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cyberstar 08-08-2007 01:55 PM
i've just added a credit card to my epass account and i have to fax them:
"a copy of front and back of the credit card, copy of ID, copy of a recent statement for the card with your name and address on it." to verify the card

so the question is, if these are the requirements, then how can someone use a stolen credit card?? makes no sense at all!

KimJI 08-08-2007 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberstar (Post 12897896)
i've just added a credit card to my epass account and i have to fax them:
"a copy of front and back of the credit card, copy of ID, copy of a recent statement for the card with your name and address on it." to verify the card

so the question is, if these are the requirements, then how can someone use a stolen credit card?? makes no sense at all!
Who said stolen creditcard? I have not seen anyone mention that here. I would think someone down the line did a charge back from their bank, which would lead up to the bank asking Epass to give them some money, and in the end it means they take the money back from your account.

Oracle Porn 08-08-2007 02:01 PM
you got stolen money in your account....ofcourse you should pay it back.... you decided to do business with a scammer its your fault.

Jace 08-08-2007 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12897925)
Who said stolen creditcard? I have not seen anyone mention that here. I would think someone down the line did a charge back from their bank, which would lead up to the bank asking Epass to give them some money, and in the end it means they take the money back from your account.
Michael (ePassporte) (08:53 PM) :
To his account.
There they will be used to payback the money he stole using stolen credit cards.

Jace 08-08-2007 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle Porn (Post 12897927)
you got stolen money in your account....ofcourse you should pay it back.... you decided to do business with a scammer its your fault.
that is kind of a weird way to think about it

how was anyone supposed to know he was going to scam people? or do you have some time travelling capabilities?

BlackCrayon 08-08-2007 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberstar (Post 12897896)
i've just added a credit card to my epass account and i have to fax them:
"a copy of front and back of the credit card, copy of ID, copy of a recent statement for the card with your name and address on it." to verify the card

so the question is, if these are the requirements, then how can someone use a stolen credit card?? makes no sense at all!
this must be a new requirement as usually you only have to send this info in if your account gets suspended for whatever reason.

GatorB 08-08-2007 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897366)
are you serious

so, someone else steals a credit card, uses it to pay you and they make YOU pay them back?

that is NUTS

fuck epassporte
I'm not defending epass so let's get that straight. However if I rob a bank and pay you with the cash from that robbery you bet the bank is going to want that money back from YOU.

Vlad 08-08-2007 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 12897446)
when activating funding by CC dont you have to check your bank account for a security code in order to verify it? How did he do that?
y0 SR ! :winkwink:

well , actually you can search the ssn number in db for specified name, then you enroll the credit card online with correct snn number, once the card enrolled you can view the statements online, therefore you can see the code.

KimJI 08-08-2007 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897939)
Michael (ePassporte) (08:53 PM) :
To his account.
There they will be used to payback the money he stole using stolen credit cards.

Ok, I didnt see that.

Chris 08-08-2007 02:14 PM
wow
from this point on i will NOT be doing epass to paypal or vise versa for anyone

scary fuckin shit

DaddyHalbucks 08-08-2007 02:15 PM
Sorry to hear that.

Klen 08-08-2007 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897366)
are you serious

so, someone else steals a credit card, uses it to pay you and they make YOU pay them back?

that is NUTS

fuck epassporte
That is not nuts,it's a normal thing with every online proccesor,not just with epassporte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12897475)
Its probably Visa that wants the money back, so do you expect them to pay out of their own pocket?

Of course I would want them to go after PimpingJ since they have his private address, but since you received the money, and the money "was fake" or what you call it - then they can do what they did.

Its like if you buy a stolen TV and the cops find out. They will take the TV and you don't get your money back. Its of course hard for you to know that these money was stolen, but its the risk you take when dealing with people like that.

Im sorry. Your situation SUCK - agree, but Epass did what they can and should do.
Correct.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897525)
I have had my visa debit card stolen before and charged on....the bank ate the fees and went after the thief, I got my money back within 2 days

epassporte should be eating the charges, plain and simple, it was their fault for accepting the stolen card and allowing that much money to be charged on it
Offline and online money proccesing are two totaly different thing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimJI (Post 12897595)
The difference here is he received stolen money. If you received stolen or laundered money on your bank account, you would have to pay it back as well.

Epass is more a processor than a Bank. A bank, by law, have to refund you the money and go after the thief if money is stolen from you.

If you did a paypal/epass exchange, you can go to Paypal and they will have to give you your money back.

It sucks, but Epass just followed the law.

I just wich that Epassporte would call people up when they froze their account
Correct.

Klen 08-08-2007 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberstar (Post 12897896)
i've just added a credit card to my epass account and i have to fax them:
"a copy of front and back of the credit card, copy of ID, copy of a recent statement for the card with your name and address on it." to verify the card

so the question is, if these are the requirements, then how can someone use a stolen credit card?? makes no sense at all!
I was wondering same.I think that card was used for opening epassporte account,and first card doesnt require verification,only additional cards.In shortly they should verify each card as alertpay do.You cant add credit card there unless you send all requied documents including paper with your written permission(that's good thing)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897949)
that is kind of a weird way to think about it

how was anyone supposed to know he was going to scam people? or do you have some time travelling capabilities?
Best solution to prevent that is to avoid large transcations.For example i been chargebacked 1743$ before two weeks(paypal to epass transfer)
This times you cant trust anyone.

cyberstar 08-08-2007 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 12897973)
this must be a new requirement as usually you only have to send this info in if your account gets suspended for whatever reason.
It is a requirement for any account that looks "suspicious". For example, living in one country and having a cc from another country.

Oracle Porn 08-08-2007 02:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897949)
that is kind of a weird way to think about it

how was anyone supposed to know he was going to scam people? or do you have some time travelling capabilities?
when a store gets an online order from a stolen credit card and sends the goods to the address, later the payment gets charged back....is visa going to eat up the charges or will the store pay them all + interest?
how does the store supposed to know he the cc is stolen?

_Richard_ 08-08-2007 03:09 PM
is epass paying money back for the fees that they incurred?

that's what i would have asked

lazycash 08-08-2007 03:21 PM
More important than Epass fucking over a customer, (whats new), is that another gfy regular has been identified as a scammer - Pimpin_J

Klen 08-08-2007 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle Porn (Post 12898265)
when a store gets an online order from a stolen credit card and sends the goods to the address, later the payment gets charged back....is visa going to eat up the charges or will the store pay them all + interest?
how does the store supposed to know he the cc is stolen?
They will not pay anything,they will just lost item.

polish_aristocrat 08-08-2007 03:55 PM
Klen Telaris officially replaced Kimmy Kim as the new credit card processing expert on GFY....


Quote:
Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 12898158)
For example i been chargebacked 1743$ before two weeks

you have never seen $1743 in your life :error

ladida 08-08-2007 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 12898158)
In shortly they should verify each card as alertpay do.You cant add credit card there unless you send all requied documents including paper with your written permission(that's good thing)
You can add CC to alertpay without faxing anything. Also, they lose their CC processing every few weeks

chodadog 08-08-2007 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12897978)
I'm not defending epass so let's get that straight. However if I rob a bank and pay you with the cash from that robbery you bet the bank is going to want that money back from YOU.
What a bunch of bullshit. Say I'm a web designer and you rip some guy off for $1000. You then use that $1000 to pay for design work. You think I should then lose my hard earned money because somewhere down the line somebody got fucked? Where do you draw the line? If I spend that money on hosting and can't afford to pay the money, can I then expect my hosting company to refund me 'cause the money is stolen? I fucking think not. This situation is bullshit.

GatorB 08-08-2007 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 12898724)
What a bunch of bullshit. Say I'm a web designer and you rip some guy off for $1000. You then use that $1000 to pay for design work. You think I should then lose my hard earned money because somewhere down the line somebody got fucked? Where do you draw the line? If I spend that money on hosting and can't afford to pay the money, can I then expect my hosting company to refund me 'cause the money is stolen? I fucking think not. This situation is bullshit.

it may be but here's another example. I break your TV, so I owe you a TV. I go and steal one and give it to you. The cops find out. Guess what, you have to give the TV back.

chodadog 08-08-2007 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12898735)
it may be but here's another example. I break your TV, so I owe you a TV. I go and steal one and give it to you. The cops find out. Guess what, you have to give the TV back.
That's a piss poor analogy. Some guy rocking up to your house with a TV is just a tad different to you accepting payments via a third party processor for legitimate business dealings.

chodadog 08-08-2007 04:35 PM
And where do they draw the line on this? I've accepted ePassporte payments from someone who it turns out has ripped some people off. Not with stolen credit cards, just with deals not being honored and the like. Is my account at risk?

GatorB 08-08-2007 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 12898755)
That's a piss poor analogy. Some guy rocking up to your house with a TV is just a tad different to you accepting payments via a third party processor for legitimate business dealings.

OK say they guy you got the money from is a drug dealer. Trust me the feds are going to want ALL his money.

GatorB 08-08-2007 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 12898763)
And where do they draw the line on this? I've accepted ePassporte payments from someone who it turns out has ripped some people off. Not with stolen credit cards, just with deals not being honored and the like. Is my account at risk?

Probably. That's why I only receive money from sponsors.

The Duck 08-08-2007 04:39 PM
Epass is shit, like paypal. Who will step up and make a good service?

baddog 08-08-2007 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897366)
are you serious

so, someone else steals a credit card, uses it to pay you and they make YOU pay them back?

that is NUTS

fuck epassporte
paypal is the same way

Klen 08-08-2007 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat (Post 12898560)
Klen Telaris officially replaced Kimmy Kim as the new credit card processing expert on GFY....





you have never seen $1743 in your life :error
And then you are suprised when people think you are losser.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladida (Post 12898639)
You can add CC to alertpay without faxing anything. Also, they lose their CC processing every few weeks
No idea.When i was adding my CC i was need to send on e-mail(not fax)copy of id,scan of front and back side credit card,utily bill and written permission.

baddog 08-08-2007 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 12898015)
wow
from this point on i will NOT be doing epass to paypal or vise versa for anyone

scary fuckin shit
I lost my Paypal acct because of a similar scam. I don't recommend anyone do any favors.

Klen 08-08-2007 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kandah (Post 12898778)
Epass is shit, like paypal. Who will step up and make a good service?
Looks like you forget what i said to you on icq :)
Unless that is other kandah.And dont forget epass atleast cannot have chargebacks meanwhile paypal can fuck you much worse if you receive fraud funds.Not to mention chargebacks.

Klen 08-08-2007 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12898810)
I lost my Paypal acct because of a similar scam. I don't recommend anyone do any favors.
Toolate,i already smoked 1743$.Where did you been that day hehe

StarkReality 08-08-2007 04:59 PM
So, as a customer I should play police and check if someone is doing legit business or not before accepting payments ?

Fuck it, that's ridiculous it's not my job, if epass is unable to get the money from the scammer directly, and there are legal ways for them to do so, it's their bad luck, not mine.

Freezing the account makes it even more ridiculous...don't shit where you eat, epass !

Klen 08-08-2007 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkReality (Post 12898886)
So, as a customer I should play police and check if someone is doing legit business or not before accepting payments ?

Fuck it, that's ridiculous it's not my job, if epass is unable to get the money from the scammer directly, and there are legal ways for them to do so, it's their bad luck, not mine.

Freezing the account makes it even more ridiculous...don't shit where you eat, epass !
Am afraid that is only way.

bdld 08-08-2007 05:19 PM
thats bad news, i wont be neither paying nor accepting payments except from sponsors from now on with epassporte.

kicks 08-08-2007 05:43 PM
ok I have to post to this.

If we as a company accept a stolen credit card to pay for services, we have to eat it and refund it all to the card holders account. That simple.

Yes have had similar on paypal also taking back because the person used a stolen card with them.

My question has always been the same, we pay if we accept a stolen card, can't say it happens a lot due to fruad protection and phone calls to confirm things but it can and does happen to anyone in business, so what makes paypal or epass any different. They are the ones that accepted the card.

Dagwolf 08-08-2007 05:44 PM
You've totally got my sympathy on the money loss, it looks like I'm going to lose a similar account to an error in texes. :(

Star 69 08-08-2007 06:43 PM
WOW, that is a real DRAMA

CyberHustler 08-08-2007 06:47 PM
Man... Thats fucked up!

Pleasurepays 08-08-2007 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jace (Post 12897366)
are you serious

so, someone else steals a credit card, uses it to pay you and they make YOU pay them back?

that is NUTS

fuck epassporte
simply declaring "so what, i bought a stolen car... its mine now, there's no fucking way i am giving it back" doesn't mean you now are the rightful owner of the vehicle because you paid for it.

it means you are going to get prosecuted for several crimes if you don't hand it over

:2 cents:


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