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  • pocketkangaroo
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2005
    • 8452

    #31
    Originally posted by aico
    3) The Federal Reserve makes the money, and LOANS it to the US Gov't with interest.
    The Federal Reserve rebates almost all interest paid back to the Treasury at the end of the year.

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    • aico
      Moo Moo Cow
      • Mar 2004
      • 14748

      #32
      Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
      The Federal Reserve rebates almost all interest paid back to the Treasury at the end of the year.


      Sorry couldn't stop laughing at that.

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      • aico
        Moo Moo Cow
        • Mar 2004
        • 14748

        #33
        Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
        Considering the first part of that movie is filled with huge innacuraccies, why should parts 2 and 3 be considered fact?

        I just don't get why everyone trusts any video some kid posts on YouTube. Especially one posted by a guy who made up half the shit in his Jesus skit.
        Hmmm, so what are your sources for these "inaccuracies". I just don't get why everyone should believe you just because you posted it.

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        • Pleasurepays
          BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
          • Aug 2002
          • 11913

          #34
          Originally posted by ronaldo
          The beauty of conspiracy theorists is they don't have to answer YOUR questions. You have to answer theirs.
          haha...
          very true.

          you might also add that any source cited as "proof" of anything is just "propaganda"... any view you have is the direct result of being "brainwasted" and if you don't read obscure blogs and bizarre and silly "news sites" then you are just not willing to "find the truth"
          Last edited by Pleasurepays; 08-23-2007, 07:18 PM.

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          • kane
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Aug 2001
            • 20684

            #35
            I'm enjoying the thread. Interesting stuff in here.

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            • TheDoc
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2001
              • 13827

              #36
              World control of oil to later control the world eco. To create a war which is all about making money for yourself and friends. To force place the united states into massive dept. To start the movement of one north american dollar. To prove to the world they have us fooled.
              ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
              It's all disambiguation

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              • pocketkangaroo
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2005
                • 8452

                #37
                Originally posted by aico


                Sorry couldn't stop laughing at that.
                http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...pdf/tables.pdf

                Read page 293-295. Clearly shows the re-payments of interest back to the treasury. The Federal Reserve finances are audited by federal agencies, private banks within the US and Internationally, and 3rd party auditers.

                Here is how it is run:

                http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...faq/faqfrs.htm

                The only argument that can be made is that they do take out "expenses" for the loans to the US. So they take that out of the interest they re-pay. It accounts for a small percent, but nowhere near the amount of the entire interest.

                As for the conspiracy that this was just one big way to make the Federal Reserve rich, you might want to look elsewhere. The Reserve really doesn't own a lot of our debt (under 10%). So if you want to play conspiracy theory with loaning money to the US, go after a country like China that actually benefits more from this than our Treasury which just collects expenses on the money they loan us.

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                • pocketkangaroo
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 8452

                  #38
                  Originally posted by aico
                  Hmmm, so what are your sources for these "inaccuracies". I just don't get why everyone should believe you just because you posted it.
                  I'm an Atheist so I don't really give a shit where Christianity pulled their shit from. But it wasn't from Horus and the Egyptians. Here is what I posted in another thread on this topic:

                  Lets start with Horus since he is the primary figure they relate to Jesus.

                  -He was not born of a virgin. His mother was Isis and father was Osiris.

                  -He was not born on the 25th of December, but instead on November 15.

                  -He was born in a swamp, not a cave. It also has no mention of a star in the east. There was also no mentiond of 3 wise men at the birth (it also doesn't mention in the bible that wise men attended the birth).

                  -He had four disciples, not 12. And 16 human followers. There is not one Egyptian scholar that can find any reference to the number 12 with him.

                  -There are no stories of him walking on water.

                  -He never taught in a temple and never got baptized.

                  -He was never crucified and thus never rose from the dead.

                  -The supposed conflict between him and Set being about a fight for day and night is total bullshit. Set was the desert god and night and day is explained by the eyes of Horus. He had one eye gouged out which represents the moon and the other which represents the Sun. While he did have epic battles with Set, they primarily explain the coming together of Upper and Lower Egypt and have nothing to do with a battle over night/day.

                  That's just on Horus alone. I'm not even getting into the other gods, zodiac stuff, and made up symbolism that was debunked hundreds of years ago. The religion stuff is pure crap and bullshit. If he lied about that stuff, why not lie about the rest of the movie?

                  As for sources, it's in virtually every history book in the world.

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                  • Shakula
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 948

                    #39
                    Now, lets look from a logic standpoint.

                    Since when does steel melt at that temprature that the airplanes created?
                    Ive seen a few youtube videos where experts talk about this, they say it would lose about 30-40% of the normal strength. Even thoug the steel would lose its strenght to this point, it doesnt matter, it should still hold up.

                    Second, both the towers fell down without any resistance, each floor should have slowned down the actully fall of the tower. It didnt, it was like a ball falling down because of gravity.

                    Third, the towers had a steel core in the middle, you can see pictures about this on google, its impossible that they would fall down like it did. You couldnt even find pieces of em on the ground zero.

                    This is too advance information for most GFY´ers since most of you dont have any kind of college degree and some of you has a few shitty diplomas that you can buy from ebay for 10 dollar. So, call your local university and ask about this.

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                    • tony299
                      lurker
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 57021

                      #40
                      FDR knew :http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408

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                      • Ripshit
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 951

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Shakula
                        Now, lets look from a logic standpoint.
                        This is too advance information for most GFY´ers since most of you dont have any kind of college degree and some of you has a few shitty diplomas that you can buy from ebay for 10 dollar. So, call your local university and ask about this.
                        Oh but why or how would most of the non believers want to do that youd have to make them think now wouldnt you?
                        You actually expect people like that to care to see beyond their republican "We love america,lets sit out on a lawnchair,and watch the fireworks"asses?

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                        • aico
                          Moo Moo Cow
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 14748

                          #42
                          Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                          I'm an Atheist so I don't really give a shit where Christianity pulled their shit from. But it wasn't from Horus and the Egyptians. Here is what I posted in another thread on this topic:

                          Lets start with Horus since he is the primary figure they relate to Jesus.

                          -He was not born of a virgin. His mother was Isis and father was Osiris.
                          I'll just start with your first one, took me 2 minutes.

                          The story goes as follows: Seth (brother of Osiris) was jealous of Osiris and fought him to the death. After he killed Osiris he cut his body up into 14 pieces and spread the pieces throughout Egypt. Isis (Osiris' wife) found out that her husband was killed and she searched egypt looking for his body parts. She found all but one (his penis) and using her magic she put his body together and buried him, during the process of putting him back together she became impregnated with her son Horus.

                          http://www.crystalinks.com/horus.html


                          and

                          As Harsiesis, he is "Horus, the son of Isis". Horus was conceived magically by Isis following the murder of his father, Osiris.

                          http://www.egyptianmyths.net/horus.htm


                          I won't bother with the rest, because if you are wrong on the first one, odds are you are talking out your ass on the rest as well.

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                          • Rochard
                            Jägermeister Test Pilot
                            • Dec 2001
                            • 75733

                            #43
                            Originally posted by nico-t
                            would bush be reelected if 9/11 never happened? I doubt it. And they would never have a far fetched reason to invade iraq - it doesnt have shit to do with eachother but the people were willing to accept any enemy for revenge. It was all VERY convenient.
                            I highly doubt that he would have been re-elected if it wasn't for 9/11. No matter who was in office at that moment, the entire country stood behind the Oval Office.
                            Herschel Savage
                            Brooklyn, NY

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                            • Rochard
                              Jägermeister Test Pilot
                              • Dec 2001
                              • 75733

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Shakula
                              Now, lets look from a logic standpoint.

                              Since when does steel melt at that temprature that the airplanes created?
                              Ive seen a few youtube videos where experts talk about this, they say it would lose about 30-40% of the normal strength. Even thoug the steel would lose its strenght to this point, it doesnt matter, it should still hold up.
                              Let's just say that there was no fire. No fire at all. The planes smashed into the buildings at full force, at speed. It took out several floors of support on one side, as well as the middle. No one is sure what other damage the impacts had. This in itself is more than enough to take the buildings down.

                              Don't give me that "screen mesh" argument, comparing the world trade structure to my screen door. Yes, I can poke a hole in my screen door and it will not fall on itself. This is because the screen itself isn't supported by the screen above it; The entire screen is being held at the top by the top of the screen door.

                              If you take away 25% of any buildings support, there is a damn good chance it's gonna fall. Now factor in that this was a few thousand feet up in the air and the building is in constant movement (Have you ever been up in the WTC?).

                              Originally posted by Shakula
                              Second, both the towers fell down without any resistance, each floor should have slowned down the actully fall of the tower. It didnt, it was like a ball falling down because of gravity.
                              Seems to me the building fell... just like any other building when it falls in on itself.

                              Originally posted by Shakula
                              Third, the towers had a steel core in the middle, you can see pictures about this on google, its impossible that they would fall down like it did. You couldnt even find pieces of em on the ground zero.
                              Yes, the towers had a steel core in the middle. But don't make it sound like this was solid steel thirty feet thick. Inside of this "steel core" was a large number of elevators - multiple large tall empty cores.

                              In fact, the moment the airplanes hit huge fireballs were sent down these elevator shafts and into the main lobbies.

                              Originally posted by Shakula
                              This is too advance information for most GFY´ers since most of you dont have any kind of college degree and some of you has a few shitty diplomas that you can buy from ebay for 10 dollar. So, call your local university and ask about this.
                              I'm gonna answer this section in two parts.

                              A) I have two college degrees, one from a very large university in California.

                              B) Since your so damn fucking smart, pehaps you should learn proper English. Your above statement should read "advanced" (not "advance") and it's "10 dollars" or "$10" (not "10 dollar").

                              While I'm correcting your damn grammer, perhaps you can explain to me how "thoug" is a proper English word.
                              Herschel Savage
                              Brooklyn, NY

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                              • aico
                                Moo Moo Cow
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 14748

                                #45
                                Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...pdf/tables.pdf

                                Read page 293-295. Clearly shows the re-payments of interest back to the treasury. The Federal Reserve finances are audited by federal agencies, private banks within the US and Internationally, and 3rd party auditers.

                                Here is how it is run:

                                http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...faq/faqfrs.htm

                                The only argument that can be made is that they do take out "expenses" for the loans to the US. So they take that out of the interest they re-pay. It accounts for a small percent, but nowhere near the amount of the entire interest.

                                As for the conspiracy that this was just one big way to make the Federal Reserve rich, you might want to look elsewhere. The Reserve really doesn't own a lot of our debt (under 10%). So if you want to play conspiracy theory with loaning money to the US, go after a country like China that actually benefits more from this than our Treasury which just collects expenses on the money they loan us.
                                LMAO you're posting table from their website... no shit sherlock

                                Although the FED is required to give back most of its PROFITS back to the Treasury Dept., there is NO ORGANIZATION that has the power to AUDIT the FED (not even the Congress or the IRS)

                                Every year, a few Congressmen introduced a legislation to AUDIT the FED, and every year, the legislation is defeated.

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