If you read the DMCA law backbone providers/ISP are not liable for the data transmitted through their network. Sadly your DMCA's will be ignored.

The DMCA is not enforceable in any other country outside of US jurisdiction, BUT almost all countries have some form of copyright law, so that can be used, obviously.

Just depends on who your lawyers are, if they have multinational offices, if you've got the $$$ to drop, and if the person on the other end knows where they stand.

BTW guys, before you go DMCA crazy, remember - if you lodge a phoney / fake / incomplete / poor DMCA - you can get hit back in return and be fucked just as hard or harder.

Sorry but the only way to stop piracy and make any sort of dent is to secure the content they are stealing. So you stop torrents (arent newsgroups still up and pumping no one stopped them?), then what happens when within 3 to 5 years everyone starts moving to fiber, or cable upload speeds increase dramatically.

My upload speed has increased over 5 times what it was in 2001. So you get people trading directly over instant messengers etc. Then how do you stop that? Someone will make a program that works off the instant messengers and connects people via a search utility or something and torrents will no longer matter.

People will ALWAYS find a way. The only way to slow it down is by the adult industry developing a secure content delivery system. Mainstream does it. Why cant we? How bout Silverlight? Sure sure anything on anyones screen can be stolen. There has to be an industry wide change to stop it. Its like talking to the wind I think though. If Microsoft, the Riaa, and the mpaa cant stop torrent sites can we?

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Ron makes a great post. We need to make a list of all the torents, which backbone they are using and then we can all start contacting their abuse departments of the providers.

Won't Do Shit.

And it's not their fucking fault, anyhow.

That's like getting Tmobile to shutdown your cell phone access because you sell drugs.

In fact, it's even more stupid that that.

It's like getting a roadblock setup on a highway to prevent you driving past because you steal lollies.

And it's STILL more stupid than that..

Stopping torrents is NOT the solution.

coolios. hitting you up now.

fyi - an association is not the poison dipped dagger to end all be all to piracy.

its a start.

we have to bite this off in pieces or people are going to choke on the whole pie trying to eat it at once.

:thumbsup

Oh so very wrong, wait and see what happens next.

Hi Ron don't forget about me today ;)

Great thread everybody. Thanks to all that have been contributing, I feel like this has brought me up to date on the subject. :)

Brad

this thread is good for conversations sake. back to the top.

wish ya good luck, mate :thumbsup

If their connection to the backbone is severed they can have all the legal protection they want, but nobody will be able to connect to them.

Backbone providers are not liable for the data that passes through them. In short if piratebay is doing their own routing or using non us-ip space they are the end user ISP that gets the DMCA's. providers such as sprint and such that deliver ip transit don't care nor are liable. since they can't monitor everything that goes across their network they are safe/excluded per the DMCA.. i think its section f or e?

WG

there are some pretty serious laws being lobbied through congress right now that are designed to clear up that little loophole that these people operate under. the mpaa and riaa have worked tirelessly to push some laws through that could cripple these kind of networks. we as people who depend on these laws to help us should pray to whatever gods we serve that they are passed by congress. it will make it all the more easier to get our stuff off of their networks for good.

lets hope.

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http://www.kazaa.com/us/index.htm Still up...



In a highly publicized decision in 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Grokster organization could be sued for copyright infringement. However, the Grokster application remains available for public downloads.

P2P Networks Supported by iMesh:

1. FastTrack
2. Gnutella - with version 5 iMesh client only
3. ED2K (eDonkey) - with version 5 iMesh client only All still up

Newsgroups

still up and running. Running a loooong time.

password sharing sites... Still running...

ftp sharing.... still running....

Direct connect neo modus..... Still up


Warez sites still running...


Torrents... Stilll running....


So will stopping torrents stop piracy?? nope..

I'm trying to find the pm function on this board, sadly unsuccessfully....

I've got large amounts of information about actions against torrent sites and legal techniques employed in the US and Europe. I'm prepared to discuss this pro bono (or is that pro boner ;) )with whoever is co-ordinating your anti-piracy project. email: [email protected]

Supdstr, technically, any and all parties providing any connectivity in any manner could be liable. Because DMCA is a fairly poorly written law, if you are based in the US if you send a DMCA to everyone including your own ISP (where you are connecting to the net), they could be found liable for providing access. It is doubtful, I don't think it would fly in court, but there is no definition of distance or restriction on hosts or service providers. Essentially, anyone in the chain that could have stopped the copyright violation but did not could be considered liable themselves.

Most of the europe to america transit is provided by american companies. They would likely take action, especially if (as RonC suggested) they were buried under a pile of DMCA notices, and that the pile was replenished on a regular basis with more and more DMCA notices.

It should be noted as well that european IP blocks are all issued by RIPE in the Netherlands, which may also be a great place to hit up. There are plenty of options on how to mount an agressive campaign on the issue.

Just bookmarked... finally, something's being done! Fuck all this free and stolen shit :2 cents:

Not going to happen no matter how hard you try. :)

Raining on the porn industries parade
 

I really sorry to state that no matter how many torrent sites you shut-down, there will always be enough to supply the want for those who wish to pirate it. The internet is ever expanding, and to believe you can actually shut-down all torrent sites, means that you have not even glimpsed the rate in which these sites are born. I'm afraid that by shutting them down your only going to cause more of a need for them. For some reason, the individuals want for more is unquenchable, the more you take it away from them the more likely they are going to find ways to get it; i.e. illegal drugs. We've have created a monster that is internet, unless you plan on shutting down the World Wide Web, you will never be able to stop piracy. Thank you for your time.

I love torrent sites. And the fact is, they're here to stay. Better get used to it. Every day more people get educated on how to use them, and every day they become easier to use. I agree with Acedge... there's no way to shut it down without shutting down the Internet.

Viva La Torrent!

*crys* MY WHORES AREN'T GETTING PAID ENOUGH *CRYS* HOW CAN I GIVE THEM HEALTH BENEFITS FOR SWALLOWING CUM! LOUSY PIRATES! BLAME THEM FOR OUR PROBLEMS! *crys* you won't win buddy, give it up. Your fighting a dying cause, MPAA didn't win, RIAA didn't win, Comcast isn't winning (my house computer is on comcast and downloading plenty of porno torrents) Your industry will lose much more than 4% a year if you keep this fight up, believe me. Just ask the MPAA, just ask the RIAA. Their sales prove your fight isn't worth the effort.

You want a bigger profit margin to make up for the losses? Hire cheap hookers, $50 a pop and you have yourself the same whore but 90% cheaper.

I was going to say something but your not worth it.

I guess that one post has managed to drag in all the torrent apologists. Too bad that all that time you spend downloading stuff wasn't spent on basic comprehension.

Nobody, repeat NOBODY is aiming to take down all the torrent sites. That isn't the point and that isn't the issue. If you want to trade files with your friends, knock yourself out. All that anyone is looking for is that copyrighted material is taken down, that things like full site rips, full DVD rips, and full length videos are not made available, and when they come up, they need to be removed immediately.

You can trade all the files you want - as long as you have the rights to them.

The average 4 or 5 scene porn movie costs in the tens of thousands of dollars to produce. Paying the actors, renting the location, equipment, post production, getting legal rights for music and such... it all costs money to do. Porn isn't a "get a video camera and a $50 hooker" business, sorry.

The more you guys steal, the less chance that new porn will get made, and you will be all crying because there is no fresh pr0n to spank your monkey to while your mom is at the shopping center.

The internet isn't an excuse to steal from everyone anymore than a powerfailure should be a reason to loot stores. A few idiots entice everyone else to break the law.

Everything you were saying was pretty accurate except for this.

You cannot trade files you have the rights to unless the party on the receiving end has rights to the file as well.

You cannot share files with someone that does not have a legal right to that file (i.e. they have paid their licensing fees, own a membership as you do etc.)

Torrents are 97% theft and on the rarity, actually good for sharing.

A band can offer their music on a torrent for distribution, but a listener does not have the right to re-distribute without permission from the originator.

An artist can offer their artwork digitally reproduced, but a viewer cannot re-distribute without permission.

Theft is theft... Just because you can get away with it, doesn't make it right.

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Of course the listener can redistribute the file. Why on earth would a band make their album available as a torrent and not allow the downloaders to seed that file? What would be the point, exactly? Are you suggesting that only the band can seed their album?

The only reason a band would release their own album as a torrent would be for exposure and ease of distribution. In other words, they don't want a bandwidth bill. If nobody else can seed their file, then they'll be footing the entire bandwidth bill anyways. The end-user licensing agreement is a whole other ball game when you're willingly giving your stuff away, especially across a medium like bit torrent.

This thread's been great. Really interested in seeing how this anti-piracy effort pans out. Good luck.

The big movie studios spend much more than tens of thousands of dollars on their movies and they have had no success defeating piracy. Somebody taking your product and not paying for it is theft, but the internet has enabled people to do this without any consequence except for a very small handful of people. You can try and take down torrents or nzb sites, but even if you are successful in taking down any at all, new ones will pop up. The fact that this story is hitting the mainstream makes it even more popular and the torrent and nzb sites get press, meaning more traffic.

Metallica spent lots of money on lawyers to prevent their music from being pirated. The end result was a huge loss of fans and money, and their music is still all over the internet readily available for download.

Think about the analogy of a farmers crop and a bug infestation. A farmer has a good year and is able to make money from his crop. The next year bugs infest his crop, which leads to less earnings. He then starts using pesticide, kills the bugs, but also potentially poisoning some of his crop. Then over the years the bugs adapt to the pesticide and are unaffected which leads the farmer to other more expensive pesticides. There is no end to it, the ante always has to be upped.

You can see the pesticide as any method to thwart piracy, but eventually piracy groups will find away around it. DRM could be used, but think of your members who download videos and then maybe convert them to another format to put on their Ipod or other media player. With DRM they won't be able to do this. You could offer an ipod format, that of course would mean more cost to you in the form of bandwidth, or they could say screw it and find a another site that doesn't put DRM on their videos.

Like I said this story has hit the news sites and is it sounds like your trying to find a way to combat piracy. Whatever you decide on, what you are really doing is issuing a challenge to the piracy community. That's how they will see it and right now they are undefeated. Think long and hard about what you are going to do because it probably will end up with you losing more money in the long run than recouping that 4%.