Is the stolen audio in banners on GFY any different than torrent stealing? - GoFuckYourself.com

Fletch XXX · 08-27-2007, 06:12 AM

Is usuing stolen audio clips from movies in banners on GFY any different than torrents?

I bet if you owned the content it wouldnt be, would it?

polish_aristocrat · 08-27-2007, 06:15 AM

who do you ask?

and what makes you think "we" support banners with stolen popular music?

JamesK2 · 08-27-2007, 06:15 AM

No but people don't give a shit about theft unless it'll somehow affect their business

k0nr4d · 08-27-2007, 06:16 AM

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who · 08-27-2007, 06:16 AM

Exactly. It's deeply serious copyright violation. A deeply seriously annoying one.

JamesK2 · 08-27-2007, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

who do you ask?

and what makes you think "we" support banners with stolen popular music?

The fact that nobody ever says something about the stolen audio and everyone is whining about torrents, maybe?

Fletch XXX · 08-27-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

who do you ask?

and what makes you think "we" support banners with stolen popular music?

because you arent out there starting a war against it like you are torrents.

You must support it then. Either you are against stolen content or you are not.

Personally, i dont care about torrents or what audio you steal, i just get tired of seeing people start witch campaigns about "stolen content" when there are top banner spots using stolen content to get your attention.

laughable at best

fuzzylogic · 08-27-2007, 06:20 AM

damn, i didnt think this thread would get any replies.. but what do i know.

what makes you think the audio is stolen, much less the banner itself???

Klen · 08-27-2007, 06:21 AM

Who care about music industry?They suck one way or another.

who · 08-27-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

damn, i didnt think this thread would get any replies.. but what do i know.

what makes you think the audio is stolen, much less the banner itself???

All I want is that audio is banned in banner ads.

Fletch XXX · 08-27-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

damn, i didnt think this thread would get any replies.. but what do i know.

what makes you think the audio is stolen, much less the banner itself???

There is no porn company here who gets written ok to use stolen audio from MOTION PICTURES.

I need not explain myself here. Stolen content has been used in banners on GFY for years now...

Once they used Schultz Snoopy charachter and many times it has been songs/audio and many times quotes from movies. You cannot do this and then try and pass yourself off as "against piracy."

Using someones property is illegal, whether it is a cartoon charachter or a sample from a movie.

Fletch XXX · 08-27-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Who care about music industry?They suck one way or another.

Nothing to do with music. When you steal audio from a MOVIE and use it in your banner, it is illegal.

You can dodge it all you want, and ass kissers can start fights all they want - fact remains - stiolen content is being used on this forum in banners to GET YOUR EYES AND make money off the ads.

meanwhile, 4 people started anti-torrent sites.

Fact is, people are only against torrents because its the new "content crusade" - if torrents were only about stealing music, you webmasters wouldnt even know what the word "torrent" meant. But as soon as someone downloads a blowjob vid, the witch hunt begins.

again, laughable at best.

k0nr4d · 08-27-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by who

All I want is that audio is banned in banner ads.

The Duke? The duke of new york!

prezzz · 08-27-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Who care about music industry?They suck one way or another.

The rest of the world regarding the torrent issue:
'Who cares about porn industry? They suck one way or another (no pun intended). And what they do is immoral, so stealing from them is actually a good thing, it makes the world better'.

Any kind of intellectual property theft sucks, but you just won't realize it until you're affected yourself...

Fletch XXX · 08-27-2007, 06:30 AM

and again, i dont care what you steal. Go steal what you want. Make money off it, hell google video makes money off showing others vids. You can too!

But I just had to speak on this when I see the torrent crusade in full swing, and meanwhile stolen content is reaching for my attention through VERY EXPENSIVE audio banners.

I guess im the only one who sees things for what they are anymore...

anyway... got plenty of work to do and not here looking for fights, just setting things straight.

go on your crusade if you must, just make sure you look around at what is around you before you get all high and mighty.

ive had content, designs, sites, you name it stolen from me. you just gotta move on to the next project.

JamesK2 · 08-27-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

what makes you think the audio is stolen, much less the banner itself???

polish_aristocrat · 08-27-2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

because you arent out there starting a war against it like you are torrents.

it's been brought up a few times as you can see by my bumps

and right now, i am not sure if theres still a banner with popular music

i think only the duke banner that is waking up my neighboors has sound

Tom_PM · 08-27-2007, 06:35 AM

Isn't there some guideline that you have to use "X" amount of time before it's infringing? Just curious, but I think I heard that in a DVD commentary regarding a small clip of sound they used. Guy said it was so short because otherwise they would have had to pay for it.

Fletch XXX · 08-27-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

it's been brought up a few times as you can see by my bumps

and right now, i am not sure if theres still a banner with popular music

i think only the duke banner that is waking up my neighboors has sound

Look I was bringing this up years ago, before someone used Snoopy cartoons in banners, and way back when others were using stolen audio...

the fact is, it is still going on. Why was it not stopped?

Did the people who run this forum stop caring about "stolen content?"

Ummm, i dont consider myself the smartest man in the word, but its not too hard to recognize stol;en audio in banners.

And the banners have been inrotation with stolen content for years now, no one cared or cares.

Do you understand? I run a forum for webmasters, Ive been asked to do audio banners, and I refused. I refuse to put up advertising banners with stolen content in them.

Do you see me starting threads about being anti-piracy?

The righteous are usually part of the problem.

JamesK2 · 08-27-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

it's been brought up a few times as you can see by my bumps

and right now, i am not sure if theres still a banner with popular music

i think only the duke banner that is waking up my neighboors has sound

You call that a war? A few threads with 15 posts in it with people asking if it's stolen? Compare this to the torrent threads. It's not even comparable.

Robbie · 08-27-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

again, laughable at best.

I see your point, but not that it's "laughable" This is a PORN webmasters forum. About the PORN business. And the "witchunt" is about taking ENTIRE movies from members areas and stealing them and distributing them for profit without consent.

If this were a Record Industry or mainstream Movie Industry forum then I would suspect that they would be concerned about that.
But since this is a forum for adult webmasters....it makes sense to me that we are addressing our own issues.

The audio being used without permission? You're right. Not legal.

If someone used the entire "Escape From New York" movie as a download to profit using a banner (somehow) then yes, I believe eyebrows would be raised right here on GFY and we who are against content theft would talk about that too.

But when I and many others are having our content stolen, I don't think it's "laughable" that we didn't take umbrage to a banner saying "The Duke Of New York!"

It's wrong to use the audio. But in my list of priorities...on a forum designed to address the adult internet...you have to forgive people for focusing on the bigger problem that affects the adult industry

Fletch XXX · 08-27-2007, 06:41 AM

Somehow I think if you owned the content your opinion would be different.

Which proves my point, the only reason you guys care about "piracy" is when it comes to ripping YOUR content. So the "anti-piracy" cause is a front.

It has nothing to do with piracy. You are either against it or not.

So by downplaying the value of someone elses content, you think this validates your argument?

If I owned rights to a movie, I wouldnt want any of you people using 10 seconds of my property without paying me. Why do you people see their content as not worthy of protection, but your creampie vid is so precious?

polish_aristocrat · 08-27-2007, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

You call that a war?

not really, where did I say "war"?

but seriously, I agree it's not in the webmaster interest to care about that

I mean, this is a great board but it is run as it is, and there are constantly many things to bitch about, from annoying trolls who don't get banned for two weeks to GFY being often so slow that a thread takes 2 minutes to load

would you also expect webmasters here to start threads with 300 replies asking Lensman to remove a banner from "yet another sponsor" who uses some music in their banner?

not sure how to say it without putting GFY in a bad light, but there are indeed other forums where the owners have a more pro-active approach to certain industry problems than the owners of GFY who - as it seems - run this board more or less on auto-pilot

hell, even Smokey made a thread about Realitycash/playboy content used on torrents to pomote AFF and no one really cared

nico-t · 08-27-2007, 06:57 AM

i recall someone saying that a few seconds audio snippet is allowed

da man · 08-27-2007, 07:14 AM

I think its about the same thing

Martin3 · 08-27-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

i recall someone saying that a few seconds audio snippet is allowed

Not for commercial use it's not.

BusterBunny · 08-27-2007, 07:56 AM

i'd say it's worse because it's being used to make money for the infringers...

CaptainHowdy · 08-27-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

The Duke? The duke of new york!

!

xxxdesign-net · 08-27-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

because you arent out there starting a war against it like you are torrents.

You must support it then. Either you are against stolen content or you are not.

Personally, i dont care about torrents or what audio you steal, i just get tired of seeing people start witch campaigns about "stolen content" when there are top banner spots using stolen content to get your attention.

laughable at best

Now thats some fuzzy logic... lol

We are suppose to fight all injustices now? If not, it means you approve of those you didnt fight against? lol You pick the ones that concern you directly.. The rest, doesnt mean you approve but you have better things to do then to police the world..

stickyfingerz · 08-27-2007, 08:45 AM

Bump for self righteous hypocrites...

Angie77 · 08-27-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

what makes you think the audio is stolen, much less the banner itself???

That was going to be my question.

stev0 · 08-27-2007, 09:36 AM

Could fall under fair use...

It doesn't harm the value of the original product at all, would be a hard copyright case to win IMO.

The Sultan Of Smut · 08-27-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Is usuing stolen audio clips from movies in banners on GFY any different than torrents?

I bet if you owned the content it wouldnt be, would it?

If the song is older than 25 years than in most cases the copywrite has expired. There are a few exceptions like Elvis and The Beatles (and a few others) only because the RIAA re-applied for 99 year copywrites on their music so that they can squeeze more money out of people.

Quagmire · 08-27-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Isn't there some guideline that you have to use "X" amount of time before it's infringing? Just curious, but I think I heard that in a DVD commentary regarding a small clip of sound they used. Guy said it was so short because otherwise they would have had to pay for it.

I was digging around but I couldn't find the info about it. There definitely is something along those lines. Anyone over 30 would remember it from all the legal battles in the 80s over musicians sampling other musicians and sound clips.

flashfire · 08-27-2007, 12:12 PM

you know all the people bitching about torrent sites have computers full of "stolen" music and movies. Dont forget the cracked software they use to build their sites.

_Richard_ · 08-27-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by who

Exactly. It's deeply serious copyright violation. A deeply seriously annoying one.

08-27-2007, 06:12 AM	#1
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Is the stolen audio in banners on GFY any different than torrent stealing? Is usuing stolen audio clips from movies in banners on GFY any different than torrents? I bet if you owned the content it wouldnt be, would it? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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08-27-2007, 06:30 AM	#15
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	and again, i dont care what you steal. Go steal what you want. Make money off it, hell google video makes money off showing others vids. You can too! But I just had to speak on this when I see the torrent crusade in full swing, and meanwhile stolen content is reaching for my attention through VERY EXPENSIVE audio banners. I guess im the only one who sees things for what they are anymore... anyway... got plenty of work to do and not here looking for fights, just setting things straight. go on your crusade if you must, just make sure you look around at what is around you before you get all high and mighty. ive had content, designs, sites, you name it stolen from me. you just gotta move on to the next project. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-27-2007, 06:16 AM	#5
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Exactly. It's deeply serious copyright violation. A deeply seriously annoying one.

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fuzzylogic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: buffalo, las vegas. icq: 285808879 Posts: 4,796	damn, i didnt think this thread would get any replies.. but what do i know. what makes you think the audio is stolen, much less the banner itself???

08-27-2007, 06:21 AM	#9
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Who care about music industry?They suck one way or another.

08-27-2007, 06:35 AM	#18
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Isn't there some guideline that you have to use "X" amount of time before it's infringing? Just curious, but I think I heard that in a DVD commentary regarding a small clip of sound they used. Guy said it was so short because otherwise they would have had to pay for it. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-27-2007, 06:41 AM	#22
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Somehow I think if you owned the content your opinion would be different. Which proves my point, the only reason you guys care about "piracy" is when it comes to ripping YOUR content. So the "anti-piracy" cause is a front. It has nothing to do with piracy. You are either against it or not. So by downplaying the value of someone elses content, you think this validates your argument? If I owned rights to a movie, I wouldnt want any of you people using 10 seconds of my property without paying me. Why do you people see their content as not worthy of protection, but your creampie vid is so precious? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-27-2007, 06:57 AM	#24
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	i recall someone saying that a few seconds audio snippet is allowed

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da man Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,375	I think its about the same thing __________________ Mike Cross : Kink.com : ICQ: 413115769

08-27-2007, 07:56 AM	#27
BusterBunny perverted justice decoy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: unborn still in the womb connected via blackberry Posts: 19,291	i'd say it's worse because it's being used to make money for the infringers... __________________ my sig caught gonoherpasyphilaids and died

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stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	Bump for self righteous hypocrites...

08-27-2007, 09:36 AM	#32
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	Could fall under fair use... It doesn't harm the value of the original product at all, would be a hard copyright case to win IMO.

08-27-2007, 12:12 PM	#35
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	you know all the people bitching about torrent sites have computers full of "stolen" music and movies. Dont forget the cracked software they use to build their sites.