This would definitely be a big step forward. I am sure we could work out a contribution if this goes through. Keep GFY updated and post your email for further contact.

sadly, i think that the only way you can ever do something like this is to just start doing it, or find a small group of people and do it together to get the ball rolling... then people might start jumping on board when they see it can be done, can work, does work, will work etc.

otherwise, you are preaching to people who are usually by default, total shitheads who could really care less about anyone else, much less what happens in 2-3 months from today.

I don't think people are shitheads, its just that they want to see progress. So many people in this industry talk a big game then when it comes down to business they back out. If people were to see progress or at least something being started with genuine proof, the project would get backing. Coming here and talking about it is 1 thing, putting in the time and backing it up is something else.

Many people are involved with running their day to day operations and while working on something like this is beneficial it is not top-priority. If someone could make it top-priority and run with it, things could be different.

Problem is that lawsuits aren't really going to do much at all for the problem at hand. Even if you succeed on take one out via a lawsuit, 3 more will pop up in it's place and at least one will be owned at least in part by the person whose site you just closed (because they are making money doing it). It would be like having cancer and thinking a band-aid will make it all better.

Your first target shouldn't be a lawsuit against some tube site or BT, it should be taking a stand against the backstabbing scumbags in this industry that are encouraging this by rewarding them monetarily. Until we all come together and demand that this be stopped, this trend will continue until it wipes most of the industry out...


:2 cents:

your so right that will be the key.

yeah right. people dont give a shit about anyone but themselves and whether or not they can score any Bro Points.

why does someone need to have their hand held to have people stop ripping them off and stealing from them? in the normal world, it would take all of about 3 seconds for any normal business person to act. in online porn, its just expected and people have no problems partying with and sucking the cocks of the people that are robbing them.

I've volunteered to do that on more than one occasion (even once already in this thread), but it always seems to fall on deaf ears. I have PLENTY of time to devote to this, but I cannot do it alone. Until I start seeing some volunteers willing to help out and get this going, it does me no good to even start a project like this...

I agree and I don't think about should let stuff like this slide. My point was simply that we are all busy and quite often let this stuff slide, not because we want it too, but because quite frankly we are busy people.

With this being said you can count on those of us at Randy Blue (http://www.randyblue.com) to back this 120%.

Feel free to email me at andy AT belator D O T com

megarotic.com needs to be first!

Oh yeah, I forgot to add HornyMatches.com to the list...



AFF (including Cams.com, Streamray, and the rest of their network of sites)
Fleshlight
AVN (AdBright)
Fling
NastyDollars (same parent company as Fling)
BangBros (same parent company as Fling)
HugeTraffic (same parent company as Fling)
Kink.com (KinkyDollars)
HornyMatches.com

50.........

It is important to note that many companies buy traffic from click thru systems that appear on torrent sites as well, thinking they are somehow clean because they have 1 degree of seperation.

well...I feel like kickin some thief asses!

legal chill is real - if we won a lawsuit it would be open season on them all, the money would be there to shut them all down - the suing business is better than this business. there is more potential money in damages from some of these sites than running a porn affiliate program.

to do boycotts of AFF and the like - you see how far Will's crusade against Lars has gone. As PleasurePays says 95% of this industry is scum who don't give a shit about screwing anybody, friend or foe, and long term effects of anything mean nothing to them - never have, never will. what you'll get is 25 GFYers with 20 clicks a day supporting the boycott meanwhile the whales will continue to send them thousands of clicks per day and they'll all have a giggle about the boycott in the Bro treefort.

Here's some more

Datinggold
yieldmanager.com
clickhype.com

I really dont get it, how someone who is content publisher (NastyDollars, BangBros) can in the same time allow their dating program to benefit from stealing content publishers (Fling)

aebn own porntube, so start by not sending aebn traffic.

Besides megarotic.com, who are the other top 3-5 biggest offenders?

Guba,...

I just want a nice list of sites to avoid and to keep a close eye on

I would think that some of the larger TGP/MGP's would want to get involved. I imagine that their business model has suffered lately. Who wants to sit and look at 15 second low res clips all day when you can go and get the full, hi res video at one of these other places.

Me not like when content is stolen. Especially when I made the content. My own blood sweat and tears.

I have a theory on that,I bet places where content publishers have banners there is none of their content.

Exactly :thumbsup

i think bangbros/nastydollars/fling are really smart because whilst everyone is stealing there content, there getting watermark sales and everyones promoting fling on the pirated sites. They have all bases covered. I think they thought this shit through and found a way to capitalise on all the tube / bt site.

Thats just my :2 cents:

also, google is going to be releasing a video fingerprinting thing for youtube which is supposed to identify and delete pirated content as its uploaded. I could see something like this coming to adult which could potentially be a solution.

Or something where non amateur content must be limited to a maximum time length to stop full clips being added. Im sure there are solutions. I really thing this is a problem that can be solved. Trying to take someone down hiding behind dmca might be alot of wasted money, but who knows.

Even with all this 'proof' you guys couldn't squeeze together enough money to take that list on.

The whole "watermarked sales" thing is just fucking bullshit end to end. Giving away all your shit and hoping the one person too stupid to find it all will come and pay your bills is just fucked up. 5 or 10 years ago, well, maybe - and that was a limited amount of content. Now the entire episodes are out there to be downloaded. You think after a guy has beat off 10 times to all your stuff that he is then going to show up and pay for it? Trading dollars for pennies. What a smart business move.

It is a fucked up business model, no longer functional, and the only people getting rich off it are Lars and his ilk.

If this is done right and on the up and up, and a donation fund set up I would donate some money for this cause.

I'm sure 100's of other webmasters would as well. Even those from EU, Asia, etc shouldn't have a problem tossing in a few bucks or a few hundred each.

Anyone wanting to do the math can figure it out, that it could add up to a sizeable war chest.

This will be done right. One of the issues that we will be discussing tomorrow during the conference call with the law firm that has agreed to handle this is the formation of a legal association. The association is necessary so that legal action can be taken by the association on behalf of it's members. Very much like how the FSC lawsuit was filed on behalf of all FSC members.

Again, we are just now starting to look into the details, but I believe that anyone who makes a contribution will become a member of the association to the extent of their contribution. So, if you were to say contribute 5% of all money collected by the association, you would be entitled to 5% of any recovery received by the association.

That being said, everyone will need to understand that while we intend to pursue damages and penalties, that is a secondary goal. The primary goal will be to take down the first few, sending a message to the rest. If the rest don't get the message, then we will have to repeat the message directly to them, just a tad bit louder.

Is there some kind of reason you didnt reply to my IM's ? :(

I can't speak for anyone else but I'd be happy if any damages won would be put back into the fund to take down the next one, and so on.

Good luck with this project, I'll keep watching your efforts and will definitely contribute to it when the time comes. All of us stand to benefit in the long-term from this, should it prove to be successful in taking down even a few offending sites.

Don't get me wrong, this would be a great thing for the industry.

But you guys seem to underestimate this.. It's about $200k just to step into court with that many people, then about that again if we are lucky in lawyer fees. That assumes this won't go on for years and years. We also have to prove how they hurt our bottom line, what content they are advertising next too, and the estimations of loss. Oh yeah, and prove they earn an income, didn't close the account down, ect.. Lets not forget about the few years of focus that will be required for this, for every person that accuses them.

This wouldn't be a court case, these companies would eat us alive and no lawyer with a single cell brain would take this on as a project. If you could even get together 500k-1m from this industry, just look at acacia and who had to fight, the rest just sat back and watch as it STILL goes on.


Don't get me wrong, this would be a great fight... A great victory for our industry. It would be much easier to Mafia these assholes, save a lot of time and money.

in the mainstream industry a giant like viacom is trying to hurt youtube... in the adult industry a giant like viacom (aebn) owns one of these sites. Draw your own conclusions.

You are wrong.

First, the association would be filing suit, not each individual person.

Secondly, depending on how things are structured, many damages are statutory, written into the law. You don't have to prove that you lost a nickel or that they made a nickel.

Third, again based on structure, there are such things as temporary injunctions, TRO's, etc.

Fourth, there is the almighty DMCA notice.

Fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, etc, etc, etc, there is so much that you are not taking into consideration.

I am one of the people who did not settle with Acacia and chose to fight. I am proud to be an Acacia defendant but I will be even prouder to be a plaintiff in these matters.

Yes, because I am not sure whether I should be calling you Dr. Testosterone, squizzel, or defendant. I will know tomorrow after my conference call with our legal team.

Jmm,

Good thread - interesting ideas.

Look forward to reading more.

Thanks

Sure, I'm wrong.. Why not... Not that I haven't done this before or anything.

Talk to your lawyers, give them all the goodies and lets see what they say.

And thanks for Acacia, we needed people to stand out and defend us against others attacking the entire industry. Doesn't that give you some understand at how little the industry will help? Are you really willing to take on a possible multi-million dollar case?

To me looking at the FSC and FTC case is a huge sign, still to this day not one major company has stood up to take control of the fight. This entire case is lost, the FSC argument is a joke, just like 'our lobbyist' and what they want us to write in on.

I'm all up for fighting, I will even help you out. I have first hand experience with this and many other legal fights. If I had a solid - one on one - case with this, I would have taken it to court years ago. This isn't an easy money case and only a blind man would think it is.

Nobody said it was going to be easy money. And yes, cases like these cost money. The firm we are going to be using is already litigating cases very much like this. A lot of the research and leg work has already been done and we can benefit from that. There are also things that can be done, and systems put into place that can make an immediate dent that cost almost nothing.

Appreciate your willingness to help, I am sure I will be holding you to that.

Can't you just DDoS them? :winkwink: I mean the FBI used all kind of unethical and illegal ways to take down Cosa Nostra except murder maybe :)

Seek professional website screwing help from Turkish Islamist hackers to take down porn tubes, show them some Muslim homo videos :1orglaugh

By all means, please do..

I think people have tried to take on sites like Guba before, and lost. They have rules to follow like keeping headers, logging everything, removing illegal content, following DCMA notices, and so on. It's not illegal to charge for access to the news groups.

The others, I guess if they don't show due diligence then you have them owned.. Otherwise it will be a major uphill fight, in my opinion.