.

Generally the current administration is impotent and pointless. The prime foot soldiers who were also main conspirators are being excused from duty before being "captured" - Rumsfeld, Rove, Wolfowitz, Libby et al and now Gonzales. All of these people forgot the words "serve" and "honor" and played a role in causing serious damage to the US.

Only my - all need to be prosecuted for whatever roles they played - there is no difference between them and other deviants like Saddam's henchmen. Wearing a suit does not change the man.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by chupacabra

wow, talk about being a negative-nancy... your really being cheery friend, thx for contributing..

Just being realistic. You really think he is going to appoint someone that is going to cause all of GFY to stand up and rejoice over?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Only my - all need to be prosecuted for whatever roles they played - there is no difference between them and other deviants like Saddam's henchmen. Wearing a suit does not change the man.

When we start outsourcing for opinions, you will be the first to know.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by baddog

When we start outsourcing for opinions, you will be the first to know.

You outsourced all opinions when you elected to stuff your face into the affairs of other countries. Also, when you become a "talking point" internationally - all opinions apply

Why the need to defend man? The track record has been established over a number of year and it's hardly in dispute. I sure ain't interested in "attacking" - it's more damned sad than anything and totally with the people both in the US and elsewhere who have suffered thru their conduct.

[GITZINGER]

Originally Posted by baddog

Who said I liked him?

I can pretty much assure you that anyone of any political status in this country will be religious.

only in public when they need votes, otherwise they are busy breaking laws just like any other common criminal.

[chupacabra]

i'm not going to bother arguing w/ you baddog on this subject... you seem so dead set on trying to convince me that this isn't really good news for our industry i just don't know what to tell you.

so many are distancing themselves from Bush and the clusterfuck his administration has left us w/ i think his list of "good ole boys" has dwindled. i will be surprised if we end up w/ a new AG who could be worse than Gonzales was when it comes to targeting the adult industry... i guess we'll see. but your pessimistic attitude isn't going to stop me from celebrating that asshole being forced out tonight, nor will i be alone in that i'm sure..

[IllTestYourGirls]

ill only rejoice when http://RonPaul2008.com is sitting in office. Any other way and we will see endless years of war and many more deaths and loses of freedoms.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by baddog

I can pretty much assure you that anyone of any political status in this country will be religious.

And that is probably a fundamental flaw - not because an individual has religious beliefs, but simply because it is a criteria for electing a government.

Governments are elected to manage economies, defence, healthcare, build roads blah, implement laws where appopriate etc. The personal spiritual beliefs have no place in that. The relevant qualifications are those of managers with whatever professional expertise they can bring to the table.

Reality is - this has nothing to do with religion and more an issue of a convenient religion being hijacked (basically cult-style) by self-seekers and opportunitists with the object of pandering to the masses and presenting a righteous face in an attempt to get elected. As a group they whore the backalleys of the beltway like any other human being.

Are they "better" from their religious beliefs? Rarely - they are too busy talking shit and mixing religion with laws - the ultimate hypocracy is probably using "In God We Trust" on a poxy greenback. It's almost an affront to any religion.


PS Sure there are plenty of genuine, honest, honorable and "religious" men and women among the rabble - but the chances of them ever being heard is remote. They have to be whores to get elected.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

And that is probably a fundamental flaw - not because an individual has religious beliefs, but simply because it is a criteria for electing a government.

No one said it was a criteria, but being "one nation under God" pretty much assures there will be no atheists elected anytime soon.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Hooray! Another good man got chewed up and spit out by Washington, DC.

Whoopee!!

[chupacabra]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Hooray! Another good man got chewed up and spit out by Washington, DC.

Whoopee!!

lol, a good man? you nearly made me ruin my keyboard when i read that and spit beer everywhere.

"Shortly after his appointment as attorney general, Gonzalez announced that prosecution of pornography portraying consensual sex among adults would be ?one of the top priorities? of the Justice Department."

you think this guy being thrown out on his ear is a bad thing? what do you do for a living..??

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by baddog

No one said it was a criteria, but being "one nation under God" pretty much assures there will be no atheists elected anytime soon.

You not think it is a criteria baddog?

You can already see the oozing of alleged religious beliefs in the line-up to the next rat race for the Whitehouse. It's not only at the level of "what exactly are your spiritual beliefs?" but ripping them apart and nit picking while trying to apply these to laws which may have "moral issues".

I dunno.. but smell that "aura" in any government is unhealthy and "cultivated" to create political advantage - in effect, an abuse of religion. It has little to do with effective and efficent government, but more a tendency to cause division and hatred within a society.

People are entitled to their spiritual beliefs, whether others agree or not - it's a personal matter and not something for public voyeurism. Trying to mix and force personal spiritual beliefs into what is basically the business of running a corp (tho on a bigger scale), is walking a path of being ineffective. Same as biz is biz, government is government - mixing private life/beliefs in either just don't work.

Will say it again Firmly believe any government has the duty to "serve" - not "control". They exist at be behest of the "shareholders" and have a responsibilty to these shareholders to protect their interests, enhance infrastructure, provide services et al - and manage the overall economy and defense etc on behalf of these shareholders. They do not exist to represent segments of shareholders or have "side interests" where conflict can arise. They are also responsible for totally transparency and accountabilty with their shareholders. Morals and spiritual beliefs are obvious in many cases - you don't steal or lie blah and this is already accepted as law. Bending away from the corp scenario is leading to, in different ways, corruption of the whole system. But... is that the whole basis of politics?

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by chupacabra

lol, a good man? you nearly made me ruin my keyboard when i read that and spit beer everywhere.

"Shortly after his appointment as attorney general, Gonzalez announced that prosecution of pornography portraying consensual sex among adults would be ?one of the top priorities? of the Justice Department."

you think this guy being thrown out on his ear is a bad thing? what do you do for a living..??

My living is irrelevant to the greater good for the country. Sure, I think many porn prosecutions are ridiculous and a waste of resources.

While I may have a personal interest in freedom of speech and looser government policies on adult entertainment, it is not an important issue in the greater view. Gonzales has fought hard to make our country safer, and I admire him for that. That IS an important issue.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Gonzales has fought hard to make our country safer, and I admire him for that. That IS an important issue.

It is rare that there is anything to "admire" in a politically appointed individual who was placed in a position of trust and proceeds to abuse that trust.

Gonzales existed to represent the government in upholding the law, not to deviate and bend the law. He also undertook to operate the Department of Justice in a fair, transparent and effective manner - and failed to do that.

Spin about "our country safer" is nonsense and crediting Gonzales with this is absurd. He was just another foot soldier involved in a corrupt regime and eventually being asked to account for his actions - and failed.

[V_RocKs]

It would appear that my incantations worked...

[GITZINGER]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

It is rare that there is anything to "admire" in a politically appointed individual who was placed in a position of trust and proceeds to abuse that trust.

Gonzales existed to represent the government in upholding the law, not to deviate and bend the law. He also undertook to operate the Department of Justice in a fair, transparent and effective manner - and failed to do that.

Spin about "our country safer" is nonsense and crediting Gonzales with this is absurd. He was just another foot soldier involved in a corrupt regime and eventually being asked to account for his actions - and failed.

boy, did he ever fail. Anyone that thinks otherwise........