Torrents negative effect on adult industry

[GeXus]

Everyone is so fucking pressed about people advertising on torrent sites... Let's see some proof that torrents site damage the industry... because until then, your all just a bunch of whining bitches, fact of the matter is torrents are a good medium for distributing ad-embedded media and a good source of advertising traffic and until someone can prove different, that is the bottom line.

[Serge Litehead]

and Microsoft intentionally distributed all their windows on warez up until 2000-vista just because of that reason. now, see how far MS has gone.

[GeXus]

You idiot... Microsoft is selling a piece of software... very different from selling a subscription.. if a user downloads windows, then they have windows, there is no up sell, if a user downloads a clip with ads in it, then they now have a short unsatisfying teaser with the ability to sign up for a subscription..

[TheDoc]

Prove that it doesn't damage the industry. What stats do you have to prove that it is an effective means of advertising?

I have stats for tube/torrent sites, it sucked worse than any TGP traffic I have gotten in the last several years. Who gives a shit about traffic that converts at 1:5k+

[KimJI]

you two must be the smartest fuckers on GFY. I bet yo are a real success both in business and with the ladies.

[Pure Evil]

gee thats a hard one. lets see, if they can get it free why would they pay for it retard. same with stolen pass sites. common fucking sense.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Prove that it doesn't damage the industry. What stats do you have to prove that it is an effective means of advertising?

I have stats for tube/torrent sites, it sucked worse than any TGP traffic I have gotten in the last several years. Who gives a shit about traffic that converts at 1:5k+

Ah another idiot... "Let's all make claims that torrent sites ruin our industry, then when anyone questions, we'll ask THEM to prove otherwise"...

And torrent traffic can convert real well (if you know what your doing)... I know people who do nothing but work torrent/p2p, and they make a killing..

[Serge Litehead]

re "idiot", whatever =)

while you talk of legitimate ways of embedding ads in clips for torrents to use, there will be more non legit torrents catering whole members areas. torrents are the wares of today and that's a fact.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

Ah another idiot... "Let's all make claims that torrent sites ruin our industry, then when anyone questions, we'll ask THEM to prove otherwise"...

And torrent traffic can convert real well (if you know what your doing)... I know people who do nothing but work torrent/p2p, and they make a killing..

I'm the idiot? You are the one asking for proof, I posted it. Then you come back and say "a friend".. Shut the fuck up and go home if you don't have stats to back your claim.

Of course people can get one source of traffic to convert if that is what they do. But your claim is that it's effective, and that is utter bullshit.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by holograph

re "idiot", whatever =)

while you talk of legitimate ways of embedding ads in clips for torrents to use, there will be more non legit torrents catering whole members areas. torrents are the wares of today and that's a fact.

1) It's "warez" not "wares"

2) Do you have any idea how many secret handshakes go on between "warez" sites and those in the porn industry?

3) It's a GOOD thing that there is some full length stuff on torrent sites, it's the carrot that keeps users going back, but with 98% of it being short trailers, webmasters will always come out ahead (those that are working it, and not bitching)

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

1) It's "warez" not "wares"

2) Do you have any idea how many secret handshakes go on between "warez" sites and those in the porn industry?

3) It's a GOOD thing that there is some full length stuff on torrent sites, it's the carrot that keeps users going back, but with 98% of it being short trailers, webmasters will always come out ahead (those that are working it, and not bitching)

It's Wares, the kids and internet added the z

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm the idiot? You are the one asking for proof, I posted it. Then you come back and say "a friend".. Shut the fuck up and go home if you don't have stats to back your claim.

Of course people can get one source of traffic to convert if that is what they do. But your claim is that it's effective, and that is utter bullshit.

You posted proof? C'mon, for a Doc you must be able to come up with more, than simply saying "I have stats" and "It converts about 1:5k"...

If someone came into your office and said "Doc, My tummy hurts" would you say "That's because you simply have indigestion, after all, I have stats that say 60% of stomach aches are from indigestion" ... Later we find that little Tommy dies from Diverticular disease...

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's Wares, the kids and internet added the z

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez


Sorry, Try again.

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by GeXus

1) but with 98% of it being short trailers

Which torrent sites are you looking at?

[Serge Litehead]

while there are "secret handshakes", somehow much of the industry is in disagreement just like record, movie and software industries why is that?

remove all illegal downloadable stuff from torrents and they render themselves useless left only with short clips and content of those secret handshakes.

its not wise to try protect activities with disrespect of copyrights.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by GeXus

3) It's a GOOD thing that there is some full length stuff on torrent sites, it's the carrot that keeps users going back, but with 98% of it being short trailers, webmasters will always come out ahead (those that are working it, and not bitching)

There isn't "some" full length stuff on torrent sites. There is a shitload of full length stuff on torrent sites. And the "98% short trailers" statement is simply false - the average file on many torrent sites is 500MB+... hardly a short trailer.

And honestly, please do explain what's good about full site rips. Why the hell would a surfer join a site if he can easily download it *entirely*?

[Tom_PM]

Hey, if we were talking about "short unsatisfying teaser" movie clips, then there would be no issue.

If torrents carried Hollywood movie TRAILERS instead of full movies, there would not be an issue.

If Napster had carried short unsatisfying sound bites from songs, there would not be an issue.

But since none of those are true, we have an issue.

Now, if you are arguing that companies promoting THEMSELVES via P2P networks with heavily watermarked clips should not bitch about their own method, then you have a point. THAT would be foolish.

But if some buttwipe rapes our entire members areas and uploads them to buttbuddy's torrents in full with no watermarks, we have an issue. If the reason why isn't obvious, then can't help ya.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by holograph

while there are "secret handshakes", somehow much of the industry is in disagreement just like record, movie and software industries why is that?

remove all illegal downloadable stuff from torrents and they render themselves useless left only with short clips and content of those secret handshakes.

its not wise to try protect activities with disrespect of copyrights.

Yeah, and in a perfect world there would be only 1 pay site, which I would own, and everyone would have to pay my ridiculous prices and pictures would suffice every masterbator...

Times change brotha, you can either fight it (like the rest of these trolls) or you can learn to make money from it and reap the rewards that you otherwise would not have, it's all just added competition, the good thing about torrents is they give you a platform to easily compete...

There will always be MP3's available for download, full movies, full porn videos, full software, and whatever else... accept it and learn to monetize it.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez Sorry, Try again.

It's slang you moron.. Wares is the actual word. Just like crackers, become crackerz, hackz, serialz, ect.. Warez stuck because the butt pirates never let it go.

[jigg]

Originally Posted by GeXus

You idiot... Microsoft is selling a piece of software... very different from selling a subscription.. if a user downloads windows, then they have windows, there is no up sell, if a user downloads a clip with ads in it, then they now have a short unsatisfying teaser with the ability to sign up for a subscription..

windows has an upsell:

using the OS isntead of Mac helps MS gain marketshare
using IE, outlook express - presumably
using default search - MSN/Live.com
using MSN Messenger
etc

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's slang you moron.. Wares is the actual word. Just like crackers, become crackerz, hackz, serialz, ect.. Warez stuck because the butt pirates never let it go.

Yes, It is slang for "wares" which is the definitive term for LEGAL software. ILLEGAL software, which you were referring to is known as "warez", now STFU

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

You posted proof? C'mon, for a Doc you must be able to come up with more, than simply saying "I have stats" and "It converts about 1:5k"...

My proof is as solid as your bullshit shit rant.. At least I own affiliate programs and one would think that I have at least tried torrent/tube or had at least one webmaster try it.

If torrent converted, I would be the first person to say it's safe to play that game. Torrent sites don't mostly have clips, they mostly have full stolen scenes and movies, those do NOT send sales. We don't even get ghost referrals from torrent sites, a true sign at the traffic they don't send.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by Libertine

There isn't "some" full length stuff on torrent sites. There is a shitload of full length stuff on torrent sites. And the "98% short trailers" statement is simply false - the average file on many torrent sites is 500MB+... hardly a short trailer.

And honestly, please do explain what's good about full site rips. Why the hell would a surfer join a site if he can easily download it *entirely*?

You guys complain but you don't know the game... 500MB?? C'mon, 96.7% of those are zipped teasers....

Full site rips? SO WHAT! Like I said, it's the carrot that keeps the idiots coming back for more... Just because something is on the torrent sites, doesn't mean that is what everyone is downloading... UH OH.. 4 people downloaded the full paysite.. BIG DEAL when another few hundred have signed up due to the teasers placed out there.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

Yes, It is slang for "wares" which is the definitive term for LEGAL software. ILLEGAL software, which you were referring to is known as "warez", now STFU

Yeah, that's called slang you idiot.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

You guys complain but you don't know the game... 500MB?? C'mon, 96.7% of those are zipped teasers....

Full site rips? SO WHAT! Like I said, it's the carrot that keeps the idiots coming back for more... Just because something is on the torrent sites, doesn't mean that is what everyone is downloading... UH OH.. 4 people downloaded the full paysite.. BIG DEAL when another few hundred have signed up due to the teasers placed out there.

Post your proof that "another few hundred have signed up due to the teasers"

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

My proof is as solid as your bullshit shit rant.. At least I own affiliate programs and one would think that I have at least tried torrent/tube or had at least one webmaster try it.

If torrent converted, I would be the first person to say it's safe to play that game. Torrent sites don't mostly have clips, they mostly have full stolen scenes and movies, those do NOT send sales. We don't even get ghost referrals from torrent sites, a true sign at the traffic they don't send.

Spreken zie Deutsch? What you said, was simply not proof, not even close by definition.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by GeXus

Yes, It is slang for "wares" which is the definitive term for LEGAL software. ILLEGAL software, which you were referring to is known as "warez", now STFU

you got my point non the less if i said "wares" or "warez"

re:

the good thing about torrents is they give you a platform to easily compete...

not true, as you really have to compete against yourself while you putting out your watermarked short clips someone is downloading your full movies. that is if you own content.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

Spreken zie Deutsch? What you said, was simply not proof, not even close by definition.

So your agrument is to just say the other person is wrong, so you continue to spew your shit with nothing to back it up.

So if I post a screenshot, of one webmaster, will that shut you up?

[candyflip]

I would guess that mainstream movies are the most downloaded torrents, but this summer has been Hollywood's biggest ever.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/30/news...vies/index.htm

[woj]

Originally Posted by holograph

and Microsoft intentionally distributed all their windows on warez up until 2000-vista just because of that reason. now, see how far MS has gone.

oh? have any proof of that?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I would guess that mainstream movies are the most downloaded torrents, but this summer has been Hollywood's biggest ever.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/30/news...vies/index.htm

Watching net quality movies is rather lame, and the dl wait on quality cuts can be long. We don't have one friend or family member that enjoys watching good movies from the net.

People will pay for that much better quality.

I did watch Sicko from a net burn, but the quality he produces is hardly even net worthy.

[abixalmon]

That is very true!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by GeXus

You guys complain but you don't know the game... 500MB?? C'mon, 96.7% of those are zipped teasers....

Full site rips? SO WHAT! Like I said, it's the carrot that keeps the idiots coming back for more... Just because something is on the torrent sites, doesn't mean that is what everyone is downloading... UH OH.. 4 people downloaded the full paysite.. BIG DEAL when another few hundred have signed up due to the teasers placed out there.

You're clueless.

http://www.puretna.com
Register.
Go to "Top Torrents".
A 700MB partial siterip with 24000 downloads is the "most appreciated torrent" right now. In the description, the guy says he'll also post all the other girls from that site - click his name, and you see he's already posted several gigs from the site.
A 25GB full site rip with over 6000 downloads is the most data transferred torrent.
...etc.

You are WRONG. Plain and simple.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by Libertine

You're clueless.

http://www.puretna.com
Register.
Go to "Top Torrents".
A 700MB partial siterip with 24000 downloads is the "most appreciated torrent" right now. In the description, the guy says he'll also post all the other girls from that site - click his name, and you see he's already posted several gigs from the site.
A 25GB full site rip with over 6000 downloads is the most data transferred torrent.
...etc.

You are WRONG. Plain and simple.

6000 downloads? LOL, That's NOTHING brah.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by woj

oh? have any proof of that?

heh, that was a sarcastic joke based on a very old rumor about that. i suppouse if Gates sow the future he could have taken that route of marketing. up until xp and vista they did very little about protecting their products. but its too many variables to make a statement that they are as big because of piracy and no other company benefits from it directly. MS got in at the right time in the right place.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Watching net quality movies is rather lame, and the dl wait on quality cuts can be long. We don't have one friend or family member that enjoys watching good movies from the net.

People will pay for that much better quality.

I did watch Sicko from a net burn, but the quality he produces is hardly even net worthy.

So you're hypocrite that supports downloading Hollywood films, but not adult?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

6000 downloads? LOL, That's NOTHING brah.

Wow, just think from your terms if it had only uploaded some trailers he would have been hammered with 100's of sales. With all these torrent sites, affiliate programs type-ins must be going through the roof!!!

Hell, why are even any complaining about slow times with all the torrents pumping fresh sales to all of us each day.

[Libertine]

Oh, as for Windows and Hollywood...

In the case of Windows, warez were useful because they provided a way to suppress free alternatives (Linux, etc). Since serious businesses won't use warez, and most new computers ship with windows, there's an upsell.
Also, by suppressing alternatives, software development for alternatives was also suppressed, which made them even less useful for the average consumer.

In the case of movies, one reason they still do well is that they are often part of a "night out". Downloading a movie is never an alternative for going to the movie theater. Another reason is that downloaded movies often simply offer relatively low quality compared to DVDs, and that they need to be burned before people can watch them the way they want to - on their television.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Wow, just think from your terms if it had only uploaded some trailers he would have been hammered with 100's of sales. With all these torrent sites, affiliate programs type-ins must be going through the roof!!!

Hell, why are even any complaining about slow times with all the torrents pumping fresh sales to all of us each day.

Bottom line, Proof is in the pudding... everyone can easily bash people and point the finger at a niche of web site to get a sense of relief, being able to justify not being creative enough and not engaging to new users by taking the cop out approach is of course, the easiest position to take. But until someone prooves these accusations, that is all they are, accusations. And what is even more hypocritical is the fact that TGP sites have been around for a long time now, with everyone sucking their dicks for traffic... The people who use torrent sites for free porn are far and few between those who visit TGP sites and get enough for a quick jerk.

If you want to talk about free porn damaging the industry, don't bash torrents, instead bash the industry insiders who sold out years ago.

[GeXus]

blahhhh double post

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

So you're hypocrite that supports downloading Hollywood films, but not adult?

Actually I never said I do or don't support torrent. If I did I would allow advertising next to stolen content. I have said I don't think torrents are the cause of saturation.

I didn't download the movie or burn it either. A friend did knowing I would never go see in the theaters, rent it or get it on ppv. For all I know they purchased a download, I didn't ask.

I download and burn music though, but I pay for that service too. And Warez wise, I have tested many different software packages but every bit of software on every PC I own has been purchased.

Theft happens.. Your post was about making making with torrent sites, which you still have not posted one shred of proof about or even had one person post saying they make 100's of sales (like you stated) from those sites.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

If you want to talk about free porn damaging the industry, don't bash torrents, instead bash the industry insiders who sold out years ago.

Industry Insiders? Who in fuck is that?

TGP's send sales every day, all day.. They post 8-15 pictures or a few 30 second clips that I make DIRECT money from. Torrent sites DO NOT do that.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Actually I never said I do or don't support torrent. If I did I would allow advertising next to stolen content. I have said I don't think torrents are the cause of saturation.

I didn't download the movie or burn it either. A friend did knowing I would never go see in the theaters, rent it or get it on ppv. For all I know they purchased a download, I didn't ask.

I download and burn music though, but I pay for that service too. And Warez wise, I have tested many different software packages but every bit of software on every PC I own has been purchased.

Theft happens.. Your post was about making making with torrent sites, which you still have not posted one shred of proof about or even had one person post saying they make 100's of sales (like you stated) from those sites.

Woah, Relax... I'm not the MPAA brah... But let's face it, you knew damn well your "friend" downloaded the movie from a torrent site... don't feed us these lies..

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Industry Insiders? Who in fuck is that?

TGP's send sales every day, all day.. They post 8-15 pictures or a few 30 second clips that I make DIRECT money from. Torrent sites DO NOT do that.

You mean you DO NOT make money from torrents...

And there are a lot more than 8-15 pictures brah... there are 8-15 pictures per each of the THOUSANDS of galleries listed.... There has been debate about TGP's effect on the industry for years... anyone who remembers what it was like back in the early 90's, knows the effect... the days of 1:5 conversions were destroyed.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

Woah, Relax... I'm not the MPAA brah... But let's face it, you knew damn well your "friend" downloaded the movie from a torrent site... don't feed us these lies..

Haha, you are so very wrong.. I'm 100% sure the husband has no idea what torrent sites are. I know they use netflix and other services like it, I figured they paid for the download.

[GeXus]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Haha, you are so very wrong.. I'm 100% sure the husband has no idea what torrent sites are. I know they use netflix and other services like it, I figured they paid for the download.

Ohh okay, yeah that makes sense.. of course..

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by GeXus

6000 downloads? LOL, That's NOTHING brah.

I'm starting to think you're just being willfully stupid.

Those 6000 downloads are the "upsells" from single scenes. The people who downloaded single scenes (which are easily available as well - only full scenes, of course) and decided they wanted the whole site.

Most people only need a few full scenes to cum, of course, so there's no point for them to download an entire site. However, for the 1.6 million registered members of that particular site, there is no reason whatsoever to actually join a site. They can get full scenes, they can get full site rips, they can get full dvds - all for free.

Anyone who knows how to use bittorrent, emule, direct connect, etc. does not have ANY reason to join a paysite.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by GeXus

You mean you DO NOT make money from torrents...

And there are a lot more than 8-15 pictures brah... there are 8-15 pictures per each of the THOUSANDS of galleries listed.... There has been debate about TGP's effect on the industry for years... anyone who remembers what it was like back in the early 90's, knows the effect... the days of 1:5 conversions were destroyed.

Nobody ever had 1:5 days.. The only thing TGP's did was make it so we had to be more creative, meaning not just every shit site would convert.

And if you can't see the difference then you are a bigger moron than I thought. Torrent sites do not add a few samples, and then banners/links to my site giving me direct traffic and perm backlinks. If a TGP ripped a full movie from a sponsor, the sponsor would can his account.

By your thinking all member areas should be free and we should stick a donation box up.

[jonesonyou]

Torrents will never go away.

[madawgz]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's Wares, the kids and internet added the z

but warez is the proper way to say it...