Should XTube Ban ALL Webmasters?

[XTube_Lance]

There was a business thread in which many people expressed their opinions about XTube and the volume of DMCA violations therein. The purpose of this thread is to ask all webmasters and sponsors if XTube should ban WMs from using the site.

This is an important question that you might want to think over because there are WMs who make money redirecting our members, for free.

Also, this is the thread to ask questions about how we operate, what we do about violations and how to get violations dealt with.

[OMG Jim]

I don't do this often but 'Sig Spot" seems to be in order here

It will be interesting to see everyone's opinions on this
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[GeXus]

Yawn....

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by XTube_Lance

Also, this is the thread to ask questions about how we operate, what we do about violations and how to get violations dealt with.

So how DO you operate? What do you do about violations?

And, how DO you get violations dealt with?

[Deej]

Originally Posted by GeXus

Yawn....

Sweet sig

[jonesonyou]

Are any of these webmasters redirecting to make sales to us. If not. Then ban them all.

[xclusive]

Is it profitable to look the other way while people upload content that doesn't belong to them?

[Libertine]

You should ban all common uploaders, and only allow content from sponsors who have explicitly given their permission for it to be used

[XTube_Lance]

Members upload content. That content is supposed to be home made amateur porn. Obviously people will steal and upload. We have a system in place that deals with that.

When you are looking at content you (or anyone) can report it for a number of violations. When you do that the content is removed from the site and goes into a queue for moderation. In addition the uploader will see that their content was reported, and for what reason. The uploader can challenge that violation with an explanation. Usually, when the violation really is a violation, the user does not challenge and its case-closed.

It is very often that users report WM content for violation because they think the content is stolen. Very easy to understand that because the only way to ID a WM over a regular user is the 120x60 button that appears in the description of the content. This button links to the WMs website or to the affiliate website, thus earning hits for the WM. There is no fee for WMs to do this.

In order for a WM to upload they must first enter their Sponsor, with their affiliate ID. Then the WM must enter linking codes to the sites they want to promote. When the WM uploads content they must choose which sponsor and linking code combination they want to use for the chosen upload. When they upload the content is placed online and admins can review their uploads to be sure the content matches what they have associated it with.

Any webmaster that violates is banned.

Violations can also be reported via an online DMCA tool accessable via the footer on all pages. You can phone us, email us, mail us or fax us. We are by no means afraid of contact. Contact us yourself or hire a lawyer to do it - the results are the same. All violations are treated equally and dealt with within a 48 hour period.

[jonesonyou]

[Humpy Leftnut]

How many Customer Service Reps or Worker Bees do you guys need to handle so many violations?

[AGP Albert]

I am not 100% familiar with the laws associated with file sharing programs and business models like Xtube.com. However, our business relationships with Xtube.com have been excellent and we will continue to do business with their team.

I have personal relationships with their managment team and I am more the confident that they will continue to run and honest business with integrity in mind.

[TheAccountant]

Paid accounts are the answer! Webmaster paid accounts will:

1) Skim the suckers
2) Give you more control on webmaster people
3) Give you some extra bucks ;)

[GITZINGER]

Ahhh. The Official "we've been caught like a deer in the headlights and need to save our companies reputation thread".

[Brujah]

I didn't look at xtube. Was stolen content identified, and xtube neglected to address it?

[XTube_Kurtis]

Originally Posted by GITZINGER

Ahhh. The Official "we've been caught like a deer in the headlights and need to save our companies reputation thread".

Not At All!!! HAHAHA More of the "Let's try to simplify this for oblivious people of GFY"

[GITZINGER]

I love this line from the other thread:

From the keyboard of Xtube Lance:

"When it comes to content approval the law does not allow for us to monitor each upload."



So, he's trying to make us believe that by law they are not allowed to monitor their own site.

What he meant to say was:


"When it comes to content approval the law says we don't have to monitor each upload."




Puhlease!!!

[D]

[XTube_Kurtis]

Originally Posted by Brujah

I didn't look at xtube. Was stolen content identified, and xtube neglected to address it?

No whats happening is people are saying we steal content and simply choose to look the other way... The case is the webmasters that these "people" are giving content to are posting it without permission and instead of simply talking to us they would rather waste time bashing us in a thread.

[XTube_Kurtis]

Originally Posted by GITZINGER

I love this line from the other thread:

From the keyboard of Xtube Lance:

"When it comes to content approval the law does not allow for us to monitor each upload."



So, he's trying to make us believe that by law they are not allowed to monitor their own site.

What he meant to say was:


"When it comes to content approval the law says we don't have to monitor each upload."




Puhlease!!!

Contact Pornotube and ask if they monitor uploads... THE RESULTS MAY BLOW YOUR MIND!!!

[Humpy Leftnut]

I hope you'll give us a glimpse of how many people it actually takes to handle DMCA violation requests, and to look at all the new content that people post.. I imagine it's a small army of CS Rep's.. It would give us some insight into what the other big guys who are blatantly ignoring their sites would have to do to comply!

[pr0]

don't worry about the cry babies on this site

the ones crying have no $ & do no business

run your business the way that makes sense to you & fuck everyone

[pr0]

look at the business models that work....i.e. youtube/dailymotion

they will always allow people to upload their videos, & only take them down when the "flag video" button is hit (x) amount of times

just implement a flagging system & call it a day!

[TheAccountant]

Originally Posted by Humpy Leftnut

I hope you'll give us a glimpse of how many people it actually takes to handle DMCA violation requests, and to look at all the new content that people post.. I imagine it's a small army of CS Rep's.. It would give us some insight into what the other big guys who are blatantly ignoring their sites would have to do to comply!

That's what I've said to Lance. Four bad apples on whole apple tree should be easily removed. I also told Lance how.

[XTube_Lance]

Originally Posted by GITZINGER

I love this line from the other thread:

From the keyboard of Xtube Lance:
"When it comes to content approval the law does not allow for us to monitor each upload."

So, he's trying to make us believe that by law they are not allowed to monitor their own site.

What he meant to say was:
"When it comes to content approval the law says we don't have to monitor each upload."

Puhlease!!!

Actually, if you review everything you are not a service provider, but a distributor. If you do not review, you are a service provider.

[XTube_Kurtis]

Originally Posted by Humpy Leftnut

I hope you'll give us a glimpse of how many people it actually takes to handle DMCA violation requests, and to look at all the new content that people post.. I imagine it's a small army of CS Rep's.. It would give us some insight into what the other big guys who are blatantly ignoring their sites would have to do to comply!

We would need about 10 people working around the clock there are so many uploads it's crazy, The thing is given our position we are compliant.

[XTube_Lance]

Originally Posted by Humpy Leftnut

I hope you'll give us a glimpse of how many people it actually takes to handle DMCA violation requests, and to look at all the new content that people post.. I imagine it's a small army of CS Rep's.. It would give us some insight into what the other big guys who are blatantly ignoring their sites would have to do to comply!

It takes 1 person (Kurtis) to answer the web-based DMCA system.
It takes 1 person (Kurtis) to answer the emails that are sent directly.
It takes 1 person (Kurtis) to answer the snail mails.
It takes 1 person (Kurtis) to handle the automatically challenge rejection emails.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by XTube_Lance

Actually, if you review everything you are not a service provider, but a distributor. If you do not review, you are a service provider.

And why not be a distributor?

Oh, yeah, that's right: because then you'd be responsible for any content theft.

[XTube_Lance]

Originally Posted by Libertine

And why not be a distributor?

Oh, yeah, that's right: because then you'd be responsible for any content theft.

Correct.

[XTube_Kurtis]

Originally Posted by XTube_Kurtis

We would need about 10 people working around the clock there are so many uploads it's crazy, The thing is given our position we are compliant.

Sorry I thought you meant to screen the content

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by XTube_Kurtis

We would need about 10 people working around the clock there are so many uploads it's crazy, The thing is given our position we are compliant.

And there are so many sites like yours out there, that any content producer or owner would need several employees to actually check if their content is on any of those sites.

You're absolutely right: you are compliant. You are also fucking over tons of small business owners by having their content on your site.

[Klen]

Who care,since there is somany sites like xtube.

[XTube_Lance]

Originally Posted by Libertine

And there are so many sites like yours out there, that any content producer or owner would need several employees to actually check if their content is on any of those sites.

You're absolutely right: you are compliant. You are also fucking over tons of small business owners by having their content on your site.

The way you write indicates that you believe we put the content there when in fact we did not. Considering we did not put it there and we KNOW people will pirate, we installed the process (mentioned above) to reduce piracy. We have done an awesome job of it, and you are quite frankly mal-informed.

[XTube_Kurtis]

Originally Posted by Libertine

And there are so many sites like yours out there, that any content producer or owner would need several employees to actually check if their content is on any of those sites.

You're absolutely right: you are compliant. You are also fucking over tons of small business owners by having their content on your site.

It would take them 2 seconds to search XTube and Pornotube and Uporn and redtube... Hard to check the 4 sites, all they have to do is contact us and we will block the sponsor, however user uploads are a different story.

[maxpower]

So let me get this right, you only want Stolen Content on Xtube, CP, and true amateur guys fucking their fat wife? Content owners are not going to just let viewers hand out everything they worked so hard to create for FREE, asking this question is egregious I hope you get fucking sued or 1 week after you do this all the studios make you remove ALL their content so CP and guys fucking their fat wife are all you have one your site.

[pornguy]

Lance or Kurtis. Hit me up on ICQ.

[Just_in_Support]

Who care,since there is somany sites like xtube.

Thats like saying there are so many sites like quick bucks (statistically) so really who cares....

[Just_in_Support]

Originally Posted by maxpower

So let me get this right, you only want Stolen Content on Xtube, CP, and true amateur guys fucking their fat wife? Content owners are not going to just let viewers hand out everything they worked so hard to create for FREE, asking this question is egregious I hope you get fucking sued or 1 week after you do this all the studios make you remove ALL their content so CP and guys fucking their fat wife are all you have one your site.

He hasnt been to the site. So misinformed

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by XTube_Kurtis

It would take them 2 seconds to search XTube and Pornotube and Uporn and redtube... Hard to check the 4 sites, all they have to do is contact us and we will block the sponsor, however user uploads are a different story.

No, it would take a lot more time. They can search for their site names, sure. Not all content is named after sites, however. So, they would have to look through all content in their niche. And regularly, because new content is added daily.

Oh, and for the record: I *am* talking about user uploads.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Silvercash Albert

I am not 100% familiar with the laws associated with file sharing programs and business models like Xtube.com. However, our business relationships with Xtube.com have been excellent and we will continue to do business with their team.

I have personal relationships with their managment team and I am more the confident that they will continue to run and honest business with integrity in mind.

Albert, with all due respect to you (and the whole team at Silvercash), do you understand the implications of making money off of, say, stolen lightspeed content? Do you think that you only get traffic from pages with your content on it?

Do you understand that because xtube does not screen or monitor the content that it publishes on it's site, that you could (and probably have) unintentionally sponsored CP and other illegal material?

With the 2257 secondary publisher rules in place, I can easliy see where an xtube would be a secondary producer (they take content and republish it on web pages, sorting and managing with their systems). Do you really think that the business model could stand up to a 2257 inspection?

You may have personal relationships with the people invovled, but don't let your "bro" status cloud your good judgement on this one. How much Silvercash content do you think is being used to make others money today?

[Just_in_Support]

Libertine watch, choose a Site from an affiliate program, anyone you chose and i will find all the stuff on all four sites in less than 24 hours

[maxpower]

You are "talking” about only allowing Stolen Content this is insane where do you think it comes from? So you would rather have CP than for content owners to send you their videos? and make maybe a buck out of doing it?

[Just_in_Support]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Albert, with all due respect to you (and the whole team at Silvercash), do you understand the implications of making money off of, say, stolen lightspeed content? Do you think that you only get traffic from pages with your content on it?

Do you understand that because xtube does not screen or monitor the content that it publishes on it's site, that you could (and probably have) unintentionally sponsored CP and other illegal material?

With the 2257 secondary publisher rules in place, I can easliy see where an xtube would be a secondary producer (they take content and republish it on web pages, sorting and managing with their systems). Do you really think that the business model could stand up to a 2257 inspection?

You may have personal relationships with the people invovled, but don't let your "bro" status cloud your good judgement on this one. How much Silvercash content do you think is being used to make others money today?

This is FUD

[RawAlex]

Why is it FUD?

http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=1&idx=4&from=&v=98fiBjLHDf8&cl=mHpZ7V 5LM8v&a=200707101640_tnhay&b=4AJQ3gP4IOc&s=B&geo_c ountrycode=&geo_latitude=&geo_longitude=&sstr=lrf| |||O|76o3438767so614845r01026o59rs9sr

Can you state without a doubt that peternorth.com permits you to run their videos with other company's ads all over the place but not a single link to peternorth.com anywhere on the page?

That my friend is FUD.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Just_in_Support

Libertine watch, choose a Site from an affiliate program, anyone you chose and i will find all the stuff on all four sites in less than 24 hours

"all the cool kids are doing it, so we are doing it to". Hopeless defense, like saying you shouldn't get a speeding ticket because everyone else was going fast too.

[XTube_Lance]

You guys are all ridiculous. You are the people putting the content on XTube, and now you are all talking about it being our fault.

It looks like, if I go by what happens on GFY, I am going to shut down all WM accounts. At least when I do that any pro content on the site would immediately be identifiable as a dmca violation.

[MeganS]

I checked out your site .. you guys seem to be fairly on top of keeping the stolen stuff out. Most of what i see is trailers and tgp clips. BUT ...

I don't think you should say you just can't police it. Does that mean you don't police it if their was CP? How do you verify the age of the people on your site? What about beasty stuff?? I am sure your keeping that off.

I think all anyone wants you to say .. is we are doing our best to keep copyrighted/stolen content off of here .. sometimes we fuck up .. and if we do .. the second we get wind of it .. it will come down and that persons account .. be it webmaster or silly uploaded will be TOS'ed. I don't expect everyone to know what's mine or the 500 other studios .. but if you get something that looks professionally made .. and it's over 5 minutes/not a trailer/tgp clip/ .. maybe not posting it would be the answer.

I just don't want to have to fight with people to take my shit down if i tell you it's up there illeagally. And i would love to see people making at least a freaking effort to controlling their own damn sites for god sake!! if you can control it enough to have it make money .. you can control it enough to "put your best foot forward" on stopping theft!

Megan

[tony286]

god this industry turns my stomach more and more everyday.

[Just_in_Support]

Its FUD In your case cuz heres the link that goes directly to Peter Norths Site
hxxp://ww.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2F track.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F

[TampaToker]

is xtube a user submitted site as well as webmaster submitted?