Maybe you could explain something to me. If we are terrible people and it is such an awful country, why do millions of people break-in to our country?

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You mean: wasting expensive cruise missiles on abandoned outposts in the mountains. And it WAS a diversion from the 'abusing his power' thing.

Bill Clinton made no decision without measuring which way the political winds were blowing. He was afraid to commit the troops to get Bin Laden.

When military intelligence had Bin Laden in their sights, Clinton was too afraid to pull the trigger.

Clinton was the worst President.. ever.

Na... the country is wonderful and and loves cheap labor so much it keeps buying more cheap shit on credit that it can't afford to pay for and now wants it's bankers to change the rules to allow even more cheap shit to be imported - but again on credit.

The only significant people who "break in" are Mexican labor - you may remember these people who signed up to NAFTA at a cost which got still more cheap labor?? Ironically Mexico has since developed economically and is now showing a reasonable global trading balance and is in a far better economic situation than the US currently is.

There is nothing "aweful" about the country - there is more than something "aweful" about the idiots who have run it into an economic downwards spiral.

You seriously have a sickness over politics as though that mattered a shit.

Somehow I can see you in line at the soup kitchen when the country is on it's last legs economically and still spewing garbage about domestic politics while China buys up assets :1orglaugh

Don't worry fellas, we should be knee deep in Iran war posturing by the time the election rolls around.

By that time it will be Mitt Vs. Hillary... and if we have the threat of a real war in front of us no one will vote for a woman.

The Republicans know how to play the game. This is their only way to win.

bukkake!

make more money :1orglaugh

now, you are on a planet of your own ... wait ... no ... a galaxy
or maybe in "O'Reilly's no spin zone" :1orglaugh

Clinton's average scholar rank is #21
Worst #42 Warren G. Harding

Because they want to defeat you ....

I don't know why anyone continues to try and "debate" anything with DaddyHalbucks... Here's a couple "hints" for those that haven't figured it out yet..

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hey daddyhalbucks, at the next Repugnican National Convention thank everyone for bringing my country down to the point of being an inspiration and justification for third world banana republic tyrants.

"Zimbabwe President Mugabe Signs State Eavesdropping Law

Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe on Friday signed into law the controversial Interception of Communications Bill, which gives his government the authority to eavesdrop on phone and Internet communications and read physical mail.

The legislation has drawn outspoken opposition from the political opposition and civil society organizations as trampling on the civil rights of Zimbabweans.

Spokesman Nelson Chamisa of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change faction of Morgan Tsvangirai called it an addition to "the dictator's tool kit" . . .

Secretary General Welshman Ncube of the MDC faction led by Arthur Mutambara called it a "final straw to the curtailment to the liberties of Zimbabweans."

Human rights lawyer Otto Saki told VOA that the law interferes and undermines the enjoyment of rights enshrined in the constitution and is a sign Mr. Mugabe wants to consolidate his power by "any means necessary or unnecessary."

But Communications Minister Christopher Mushowe said Zimbabwe is not unique in the world in passing such legislation, citing electronic eavesdropping programs in the United States, the United Kingdom and South Africa, among other countries."

Really appreciate it!!

The way that Democrats pray for high Iraq casualties to support the cut and run effort? No, likely, they don't. But ignorance is bliss, and politics is politics.

They want a better life. That's why millions come here.

Striving for a job, a house, an education, and living the American dream does not defeat out country, it is what makes us strong.

The USA is a magnet because of the opportunities and the freedom.

Ooooh - I like the idea of a "better life". Can I break into your fantasy dream? :winkwink:

So... getting the reality hat on - this "magnet" attracts people who often get paid peanuts, are lining up for a crappy mortgage in a sinking real estate market and being offered a fairly poor education (and maybe matches your idiocy level) - plus all the "opportunities and freedom"?????

You really are a very stupid person DH :(

or MABYE...just MABYE you happen to be the country next to the one who the people are comming from? :winkwink:

Yea, I must be a real dumb bunny, a real Ivy League retard.

OK, on your say-so, I will move to Mexico, or maybe Cuba. Yes, Cuba, that is where I will go to live my dreams! Gosh, I can't wait to reap the rewards of being a worker there, in their amazing socialist system. Do you think they will let me drive a 50s Chevy? Maybe I can meet Fidel!

I seriously think you are a "real dumb bunny" judging by the infantile posts - including this one.

What the hell are you talking about Mexico and Cuba for? Is it because you cherry-picked a couple of countries to suit your agenda?? Why not pick any two other western industrialized countries and compare them?? It is because it is harder to compare "like with like"? :winkwink:

I never knew Ivy League was that dumb - but hey - GFY offers something new each day - in amusement value.

The scholars' opinions are valid. So is mine. I was a scholar too.

I have a strange way of ranking Presidents:

First, I value strength and courage. I give GWB high marks for this. He does what he feels is right. Period. Let the chips fall where they may. This is very attractive to me. Clinton never made any decision without checking the winds and the polsters. I give him low marks for this.

Second, I value good government. Clinton promised us "the most ethical administration ever" and he delivered the exact opposite. He is the only President ever impeached for personal malfeasance. Not since Richard Nixon did a President so betray his oaths, his office, and the people. I give Clinton extremely low marks for this. So far, there have been relatively few scandals in the Bush administration.

Under my ranking system, economy is not a major issue, nor is whether the guy is a slick backslapper, likes or dislikes porn, nor if he plays music in a rock band.

Chalk it up to my eccentricities.

if you're doing so well, why are you a sigwhore like, 10 times over?

you're a scholar of my ass, and I chalk it up to the truly impressive density of your skull.

So I just want to make sure I understand this.

You give points to a president who says, "fuck what everyone is telling me, I'm doing what I want." then when he does what he wants and it all goes to hell in a hand basket he turns to the same people that advises him against it and asks for their advice, they give it and he chooses to basically ignore it and do what he wants again? I'm not forgiving Clinton and I don't fully disagree with you that he judged the political winds before doing anything, but I don't see that as any worse than being bull headed and doing whatever you want no matter how many people advise you against it.

Also, does it occur to you that there haven't been as many scandals for Bush because for the first 6 years of his presidency the republicans held both houses and they chose to turn the other cheek? Let us not forget the entire Clinton impeachment started with the republicans spending around 70 million dollars trying to dig up dirt and all they came up with is a blowjob so they attacked him for it. Have you noticed that since the Dems have take over both houses they have been gunning for Bush and his administration? I'm not saying it is the right thing to do, but I think if the democrats held both houses during his entire presidency there would be a lot more dirt and scandal thrown his way.

My 2 cents:

Anyone who doesn't think america is digging a huge ditch for us to fall into
these days is just blind to reality.

Scholar my ass :1orglaugh You have demonstrated nothing but sheer ignorance and a sicko preoccupation with politics and hatred - a true product of the propaganda machine.

Sure do have a strange way ranking Presidents tho who the hell cares? OK - Will chalk it up to your "eccentricities" but can you keep em to yourself? They are embarassing in an scholarly environment like GFY :winkwink:

Seriously - it's actually OK in the real world - try it sometime :)

If Clinton didn't try hard enough to get Osama, then please tell me what Bush did before 9/11. Here, I'll help......


From the 9/11 Commission Report (concerning the infamous ?Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S.? warning given to Bush):
"We have found no indication of any further discussion before September 11 among the President and his top advisers of the possibility of a threat of an al Qaeda attack in the United States."

Furthermore, after the warning was given to Bush he met with Tenet:

"Tenet visited President Bush in Crawford, Texas... Tenet does not recall any discussions with the President of the domestic threat during this period."

So there you have it. The only thing going on in the White House concerning terrorism pre-9/11 was that one warning on that one piece of paper, and NOTHING was done about it. They DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.


Maybe DaddyHalbucks can come along and straighten this out and tell us what Bush & Co. did to fight terrorism. Maybe DaddyHalbucks knows things that the 9/11 Commission didn't have access to.

Fucking conspiracy thread.
Dont hate on republicans just because you dont like bush.

More than a few conservatives speak as if they're hoping another 9-11 happens. You know, to show the liberals that they're right. It's kind of weird sometimes.

But just as weird are liberals who always seem to hope bad things happen while we're at war to underscore the point that Bush is an idiot.

Define strength and courage for me? Look at the Bush administration and the people who orchestrated the Iraq war. Now tell me how much military experience they have. They are real strong sending other people's kids off to fight in the war. That isn't strength, it's being a fucking coward. You just think he's strong because he wears a cowboy hat and plays up to some homoerotic fantasy Republicans have with John Wayne. They are just pussies who never had the balls to fight in a war themselves.

I'm not really interested in who sucks my President's dick as long as the country is run well. While you care about a President getting a blowjob, I care about our country losing a city to standing water. I guess we just have different priorities.

The Chief of Staff to the Vice President of the United States was convicted of multiple felonies. You had the CIA leak case, invisible WMDs, FEMA fuckup with Katrina, Abu Ghraib, Pat Tillman, Attorney General firings, no-bid contracts, Jack Abramoff, missing money, medicare, Walter Reed, Tom Delay, forged Niger documents, bailing out Boeing, I could go on and on and on. If this is your idea of relatively few, you have some awfully low standards for your President.

So basically your income and livelihood is not important whatsoever. I guess I put more emphasis on putting food on the table of my family.

But all this aside. You think a guy who doesn't believe in evolution, that believes we lived amongst dinosaurs, that Noah didn't have room on his ark for them, is a good President. You think a guy who appointed a Surgeon General who believes homosexuality can be cured by praying real hard is a good leader. You think a man who hires an attorney general who can't even remember why his own top employees were fired is competent enough to run this country.

Fact is that most of us wouldn't find Bush qualified to teach a Junior High Class, let alone run this country.

Hot thread. Duct-tape and plastic people. Be afraid.

The hatred against one another is needless. One only needs to read history to see that this shit happens over and over. It's nothing new.

I personally consider myself socially a liberal, seeing the poor and uneducated as needing a helping hand, not a handout. Economically, I seek for business to prosper but to also give at least minimal benefits (according to 1st world standards in many european countries and canada). There is an equilibrium.

I don't think they mean everyone who went to college, I think it's you know: people specialised in the field of history, politics, economics and law probably
experts in their field

isn't Bush an Ivy leaguer? case closed

this proves you are no "scholar", think further please, maybe he should do what is right and legal, maybe also in the spirit of the Constitution

You know that the same way Hitler, Pinochet, Ahmadinejad and every other asshole think, they believe what they are doing is right and damn the consequences

isn't it clear that's no way to rule a country, especially one with nuclear weapons

now, I know you're smoking something: good government, I don't even know where to begin, fuck ... this isn't possible

Clinton: lying about a blowjob <-> Bush starting a war under false reasons
People dying from their crime:
Clinton: 0
Bush: 3500 US soldiers and 600.000 Iraqis

yes, I see how this makes Clinton much worse

yes, 10 million extra poor people not a major issue, bankrupting your country no biggy, standing up for civil liberties: not important

this is truely unbelievable

The President is not elected into a position of total and complete power over the country. You are right, Bush does what Bush wants. That is the problem here. He might be the first president to show a total disregard for those who do not agree with him. That includes not only regular Americans but also the people on his own staff that advise him.

You like little boys don't you :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Awesome post

Do you think the patriot act was written overnight?:upsidedow

nice thread aside from all the shouting

Asuming The Politician Care About People
 

You give the politicians way more credit for compassion than I do. I think it's all about them and their power we are pawns.:2 cents: