Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12875826)

Steroids were against the law before 2002.

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 12875854)

Good for you, but it still doesn't change the fact that you don't know as much as you think you do, regarding my age or this issue, and that you have a complete inability to engage in a conversation or debate without getting butt hurt...

Originally Posted by I am chauncy (Post 12875858)

but steroids where not on the banned substance list until 2002 so as it pertains to baseball anyone using was not cheating.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 12875833)

this is true but it doesn't add much to Bonds' case as the legitimate home run king of all time - pitchers are not helped anywhere near directly as much as a home run hitter is by the use of steroids. Bulking up a pitcher's arm isn't going to make him put 5 miles on his fastball or make his breaking ball break better - Bonds' record will be a function of two benefits of his steroid use - the ability for his body at an advanced baseball age to recover better and to train harder prolonging his career and the muscle bulk it puts on has a direct effect on his ability to hit home runs - power. Without steroids Bonds would never have been anywhere close to this record. He is not facing superior pitching to what Aaron did in his day - in Aaron's day there were 4 man pitching staffs, practically every team had at least 2 aces, some had 4 20 game winners - pitching depth sucks in major league baseball today - Bonds is hitting against a lot of guys who should not be in the major leagues.
on the other hand in Aaron's day relief pitching wasn't as specialized, there were no guys groomed to be closers.

Without steroids Bonds would not be within 150 homers of the record - and no even with pitchers using chemicals today Bonds is not facing superior pitching relatively to what Aaron faced.

The media hates Bonds - with good reason. But I hope that when Alex Rodriguez breaks Bonds record they don't forget that most of A Rod's career has been smack in the center of the steroid era.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12875868)

I can engage in coversation fine. When I present facts and you continue to be an ass, yeah I have an issue. I'm not posting for my health Einstien.

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 12875879)

I respect your opinion, and even though I disagree with it I appreciate the fact that you made it without resorting to name calling. There are some others in this thread that should take your cue.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12875904)

Fuck you dude. YOU were the one giving me a history lesson on how things were in the 80's. YOU start shit by talking to me like some 22 year old punk in here that can barely remember the early 90's. Talk about lack of respect. Want to give me a refresher on the 70's? Hey the 30th anniversary of Elvis's death is coming up. Want to tell me about that? Wait I can actually remember what I was fucking doing that day when I found out.