I'll just start with your first one, took me 2 minutes.

The story goes as follows: Seth (brother of Osiris) was jealous of Osiris and fought him to the death. After he killed Osiris he cut his body up into 14 pieces and spread the pieces throughout Egypt. Isis (Osiris' wife) found out that her husband was killed and she searched egypt looking for his body parts. She found all but one (his penis) and using her magic she put his body together and buried him, during the process of putting him back together she became impregnated with her son Horus.

http://www.crystalinks.com/horus.html


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As Harsiesis, he is "Horus, the son of Isis". Horus was conceived magically by Isis following the murder of his father, Osiris.

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/horus.htm


I won't bother with the rest, because if you are wrong on the first one, odds are you are talking out your ass on the rest as well.

I highly doubt that he would have been re-elected if it wasn't for 9/11. No matter who was in office at that moment, the entire country stood behind the Oval Office.

Let's just say that there was no fire. No fire at all. The planes smashed into the buildings at full force, at speed. It took out several floors of support on one side, as well as the middle. No one is sure what other damage the impacts had. This in itself is more than enough to take the buildings down.

Don't give me that "screen mesh" argument, comparing the world trade structure to my screen door. Yes, I can poke a hole in my screen door and it will not fall on itself. This is because the screen itself isn't supported by the screen above it; The entire screen is being held at the top by the top of the screen door.

If you take away 25% of any buildings support, there is a damn good chance it's gonna fall. Now factor in that this was a few thousand feet up in the air and the building is in constant movement (Have you ever been up in the WTC?).

Seems to me the building fell... just like any other building when it falls in on itself.

Yes, the towers had a steel core in the middle. But don't make it sound like this was solid steel thirty feet thick. Inside of this "steel core" was a large number of elevators - multiple large tall empty cores.

In fact, the moment the airplanes hit huge fireballs were sent down these elevator shafts and into the main lobbies.

I'm gonna answer this section in two parts.

A) I have two college degrees, one from a very large university in California.

B) Since your so damn fucking smart, pehaps you should learn proper English. Your above statement should read "advanced" (not "advance") and it's "10 dollars" or "$10" (not "10 dollar").

While I'm correcting your damn grammer, perhaps you can explain to me how "thoug" is a proper English word.

LMAO you're posting table from their website... no shit sherlock

Although the FED is required to give back most of its PROFITS back to the Treasury Dept., there is NO ORGANIZATION that has the power to AUDIT the FED (not even the Congress or the IRS)

Every year, a few Congressmen introduced a legislation to AUDIT the FED, and every year, the legislation is defeated.

What about the billion dollar asbestos problem the WTC buildings had that needed to be dealt with? That could have also been a reason they let the attacks happen, along with wanting to gain support for going to war. Didn't Bush's brother run the company that was in charge of the WTC buildings' security? Maybe the Silversteins and Bush's are closer than people think?

The developer/leaseholder Larry Silverstein even admitted that they "pulled" building 7.

Engineers who built the towers have said it was built to withstand such impacts, several of them actually.

Find me a building that has fallen on itself without controlled demolition.

Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.

It didn't melt, but it was weakened.

I honestly believe there is more to 9/11 then anyone knows and I believe that ethier the goverment knew and let it happen or did it themselfs but it does not matter. Even if there was direct evidence and real proff they would find a way to dismiss it. Think of it, if bush or his party was found guility of being involved with 911 the entire country would fall.

No, there was molten steel.

This thread continues to prove that people really don't have much knowledge of what really happened and the facts. Regardless if it's a "conspiracy" or not, at least take the time to know all the facts so you can form a more informed opinion.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8X5F5PttzJY

Read the first line of the link you gave me. I will quote it for you:

Your "psychic lady" website leaves out an important part of the story. The penis was actually eaten by a fish (well in Egyptian versions it is, others say it was an alligator and others say it was buried). Isis created a penis out of gold and resurrected Osiris for one day so that she could conceive Horus who would avenge his father's death. After that day, Osiris became the ruler of the underworld.

But don't take my world for it, it's only the most important myth to ever come out of the Egyptian era. It's called the Legend (or Myth) of Osiris and Isis and can be found in its entirety in tons of places. There are pictures and artwork drawn from that period that depict their copulating. Running a Google search on the myth should pull up a lot of reputable sites (as well as images). In the meantime, I've posted a link to the Wikipedia page that gives a brief overview of the legend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_Osiris_and_Isis

Feel free to go through the other "facts" from the movie that I stated were wrong. I understand your reluctance to research them.

No it wouldnt. The building itself is very strong plus the weight gives the extra strength.

Watch from 2 min and 50 sec.

Listen to me idiot, do you know how objects work with gravity?
Let me put an easy example so you understand.

You take a regular glas, put it on the ground, then take a bowling ball and drop it from 1 meter above the glas, once the bowling ball hits the glas, do you think the speed will continue to be constant? Or will the ball slow down because of the impact?

Now, this is very simple to understand. Its one of the most basic laws on earth. Yet at your age you dont understand it. Sad. Go and study basic physics.

Anyway, each floor on the twin towers should have slowned down the procces when the top of the building was falling down. But it didnt, the speed was constant. That means, each floor must have been fucked somehow. There has been no resistance. Why? Its impossible that it can happend from 2 planes.

Educate yourself.


A. College degree, please, dont say more. Im already laughing.
But its good, im sure you have a bit more education then the rest of your uneducated family. But then again, america needs soldiers.

B. Proper english? English isnt my first language. And im sure I could write a more advance article then yourself in english.

So, please, you can try to play intelligent. But leave this for the big boys, ok?
Go and drink som jägermeister and remember to take a few pictures, you should do what you are good at.

No, it only proves that people are not chemistry experts, and conspiracy theorists pretend to be. The clip you link, does not mention where, when and how much... Fact is that other metal was melting, but not steel. The only thing that could melten the steel, is thermite, and there are no proofs that thermite were used.

As someone who has a degree in fire science I'll just respond to this dumb ass quote because it's all over the place.

At 900 degrees steel will expand then contract.

The expanding and contracting will destroy any bolts or joints etc.. that hold it together. In fact, at high temps wood is actually a stronger material.

The steel in the towers did exactly this and finally gave away any support they provided then the collapse was due to the weight above the failure points.

This happens every day when buildings catch fire that have steel trusses.

Ask any fire fighter what type of building do they fear most and they will tell you buildings with steel trusses because the roofs will fall in on them. The WTC did the same thing but on a larger scale.

The statement on auditing is a blatant falsehood. The General Accounting Office has the authority via the Federal Banking Agency Audit Act of 1978 (here is the law). They have performed over 100 audits, here are a couple for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1999/ai99006.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0219.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1996/ai96005.pdf

You can go to the GAO website yourself (http://www.gao.gov/index.html) and run a search for federal reserve audit. You'll find a ton of results to quench your thirst.

The Federal Reserve has also been audited by major accounting firms such as Price Waterhouse. You can find those reports by running some Google searches.

Can you provide a link to the legislation that was submitted to allow audits of the Federal Reserve and was rejected?

Sorry, but I don't get my facts or use facts from Wikipedia...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

K, people are just going to start making shit up.

Prior to 9/11 no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire.

But you do pull facts from?

http://www.crystalinks.com

Or from sites that tell you that the Federal Reserve has never been audited while tons of government documents spanning decades show otherwise?

The Wiki was just for a brief overview of the real story. You can search the legend or myth of Isis and Osiris in Google and even pull up some of the sacred texts that were written on the walls.

And I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, I've just studied religious history for years and dislike when people in these movies distort the facts to get their point across. I truly believe that Christianity adopted parts of their beliefs from other religions, but I don't think Horus had much of an impact. I'd point to Dionysus (Greek) and the religion of Mithra that was practiced by the Romans as having more parralels to Christianity. There are some great books on where Christianity evolved from, and they are filled with factual evidence. This guy simply pulled information from a book written in 1999 that was more or less laughed at by historians. He mixed some truths in with some lies which made it believable.

So I'm guessing by the response to this thread nobody here believes that maybe there is a terrorist group that hates the US and over the course of a few years they snuck some operatives into our country and those operatives hijacked jets and flew them into buildings and that is the end of the story?

Is this site better for you?

"It should be mentioned that some Egyptologists see, in the iconography of Christian art, a precursor in Horus. For example, Isis and the baby Horus are sometimes seen as the model for Mary and the infant Jesus, while Horus dominating the beats may have a counterpart in Christ Pantokrator doing the same. Horus spearing a serpent may survive in the iconography of Saint George defeating the dragon."

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/horus.htm

here's a question for you.....if there's really nothing to hide then why
won't they agree with an independent investigation and release all the
found evidence like they do with EVERY other normal case.......

It's exactly for this reason why most people doubt certain kind of events

They are talking about artwork between the two religions. I fail to see what that has to do with the facts regarding the legend of Horus. The art is similar in some areas, here is a comparision of the two. Still, the painting on the right was created in the 5th Century, a few hundred years after Paul's gospels were written.

That wasn't the question you asked...

They didn't "sneak" in... they just walked in with all the proper documenation they needed...

LOL, nice try, but that bridge was made with Green Steel.

And how many steel buildings have been bombarded with Boeings in full speed?
Anyway, we had a building here that collapsed...

And how many buildings have collapsed faster than it would take for a rock to drop from the top of it to hit the ground, like Bldg. 7 did, which, didn't get hit by any plane?

Of course they said that. What would you expect them to say? "Oh, we built the buildings and failed?"

My car is designed to survive a head on accident at 30mph. Does that mean that 100% of the time I have a head on accident I'm going to live? No, of course not.

And truth be told, that's not what they said is it? They said the building was designed to withstand the impact of a smaller plane. The planes that hit the WTC weren't even designed when the buildings went up. They were larger and heavier.

It fell in a very similar fashion to a controlled demolition. What did you expect it to, tilt to one side and fall over?

I love this one. I really do.

Read carefully; In what I wrote I said "Imagine there was no fire". I never said fire brought down the building. A huge plane impacted the building, destroying the support of one entire side of the building across numerous floors. It also damaged the if not destroyed the "hollow solid steel core" (which held the elevator banks). No one has any idea what it did to the other three sides of the building.

This impact registered as a fucking earthquake already. It's no surprise that it came down.

The collapse of wtc7 was over 13 seconds

Rochard..the elevators..that shot a fireball down into the lobbies..werent connected.

there was no route between the elevators where the planes hit..and the lobbies


think about that

Yes, I'm sure that hundreds of tons of steel and concret that lost all of it's support is very strong.

I've watched the videos and I've read the books from both sides of the discussion. I'm not about to watch another one. What's your point?

I'm not sure what "glas" is it's hard to argue on this one. Do you mean glass?

I understand the laws of gravity. And while these laws of nature are generally set in stone, there are always exceptions.

If you drop a bowling ball from a certain height on to a sheet of glass, would it meet resistance and "slow down". Let's change the argument to make it more realistic. The question should be more like "If a stack of bowling balls glued to each other fell through a sheet of glass that was already weakened from a prior impact and that had partiall melted due to a fire. I think the fucking bowling balls would smash through the sheet of glass like it wasn't even there.

Tons of metal and concrete fell through what is really a hollow structure. It didn't meet resistance, but instead dragged or pushed it down. And I'm guessing it gained momentum on the way down which easily defeated any resistance.

With all of the silly points the tinfoil hat people make... this is the one that has escaped them.

I haven't studied blueprints of the WTC, but I've been there a number of times. I don't believe there was one elevator going staight to the top so a ball of fire coming down the elevator shafts all the way to the lobby at the moment of impact doens't make much sense to me.

My lord, no, building 7 wasn't hit by a plane.

It was hit by a lot of other things, caught on fire, and had two very tall buildings with hundreds of millions of tons of concrete and metal fall right next to it right on top of it.

Didn't both buidings falling each register as an eathquake? Wasn't that just enough to bring the building down?

Do you think any of the falling buildings hit building 7 and perhaps moved it off it's foundation?

a smart aussie

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-XJBsD8KVRw

I am moving to another country.

Maybe because if they did it would reveal that they had an utter breakdown in our security and it would show the country how vulnerable we really are. If they release a report that shows anyone with a few hundred dollars can get a visa, get in the country and do this, it would cause panic among the public and a wave of new terrorist trying to get into the country.

I really, really want to see this show... http://www.history.com/shows.do?acti...isodeId=240087

I watched it the other night, the debunked everything. With scientific evidence no less :winkwink:

Aw, that sucks. I was hoping it would be some guy just standing there giving his theory based on loose inconsistencies...ya know, kinda like Loose Change.

Seriously though, I heard it was good and do want to see it. Unlike some, I watched Loose Change and it raised some interesting points. Of course, THEN I went out and got the OTHER side of the story, usually from MULTIPLE sources.

I viewed Loose Change much as I view Michael Moore films. He raises some interesting points, but you have to get the other side of the story...you can't just believe everything he says.

If you want the absolute best documentary on the subject of the fraud that central banking/fractional reserve banking truely is then this you must watch..3 hours and it will change your life.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19560256183936