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Jace 08-19-2007 03:38 PM

btw, see sig

edgeprod 08-19-2007 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12955696)
you are an idiot russian scammer that constantly spreads misinformation

Seconded. He's the Paul Markham of RSS! :1orglaugh

just a punk 08-19-2007 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955676)
Many of our webmasters have multiple blogs, and want the content to change every pull. Your ideas, shitty as they are, confuse and misinform people ...

Ok, let's see who was right and who's ideas are shitty. Let's keep track of http://rss.breabennett.com/feed.php?feed_id=6 - if it won't be changed to stop morphing every time it's being pulled - you'll win :)

Jace 08-19-2007 03:41 PM

this thread is too damn funny btw

edgeprod 08-19-2007 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955702)
Sorry but it was you who tld as about possible problems with your feeds:

ROFL -- you're either using the biggest "playing dumb" act, or you truly need to go back to listening to "Learn English in 7 days" tapes.

CLEARLY, I was talkikng about the problem with YOUR feeds that GOOGLE THEMSELVES talked about, and laughed about over drinks at AdTect. :1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955702)
You've ripped our product already so why don't you rip that idea as well?

Uh-oh, now you fucked yourself over! Bah hahaha! Here's my post about Feed Pushers, on December, 29 2006:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/690834-sponsors-feedback-beta-tester-rss-solution.html

Here's your post, 6 months later:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/732473-affiliate-rss-revolution-attn-sponsors-hosted-blogs-rss-feeds.html

Now, I'm not a rocket scientist .. but if somone posts in December of 2006, and someone else posts in May of 2007, 6 months later ... who ripped who off? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Ouch, if people weren't laughing at you before (hint: they were), this one made them fall out of their chairs in full guffaws! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Jace 08-19-2007 03:45 PM

english is a great language, it is a shame that someone in this thread doesn't speak it

hint hint - it isn't me or edge

Jace 08-19-2007 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955724)

OUCH, that's gotta hurt!

edgeprod 08-19-2007 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955713)
Ok, let's see who was right and who's ideas are shitty. Let's keep track of http://rss.breabennett.com/feed.php?feed_id=6 - if it won't be changed to stop morphing every time it's being pulled - you'll win :)

ROFL .. wait, wait. Explain why we'd break Feed Pushers to implement a feature to STOP the RSS from morphing? No, wait, don't, whatever your explanation will be, I'm sure it's stupid.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why affiliates would EVER want to STOP a feed from morphing is beyond me! :)

edgeprod 08-19-2007 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12955726)
english is a great language, it is a shame that someone in this thread doesn't speak it

hint hint - it isn't me or edge

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12955733)
OUCH, that's gotta hurt!

Yeah, it makes you wonder why in the heck he'd even TRY to say that ... but then you realize his strategy: he just says outrageously stupid things, often lies, and "baits" you into answering. He basically feels that if a user sees HIS first, they think it's the truth. Then, he quotes things in seemingly random order, trying to pretend he doesn't know what they mean, and "spin" them .. it's the classic move of a guy losing an argument. Kind of sad, but hey -- if I stood in line for toilet paper, I might have to resort to doing the same thing.

Jace 08-19-2007 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955744)
Kind of sad, but hey -- if I stood in line for toilet paper, I might have to resort to doing the same thing.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:ugone2far:ugone2far:ugone2far :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just a punk 08-19-2007 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955670)
I feel bad for you that the content doesn't change on every reload. If I'm a webmaster, building 10 sites, this'd suck for me -- I'd get screwed with duplicate content on my blogs 2-10.

Also wrong because you have no idea how TheSponsorFeeds works :upsidedow It doesn't change the feeds on each reload/pull to avoid Google penalty. But there is no reason to morph on each reload to avoid content duplication on 10 or even 100000 sites, because the TheSponsorFeeds has a special key for that (it's called cxxx_seed). E.g.
http://demo.thesponsorfeeds.com/?wm=252 - an unique feed for wm id 252
http://demo.thesponsorfeeds.com/?wm=...xx_seed=123456 - another unique feed for the same webmaster but different blog
http://demo.thesponsorfeeds.com/?wm=252&cxxx_seed=31723 - another one
http://demo.thesponsorfeeds.com/?wm=252&cxxx_seed=93837 - another one
http://demo.thesponsorfeeds.com/?wm=...xx_seed=912938 - another one
etc...

Surprised again? :)

You forgot one thing: we have used this morphing algorithm on rbblog.com since it's launch, and we are selling it also for a long time. Course we do care about our customers and their webmasters so all those ideas were implemented a long time ago.

just a punk 08-19-2007 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12955696)
you are an idiot russian scammer that constantly spreads misinformation

Oh, now I hear your "real arguments". If someone have no arguments he/she always starting calling the manes. That was a way of doing "business" by edgeprod, but now I see you are quick learner man. Ok, continue this way :winkwink:

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955699)
When you were ripping off Feed Pushers, you certainly could have done a much better job at it

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Seems you are totally confused man. Do you know when feedpushers was released? And... when I have released my TheSponsorFeed (former AddRefCode)? Do you know how to sum up and subtract numbers? Just try to count if you can :)

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:04 PM

O'rly? If you open that thread you'll see it was bumped right BEFORE I posted there and I posted just because you posted into my own announce thread. Am I wrong again? :)

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955758)
Also wrong because you have no idea how TheSponsorFeeds works

HAHAHA -- here's what's funny. First off, we fed you some bullshit information (I won't tell you what) to see how you'd react, and you played it off like you knew about it and it was real. THAT was a good one, and we had a good laugh in ICQ about it. Next, we're only going off of what you claim -- which is now clear to be complete crap, and it makes me laugh again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955758)
Surprised again? :)

That you owned yourself again? Not in the least.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955758)
You forgot one thing: we have used this morphing algorithm on rbblog.com since it's launch, and we are selling it also for a long time. Course we do care about our customers and their webmasters so all those ideas were implemented a long time ago.

I didn't forget that at all. But neither did archive.org! :1orglaugh There's a robots.txt exclusion now to prevent you getting caught in a lie.

But here's what Archive.org will ALSO tell you ...

When I was the Vice President of Business Development for the company that employed Guido and his team -- yeah, the guys who coded Python, the language a tiny little app called Google is written in -- we morphed the Freshmeat syndication "feed" of application descriptions, using the technology I wrote for that purpose. What was it? *gasp*, an alpha version of Feed Pushers!

What year? Oh, shit ... 1999-2001! Ouch. :upsidedow

Man, I feel so bad for you. :(

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955778)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Seems you are totally confused man. Do you know when feedpushers was released? And... when I have released my TheSponsorFeed (former AddRefCode)? Do you know how to sum up and subtract numbers? Just try to count if you can :)

Yes, I do, but then again, I have a good command of English, too! 1999-2005 = 6 years late for you. Sorry. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955785)
O'rly? If you open that thread you'll see it was bumped right BEFORE I posted there and I posted just because you posted into my own announce thread. Am I wrong again?

So what you're saying is .. what matters is the last-bump date, not that the CREATION DATE of my thread is 6 months earlier?

You're really going off the deep end now, it's just getting silly. :1orglaugh

Jace 08-19-2007 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955767)
Oh, now I hear your "real arguments". If someone have no arguments he/she always starting calling the manes. That was a way of doing "business" by edgeprod, but now I see you are quick learner man. Ok, continue this way :winkwink:

considering we have "owned" you to the core in this thread and given completely valid arguments about everything, while you still give the run around and prove time and time again you don't know shit, YES, will resort to name calling cause it is damn fun and TRUE

you sir, give russians a bad name...oh wait, they already had a bad name, you just helped it along

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:08 PM

https://gfy.com/12413912-post13.html
https://gfy.com/12414040-post15.html

So who has posted into my thread? You are fucked up again edgeprod :1orglaugh BTW do you remember your last fuckup on XBiz board? Can I pose there the quotes from that thread where you were accusing me of "stealing your articles" because I'm just pulling the XBiz RSS news (by their prior permission) at FHGStore.com?

Argoz 08-19-2007 04:09 PM

hmmm im lost.....

Whats better? A feed that change every time you reload a page or?

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12955798)
considering we have "owned" you...

:1orglaugh :winkwink:

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argoz (Post 12955803)
hmmm im lost.....

Whats better? A feed that change every time you reload a page or?

The content that remains the same every time you reload the page. For sure.

Jace 08-19-2007 04:14 PM

this thread rules

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955802)
https://gfy.com/12413912-post13.html
https://gfy.com/12414040-post15.html

So who has posted into my thread? You are fucked up again edgeprod :1orglaugh BTW do you remember your last fuckup on XBiz board? Can I pose there the quotes from that thread where you were accusing me of "stealing your articles" because I'm just pulling the XBiz RSS news (by their prior permission) at FHGStore.com?

Not sure what you mean by posting in your thread -- or what that proves. I know English is a major barrier to you, but ... my thread was 6 months earlier. There's nothing you're going to say to change that, and it's just bizarre trying to figure out what you're trying to say.

Xbiz, the board I Moderate, you mean?

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955813)
The content that remains the same every time you reload the page. For sure.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh man, get out of RSS. Seriously. Before you hurt someone. Oh, wait, you already have: your customers.

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:17 PM

Ok, here we go:

Quote:

XBizStephen
I had requested that the original thread be moved from the public boards to our moderator's board, because I felt that this whole situation was out of hand.

Cyberxxx / FHGstore did nothing wrong by reprinting the article in question, as he was complying with XBIZ policies.

A problem in our Syndication script incorrectly identified me as the author of the article and that script error has been fixed.

Edgeprod's problem is really with XBIZ and the terms of his writer's agreement with us; and we can deal with that in a private setting, making a public discussion unnecessary.

As for his claims of Cyberxxx being a 'scammer' I have no information on the 'why' or any other details, but as with any other poster making such a claim, to be fair, it should be backed by facts as to 'why' such a claim is being made.

So, I'll apologize to Domenic for any misunderstanding on this issue (heck, I had no idea about any of these concerns until this issue came up), and say that our programmer, Dave, is working on removing his articles from Syndication to prevent a similar reoccurance.

I'll also apologize to Cyberxxx. Despite anything personal between him and Edge, FHGStore didn't do anything out of line by publishing our Syndicated articles and I hope that he continues to use our feeds and other services.

You can all blame me if you want
Do you remember that story edgeprod? Yes, it was last time when you called me a scammer and thief for pulling an RSS feed with your article (which was removed from XBiz resources after your scandal) I hope you do :) Now your are trying to play the same game again. When you'll grow up man? Can't stand the competition?

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12955824)
this thread rules

Totally agree :winkwink:

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955834)
Do you remember that story edgeprod? Yes, it was last time when you called me a scammer and thief for pulling an RSS feed with your article (which was removed from XBiz resources after your scandal) I hope you do :) Now your are trying to play the same game again. When you'll grow up man? Can't stand the competition?

ROFL -- Xbiz, the board I moderate?

Yes, I called you a scammer, and meant it. It's still true.

You removed my posts from your site, and stopped stealing them. It's probably the only honest thing you've done in your life.

Love the spin, but it's just not working -- sorry to ruin your day!

This thread is YOUR Paul Markham thread. It'll be getting bumped for a while, I predict. :1orglaugh

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955827)
Not sure what you mean by posting in your thread -- or what that proves.

Not sure? I'd suggest you to keep away from RSS in such a case, because this just proves your incompetence. :2 cents:

Argoz 08-19-2007 04:20 PM

If my content change every time the page is reloading, i will have a penality from google?

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955850)
Not sure? I'd suggest you to keep away from RSS in such a case, because this just proves your incompetence. :2 cents:

ROFL -- wait, what? Me posting 6 months before you proves only that you ripped it off. Man, English is kicking your butt today for sure. It's scary how you just keep repeating what I say to you back at ME.

My "incompetence" brought Reality Cash/Playboy's 10 Feed Pushers feeds, Ox Cash's feeds, and OC Cash's feeds. Funny, that.

Here's something fun ... would someone gather up all of the U.S. "clients" using cyberxxx's "solution"? We'll have some fun.

http://www.edgeprod.com/dom/gfy/fp-p.jpg

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955848)
ROFL -- Xbiz, the board I moderate?

Yes the board you moderate and the site that has removed all your articles after your scandal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955848)
Yes, I called you a scammer, and meant it. It's still true.

Sure, sure. Any facts? :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955848)
You removed my posts from your site, and stopped stealing them. It's probably the only honest thing you've done in your life.

Removed your posts? :1orglaugh Of course no!!! Because I haven't had them at FHGStore.com, I just was pulling the feeds. The only thing I did - I just banned your name right in the RSS parser code to make sure your"articles" won't appear on my site. However it was not necessary, because XBiz has removed all your content from their RSS feeds as well so whey can't appear on other sites that pull the XBiz news feeds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955848)
Love the spin, but it's just not working -- sorry to ruin your day!

Ruin my day - it's a deep night here in Russia :winkwink: :1orglaugh I'm getting fun of your posts :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955848)
This thread is YOUR Paul Markham thread. It'll be getting bumped for a while, I predict. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham? Hmm... Did you get a boyfriend already? You are calling his name all the time - this makes me think you are a bit horny about him :)

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955858)

Wow! Is it a patent for WordPress feed generator or on my plugin which changes the WordPress post's content? Could you post more details please :)

Argoz 08-19-2007 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argoz (Post 12955854)
If my content change every time the page is reloading, i will have a penality from google?

BUMP for my question!!

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955865)
Yes the board you moderate and the site that has removed all your articles after your scandal.

Haha .. what? They improperly added my posts, which they paid for to use in the magazine, but not in their feed. They removed just the ones you were pulling, at my request, to stop you from pulling them. "Scandal?" That might be another English word you're not clear on.

You should see the number of mentions of your name on the Moderator board. :1orglaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955865)
Removed your posts? :1orglaugh Of course no!!! Because I haven't had them at FHGStore.com, I just was pulling the feeds. The only thing I did - I just banned your name right in the RSS parser code to make sure your"articles" won't appear on my site.

LOL -- I didn't think it was possible, but you actually contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. First you say you didn't remove them, then you say you did. Wow, that's ... really scary, come to think of it. :Oh crap

edgeprod 08-19-2007 04:44 PM

Anyway, he's obviously just spouting drivel and doing his "I'm going to post something to see if anyone will believe it" thing ... so I'm just going to wait for the list of U.S. sponsors, and then go from there.

Toodles, lol, it's been fun watching you destroy yourself. :1orglaugh

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argoz (Post 12955881)
BUMP for my question!!

Note that edgeprod wrote about it:
Quote:

1) You're constantly changing the text, by the time Google-bot grabs it and indexes it, it's already changed. I had a conversation with them at the AdTech conference in NYC regarding this, and they said they're planning to specifically penalize sites that work this way -- that's why we haven't done it "on the fly" in Autoblogger Pro.
Also please check your email - I've answered it already :)

just a punk 08-19-2007 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955903)
Haha .. what? They improperly added my posts, which they paid for to use in the magazine, but not in their feed.

It's not a my business so I don't care why they did that. You mentioned you are a moderator there - so what's kind of moderator you are if you can't settle such simply "issues" with XBiz? *shrug*

Argoz 08-19-2007 04:53 PM

Okay thanks.

Just to be sure i understand:

Cyberxxx product: The feed is updated only one time, the post will never change after that.

Edgeprod product: The feed update the page everytime. Each reload, you have a new post.

I'm wrong?

BOSS1 08-19-2007 04:57 PM

jsut bookmarking this thread for now

just a punk 08-19-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argoz (Post 12955935)
Okay thanks.

Just to be sure i understand:

Cyberxxx product: The feed is updated only one time, the post will never change after that.

Exactly, but with some addition. If you want to import a same feed with your webmaster id to more than 1 blog, you have to use a special parameter "cxxx_seed" with a random value, say "&cxxx_seed=123123", "&cxxx_seed=84372" etc to make sure the feed content won't be duplicated on all your blogs.

just a punk 08-19-2007 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955903)
LOL -- I didn't think it was possible, but you actually contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. First you say you didn't remove them, then you say you did. Wow, that's ... really scary, come to think of it. :Oh crap

What exactly you don't understand there? I said he following:
1) The XBiz RSS feed content wasn't sored on my site, because it was shown on-the-fly by the RSS parser. So I was unable to physically remove it. Do you know how exactly the real-time RSS parsers work?
2) I have added a filter into my RSS parsing script to stop it from showing your posts. It's good that I wrote that parser myself so I was able to add this piece of code:

if (strstr($line, 'Merenda')) {
return '<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5;url=http://www.fhgstore.com">'."\n".'<br><br><br>The author of this article is banned from fhgstore.com<br><br><br>';
}


See, I haven't removed your content (I can't remove anything that isn't stored on the server). I just changed my parser.

hardcoreblogger 08-20-2007 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 12955959)
Exactly, but with some addition. If you want to import a same feed with your webmaster id to more than 1 blog, you have to use a special parameter "cxxx_seed" with a random value, say "&cxxx_seed=123123", "&cxxx_seed=84372" etc to make sure the feed content won't be duplicated on all your blogs.

this sounds like a good approach. some aggregator solutions do have probs with the ever changing feedpushers feeds like the realitycash ones. they keep reloading the same post in different versions.

Pornwolf 08-20-2007 02:57 AM

This thread was better than the last Floyd Mayweather fight.

Good stuff!

just a punk 08-20-2007 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger (Post 12957458)
this sounds like a good approach.

Thanks. Actually we have implemented this idea in the first public releases of TheSponsorFeeds plugin. As far as I know, our customers and their webmasters are happy with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger (Post 12957458)
some aggregator solutions do have probs with the ever changing feedpushers feeds like the realitycash ones. they keep reloading the same post in different versions.

But edgeprod said there is no problem with that. If he said that, seems it's really not a problem... for him *shrug*

But I think the developer have to care about his customers and their webmasters. The have to listen to their suggestions/requests. I hope someday he will accept my free tip about fixing his feeds as I pointed above and rip our idea to implement it in his product. Let's see how long it will take :)

just a punk 08-20-2007 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12957561)
This thread was better than the last Floyd Mayweather fight.

Good stuff!

Yep, it's funny :) Check this one: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=740460 :winkwink:

Actually I was making less sales during the last 2 months, because the market for affiliate RSS solutions is not really big and almost all programs already bought my solution, or they implemented something similar themselves like http://www.bumblecash.com/ etc (I know about at least 3 similar competitive products developed by different guys). However yesterday I did a new sale from this thread :)

Jace 08-20-2007 09:20 AM

yawn

wake up bump

Argoz 08-20-2007 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12958651)
yawn

wake up bump

Jace, what do you think about my last question? Any problem with Google if my posts change everytime the page is reloading?

I'm not a SEO expert...i just want to make sure i don't make a big error.

darksoul 08-20-2007 09:39 AM

deja vu'

u-Bob 08-20-2007 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955499)
If tools like Feed Pushers and Autoblogger Pro can give you a unique post automatically sent to your blog every update, are you "lazy" for using them or simply inefficient for NOT using them?...

<--- has been using his own scripts to do stuff like that since 2004.

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 12955499)
...are you "lazy" for using them or simply inefficient for NOT using them? I guess I'm just not a fan of doing work for the sake of doing work, especially if the results are the same or better.

If someone asks for morphing feeds cuz he can't code a script to do that stuff for him, that's 1 thing. But if a person is unable to use his imagination for 1 second or actually think for 1 second and chain a couple existing tools (he apparently is already aware of) together to produce the result he is looking for, then yes I'd call that person lazy...

I'm not a fan of doing work for the sake of work either, but to achieve something in life you do have to work for it. And that's something some people (way too many people in this "industry") don't realize. Instead of using the tools they've got available in a smarter way, they want everything served to them on a silver platter.

:2 cents:

Babaganoosh 08-20-2007 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argoz (Post 12958705)
Jace, what do you think about my last question? Any problem with Google if my posts change everytime the page is reloading?

I'm not a SEO expert...i just want to make sure i don't make a big error.

Why would your post change every time you load the page? I can't think of any reason for anyone wanting to do that. As far as SEO goes, you most certainly would get penalized for that.


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