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Old 08-24-2007, 12:14 PM   #1
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********Important Piracy Round Table Update********





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Old 08-24-2007, 12:27 PM   #2
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NOTE the changes please.

No one will be admitted that isn't a content producer. No one.

Sorry.

There will be opportunity a little further on in the process where we will introduce other elements of the community for input and effect. Affils, Press, other organizations, etc.

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Old 08-24-2007, 01:33 PM   #6
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Very nice airek good work, We will try to make it out there for this
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What is this round table supposed to accomplish exactly?

I'm all about not having our adult content uploaded or shared for free, but I'm not sure what this meeting is supposed to do. Sure you said it in the image/flyer but what is the adult industry or online adult industry going to do that's different than the MPAA and such? Especially to places like the pirate bay that aren't even in the U.S.? It just sounds like it'll cause drama in our industry, cost companies money to get involved, and nothing positive will happen regarding protecting the rights of our content. Don't think I'm an asshole for posting this, I'm just curious on how this is going to be any different than other organizations.

You're going to come up with solutions to stop our content from being pirated? Or create a list of companies to boycott that appear (or promoted) on pirating sites? Or personally take on some torrent sites?

Movie studios lose a lot and they're having problems combating the issue and I think they have more money than the adult industry that will be getting involved in this.
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By the way I think that one of the best ways to help out is to not promote companies that are funding the piracy sites or convincing those sites to stop allowing those sites in as affiliates. It does make the adult industry look worse, it's not helping other affiliate companies, and those sites being promoted on the torrent sites seem to want to make some quick cash... as much and as fast as possible before they close shop. That income for them won't last forever and it just hurts the rest of us.
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By the way I think that one of the best ways to help out is to not promote companies that are funding the piracy sites or convincing those sites to stop allowing those sites in as affiliates. It does make the adult industry look worse, it's not helping other affiliate companies, and those sites being promoted on the torrent sites seem to want to make some quick cash... as much and as fast as possible before they close shop. That income for them won't last forever and it just hurts the rest of us.
This is part of my solution to some of the problems, is to disassociate with those who do associate.

Making a stand takes a lot of people to step up, so it's going to get interesting to say the least.
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And for the 30 or so people who have asked me on ICQ no I will not be in attendance for this meeting.

But, I hear Airek is going to give a handjob to the best question asked during the roundtable, so be sure to come prepared.
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And for the 30 or so people who have asked me on ICQ no I will not be in attendance for this meeting.

But, I hear Airek is going to give a handjob to the best question asked during the roundtable, so be sure to come prepared.
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:14 PM   #18
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the goal is to get the decision makers there, which in most cases we are doing. if the decision maker cannot make it, then someone in upper management may attend. this is a serious subject and not some dog and pony seminar. if we don't have the decision makers present, it wont be as effective.
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if anyone is wondering why it is studios, producers, and distributors, its because they are the ones with the skin in the game. we don't want the meeting sidetracked into someone's technology solution, or someone's opinion that may be motivated by ulterior motives,(say it isn't so airek, not in adult), or the many other aspects and levels of involvement that issue spans. this is pandora's box and we know it. we would rather deal with it one piece at a time. we know that other people's opinions are valid and needed. we want others involved as this is an industry problem. the decision has been made to just let the producers of adult content speak together as a sector of the industry. there are going to plenty of opportunities for the other sectors to work together with the content producers to help control piracy a little. we all know that its not going to stop, but there are several things that can be done to start twarting it a little.
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not tryin to bust balls but why are you going airek??

arnt you just a pr guy?
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not tryin to bust balls but why are you going airek??

arnt you just a pr guy?
nah, you aren't busting my balls.

i'm a clown.


oh, and a cheerleader.

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but can i get an answer?
what are you representing at this meeting???

the bro's? ;)
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but can i get an answer?
what are you representing at this meeting???

the bro's? ;)
i'm confused? shane's world is a studio, i am upper level management and the one setting all this up and you think i wouldn't be there?

what are you getting at?
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What is this round table supposed to accomplish exactly?

I'm all about not having our adult content uploaded or shared for free, but I'm not sure what this meeting is supposed to do. Sure you said it in the image/flyer but what is the adult industry or online adult industry going to do that's different than the MPAA and such? Especially to places like the pirate bay that aren't even in the U.S.? It just sounds like it'll cause drama in our industry, cost companies money to get involved, and nothing positive will happen regarding protecting the rights of our content. Don't think I'm an asshole for posting this, I'm just curious on how this is going to be any different than other organizations.

You're going to come up with solutions to stop our content from being pirated? Or create a list of companies to boycott that appear (or promoted) on pirating sites? Or personally take on some torrent sites?

Movie studios lose a lot and they're having problems combating the issue and I think they have more money than the adult industry that will be getting involved in this.
The advantage we have over movie studios, we can go after advertisers. They wont because they all need each other. Paramount hits walmart with a lawsuit, walmart never carries their movies again. Once again we shall be the innovators, one judgment and the game will change so radically for mainstream as well as adult.
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tell you what for no one thinking anything like this is going to work, our phones are freaking melting over here.

anti piracy groups from autralia attending
anti piracy groups from holland attending
the l.a. times calling for stories
the san fernando business journal calling for stories
san diego union tribune
magazines
publicists
tech companies.
studios off the hook about how they are sick of this and attending

they're all hearing about it. i may need to get a bigger room.



this is insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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bump I will be there most likely with a few others from Red Light.... See you then I will rsvp over the weekend.
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I'll be there...hell I could walk there from my house.


yah, you could almost hear the meeting take place if you opened your front windows.

sorry i didn't make it to the party wed night man. conked out after the gym and didn't hear the phone. looks like a lot of snizz was there and the sausage was super minimal.

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The advantage we have over movie studios, we can go after advertisers. They wont because they all need each other. Paramount hits walmart with a lawsuit, walmart never carries their movies again. Once again we shall be the innovators, one judgment and the game will change so radically for mainstream as well as adult.
But this isn't about brick and mortar business. Why doesn't Paramount go after AFF (and others) then?
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why hype it up on the boards like this if general population is not invited??

kinda like rubbing it into peoples faces " i can go but you cant na na na na na "....

but whatever good luck with your endover's
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why hype it up on the boards like this if general population is not invited??

kinda like rubbing it into peoples faces " i can go but you cant na na na na na "....

but whatever good luck with your endover's

no need for me to explain. there is a psychological reason for everything, and its NOT to neener neeener people. no need for me to explain why i am doing what i am doing. just remember what i told you. everything i do is calculated. thanks for the well wishes.

later everyone, its the weekend.

gonna go chill.

peace.

have a good weekend everyone.
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Bump for progress... I will be present representing our crew with our concerns and interests.
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At least it's a step in the right direction,many consider it a cost of doing business and really need to help stop it instead..it's too massive of a problem to be able to control it unfortunately
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hmm so which will be targets?
- torrents users?
- torrent aggregators?
- online file storage sites (rapidshare)
- online file storage users?
- porn youtube cloans?
- newsgroup postings?
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So many questions come up and I partly agree with the "producers only" approach. However;

Any lawyers attending this meeting?

Without some keen legal brains you might be discussing solutions that are not workable. Organising boycotts of sites/sponsors/programs that don't work the way you say they have to might be illegal. Some of the costs are met by advertising. What are the legal implications of suing the advertisers on sites containing stolen content?

Any billing/processing companies attending this meeting?

VG Content has shown one way to combat these sites. They cost money to run and bills have to be met. Some do it by selling a program or cheap access so are you going to be including the processing community in on the discussions?


Some of these sites contain content that seems to be illegal, scat, bestiality, etc. What will be the approach on this front?

Will you be discussing the setting up of a unit to monitor sites stealing content and how will the cost be met?

If such a unit is set up will it only look for content belonging to members of any "association"?

Do you have anyone attending with genuine long term experience in closing down sites with stolen/illegal content?

I applaud your steps and back you 100%. Would love to attend but on the other side of the pond. So will you be having a round table in Europe?
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so far this is turning out amazing with the response. all this and more so far.

we have a representative from the dutch anti piracy group responsible for most of the damage to the torrent and stolen content industry attending.

we have a representative from the australian anti piracy organization coming. they are responsible for several people being arrested for pirating hollywood movies.

we have paul berra, jules jordan and his attorneys, other leading legal minds in the intellectual property field, and a plethora of major studios, distributors, and content producers.

we have a moderator/facilitator graciously paid for by Hush Money.

we have a massive buffet of food and refreshments (NO BOOZE), paid for by World Wide Content.

we have the ballroom at the sheraton universal, security, registration to keep people out that shouldn't be there. slippery torrent spies might try to slip in.

5 days folks. god i hope this comes to something. time will tell. cross your fingers everyone, i'm feeling lucky.

and, the lottery tonight is 335 million dollars. i got 70 quick pick tickets. i bought one ticket on wednesday and won 60 dollars on it, and took those winnings and spun them into 70 shots at the big one. woooooooot!

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So many questions come up and I partly agree with the "producers only" approach. However;

Any lawyers attending this meeting?

Without some keen legal brains you might be discussing solutions that are not workable. Organising boycotts of sites/sponsors/programs that don't work the way you say they have to might be illegal. Some of the costs are met by advertising. What are the legal implications of suing the advertisers on sites containing stolen content?

Any billing/processing companies attending this meeting?

VG Content has shown one way to combat these sites. They cost money to run and bills have to be met. Some do it by selling a program or cheap access so are you going to be including the processing community in on the discussions?


Some of these sites contain content that seems to be illegal, scat, bestiality, etc. What will be the approach on this front?

Will you be discussing the setting up of a unit to monitor sites stealing content and how will the cost be met?

If such a unit is set up will it only look for content belonging to members of any "association"?

Do you have anyone attending with genuine long term experience in closing down sites with stolen/illegal content?

I applaud your steps and back you 100%. Would love to attend but on the other side of the pond. So will you be having a round table in Europe?
all of the issues you have mentioned here will be addressed paul. and more. i don't want to get into the syllabus too much because there are members of the ENEMY side of this whole thing that read here and i'm not gonna show any cards to them. there will be an opportuniy, probably at Internext I would imagine to put ALL the content owners in a room, or as many as possible, we just don't have the luxury of waiting until january to start this. this need addressing now. the people in that room on sept 5th, have the same issues as any other content producer, so we are fully acting within that mindset.

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So many questions come up and I partly agree with the "producers only" approach. However;

Any lawyers attending this meeting?

Without some keen legal brains you might be discussing solutions that are not workable. Organising boycotts of sites/sponsors/programs that don't work the way you say they have to might be illegal. Some of the costs are met by advertising. What are the legal implications of suing the advertisers on sites containing stolen content?

Any billing/processing companies attending this meeting?

VG Content has shown one way to combat these sites. They cost money to run and bills have to be met. Some do it by selling a program or cheap access so are you going to be including the processing community in on the discussions?


Some of these sites contain content that seems to be illegal, scat, bestiality, etc. What will be the approach on this front?

Will you be discussing the setting up of a unit to monitor sites stealing content and how will the cost be met?

If such a unit is set up will it only look for content belonging to members of any "association"?

Do you have anyone attending with genuine long term experience in closing down sites with stolen/illegal content?

I applaud your steps and back you 100&#37;. Would love to attend but on the other side of the pond. So will you be having a round table in Europe?
It's a first meeting.....of many more to follow....so I assume (correct me if I'm wrong here)
it's vital that the content producers as being the top of the food
chain to get their heads together...and come to a joint strategy to move
forward with this.

Once that's achieved it will be taken to the next step and the next and so forth.

To start with a HUGE group of people all representing different parts of the
food chain it will be next to impossible to come to good and working strategy.

Also it's everyone's best interest to keep all the information and especially
the details in our own family. We don't want to make anyone smarter that
doesn't need to be smarter regarding these actions.

So In time more segments of the industry will be included as the process
starts to take shape. No one will be left out but you have to start somewhere
and it's for many reasons best to do it smaller segments to avoid a chaos
of opinions which will lead to NOTHING!

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It's a first meeting.....of many more to follow....so I assume (correct me if I'm wrong here)
it's vital that the content producers as being the top of the food
chain to get their heads together...and come to a joint strategy to move
forward with this.

Once that's achieved it will be taken to the next step and the next and so forth.

To start with a HUGE group of people all representing different parts of the
food chain it will be next to impossible to come to good and working strategy.

Also it's everyone's best interest to keep all the information and especially
the details in our own family. We don't want to make anyone smarter that
doesn't need to be smarter regarding these actions.

So In time more segments of the industry will be included as the process
starts to take shape. No one will be left out but you have to start somewhere
and it's for many reasons best to do it smaller segments to avoid a chaos
of opinions which will lead to NOTHING!

you are correct sir.

there are three groups.

content producers
distributors
lawyers

at the first meeting.

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you are correct sir.

there are three groups.

content producers
distributors
lawyers

at the first meeting.
dammit I'm smart
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