Originally Posted by RawAlex

Kicks, one of the things about DMCA is that if the party owning the site isn't responsive and doesn't take action, the host once notified really does need to get involved. This is doubly true if the whois information on the domain in question isn't valid or the domain owner cannot be contacted (say a registered letter is returned unopened or the owner cannot be served). At that point the host does have responsibilities to block access to the offending material until such time that the site owner can clarify their rights to the material.

Filing of a false DMCA report is actionable, so people can't just randomly dump stuff on hosts without backing.

A host that fails to take action in a reasonable time after notification leaves themselves open to further legal action, contributory copyright infringement, etc. Hosts may think they are safe but they have responsbilities as well.

Originally Posted by swampthing

Thats all nice and lovely excuses for not having to do anything about it.
Brad doesnt even want to look at the links to the mp3's on the top of gregs page. Brad says he doesnt know of any links to mp3's, Yet, there they are, on the top of the guys page, everyday.

Brad doesnt want to look at the countless pages of stolen pictures on the gregs site, yet there they are, everyday.

and yet, Im the one getting legal threats for pointing this out.

way to go, you industry leaders

Originally Posted by kicks

Did you bother to read the post?

If Brad was willing to put his business in jeopardy because you say he should I expect a lot of customers would be leaving him and no one would blame them. Web Host have a far larger responsibility than one web site or customer we host thousands of sites and customers to be concerned with. Doing what you are asking is putting them all at risk. Sorry if you can not comprehend this.

I am trying to respond to you as a person that must not understand things and not as a person that is attempting to trash someone be it Brad, his customer or myself but it is starting to very much look like that is all you are here to do. If you have something constructive to add to things that would help everyone great but other wise you are just taking up time and detracting people from the real topic and issues that some are trying very hard to take a real approach instead of a knee jerk reaction. If you want change you do it the right way and this thread was started with that purpose in mind. Save your accusations and make valid suggestions for a real solution, ones that don't put businesses and their customers and their businesses all at risk.

Regarding the legal threats you may or may not be getting, you are responsible for your own actions same as everyone else, it's an adult thing.

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

First and foremost, I would like to express that I admire passion. I am a passionate guy myself. I fully understand the cause, the implications it has industry-wide, as well as how it can effect programs and webmasters alike.

I debated heavily as to whether or not to post in this thread, even in light of VG Content adding us to the bad business list. Taking that post into consideration along with the entire scope of the issue, I will respond honestly. Just the same that I have realized your perspective (as well as passion), I ask that you consider mine with similar respect.

The torrent issue is an issue that I fully comprehend, as well as empathize with. We don?t accept torrent or zango traffic; we never have. We have in fact taken private measures to prevent both methods of promotion. Assuming we haven?t because we don?t post about it on GFY is naïve. That said, we do depend on webmasters with watchful eyes to alert us with any infringements. We have never been slow to move on any complaints. The last time I looked, Wegcash has several representatives that are public, online the greater portion of both day and night, and more than willing to help. However, I see very few complaints regarding the issue.

While we all enjoy the fruits of a liberal industry that tends to allow for a pretty fun environment, when it comes to our business, we run it as professional as possible. Not only that, but we also have a long history of helping out this industry in times of need. We are likely one of the highest donating programs in the industry; however, we rarely do it in a public manner (with the acceptation of the Jim Guhn case). We conduct our business privately: We are, for lack of a better describer, an action-oriented program.

A1rek, I like you and I respect Shanes World as a program. I also understand why you are passionate about your cause. However, we handle our business differently. When and if we decide that we need to have something done about a torrent site, you can rest assured we will not make a post about it. We have issues that affect our company, however, we don?t believe that we should involve you in those issues. Those are our issues and rest assured, we will exercise all options to reach resolve. In my opinion, there are a variety of other methods that could be used to reach your goal. That said, I respect your chosen option, however, please don?t assume because programs don?t post about it, that they don?t fight against it.

Simply put, and in my humble opinion, much of this is marketing. Many programs get on the crusade against torrent sites as a method of marketing. I am not saying Shane?s World is doing that, I am also not saying that if programs are doing it, that there is anything wrong with it. I am saying it isn?t our style. We handle our issues privately and our marketing is and has been extremely effective. I also have zero interest in condemning other programs. Does that mean we support torrent sites? Absolutely not, and anyone thinking that is the case is being extremely narrow-minded in not realizing that causes can be fought effectively in private. I do not see the need for me to publicly condemn a program, in fact, many of the programs on the list I would consider friends. Our stance on torrent sites doesn?t involve crusades against other programs. Nasty Dollars has a standing invite to any dinner we hold, we don?t have to agree on the torrent issue. That is how we conduct our business. Its how we choose to fight causes.

My point in this is that threads such as this can lead to irresponsible slippery slopes. I hate to overstate my respect for your passion, but I don?t want to offend you. Wegcash being listed on a bad business list is not only inaccurate, but also similarly insulting. As much as we have given back to this industry, I would have expected more. If anyone knows absolutely anything about this industry and our program, than you would know that we don?t need torrent signups. We don?t even notice them if we are getting them. We see all referrers that come through our system, if they exist, they don?t amount to much. I hope that all the companies going public with their anti-torrent stances are dedicating that same energy privately, if however you are not, we respect you all the same.

In conclusion, I hope you don?t take my post as aggressive, rather as a passionate response to your passionate diatribe. Furthermore, please email [email protected] with any infringements or concerns and we will, as always, take care of it immediately.

Thanks and Best Regards,

Cory.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

No offense to anyone else, but this post just got me to sign up for Weg and promote them. I am always impressed by Cory's writing, and ability to communicate.

Originally Posted by tony404

Has any of the ass kissing ever paid off for you? Im curious.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

So Tony stating my opinion is now ass kissing? What exactly do I have to gain by that opinion. Do tell.... Are you jumping on the bash Sticky wagon again? Thought we had aired our differences.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

So Tony stating my opinion is now ass kissing? What exactly do I have to gain by that opinion. Do tell.... Are you jumping on the bash Sticky wagon again? Thought we had aired our differences.

Originally Posted by tony404

Im not bashing you at all I'm curious, its not like its subtle.

Originally Posted by A1R3K

Ok,

Seeing that there are so many people that think its cool to take away from the industry instead of contribute it to it, we at Shane's World would like to extend a hand to ANY and ALL companies and individuals that are willing to take the same stand that we are in the fight against content theft and overall well being of an industry that is attacked from all angles by the parasites of the intranets, and from within in the form of undercover "bros".


First things first. List all companies that profit from the theft of content. If you find evidence of financing piracy or blatant content theft, please post it here. We already know of a few that try to skate on the edges of the law to make a few bucks extra at the expense of others. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PROOF!

meow.

We are in fact going to extend our hand to anyone who wants to take a stand with us and say that we will make every effort to work with any company that wants to help deter the theft of very expensive content.

You don't have to be a content producer. Affiliates are encouraged to help twart the devaluation of adult content as well. After all, in the long run it hurts us all, whether you can see it now or not.

Please help us fight the fight to protect our futures in adult online. I'll get this way more organized here in the short term future, for now this is an idea that I want to see how much support is there for it.

To those that are interested in supporting the cause we will work with you in whatever fashion we can. What we're essentially looking for are committed eyes to police ourself. If we don't do that rest assured that those who feed off of our resources for profit will become that much stronger. For people on the list of industry supporters, we will work together on anything we can from within the circle of people that don't want to be part of the other circle. This industry is segregated on so many other levels, whats another one really going to hurt.

A website will be created to house evidence AND PROOF of those financing piracy.

Thanks for your support. For those of you that think I am beating an animal that feels no pain, stop for a second and think how you would conduct business without content. There are a very very small amount of you that do not rely on content to make a living in some fashion. Really think about it. If tomorrow there was NO content available, would it affect your business?


Sign yourself up by copying and pasting this list as you quote to add yourself
If you are intimidated to post here, you can email or icq us. support at shanesworld or my icq in my sig.



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BUMP FOR THE CAUSE even if you think I'm a douche. This is about the industry, not me.

Originally Posted by Brujah

If I weren't graphically challenged, I would design a bash sticky banner.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

To say I in any way kiss anyones ass is quite a laugh. If I was an ass kisser that said things just to appease everyone, I dont think Id have quite so many "fans" I say what I think and what I believe.

Originally Posted by Shakula

Airek, dont start something you cant finish
If you can remove content from www.piratebay.org, then there is hope.
If you cant (which i know you cant) then just end it and stop waisting your time. Torrents arent illegal in most countries, thats like saying the postoffice is illegal.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Interesting Ive spoken quite favorably about you in the past even though it was in opposition to those I consider friends..

Originally Posted by Brujah

I would do it for the joke, not because I hate you. Uno says good things about you, but I'm not sure why with you being all Michael Keaton like.

Originally Posted by tony404

Ok I read it wrong I was mistaken.

Originally Posted by A1R3K

this isn't my crusade. this is studios in l.a. and all over the world.

i am merely a voice. people can like it or not.

this is pandora's box.

none of this is funded by me. we are merely assisting in building a board and association to help fight piracy.

i won't make 13 cents from this all.

heres back. now i'm in the hole two cents already.

Originally Posted by Shakula

Like I said, you could ofcourse find some websites that has illegal content on their page and close em down. But if they are smart enough, they will just move to a country where its legal. Problem solved within minutes.
Sorry, maybe a few hours (to transfer all the data).