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  • RawAlex
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2003
    • 9465
    #31
    Originally posted by crockett
    If you are an American citizen you still have to comply with US laws, reguardless of where you live. If you do business with US customers, you have to comply with US laws.
    Sorry, but for this you are wrong.

    If you are an American citizen, you must comply with US law if you are living and / or operating in the US. Companies and individuals who live outside of the US are no more subject to US labeling laws than a European radio station would be subject to the FCC.

    We don't export a product, we sell traffic. My surfers are entirely 2257 compliant.

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      • crockett
        in a van by the river
        • May 2003
        • 76818
        #32
        Originally posted by GatorB
        2257 is bullshit American law. So no I don't see why non-American should have to abide by it. China and Iran have anti-porn laws. Does that mean you wouldn't sell to Chinese and Iranians if you could making money off that traffic? Sure you would.
        Do you plan on traveling to Iran or China anytime soon? I'm sure if you did, and they found out what you do, breaks one of their laws. Well I'm sure it would likely cause you trouble once you entered their countries.
        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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          • crockett
            in a van by the river
            • May 2003
            • 76818
            #33
            Originally posted by RawAlex
            Sorry, but for this you are wrong.

            If you are an American citizen, you must comply with US law if you are living and / or operating in the US. Companies and individuals who live outside of the US are no more subject to US labeling laws than a European radio station would be subject to the FCC.

            We don't export a product, we sell traffic. My surfers are entirely 2257 compliant.

            You are crazy if you think being an American citizen and just moving offshore allows you to ignore US laws. Ask the guys from Netteller how well that worked out for them.
            In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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              • Humpy Leftnut
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2007
                • 1292
                #34
                You can ignore the laws - but then you risk coming back. Kinda hard to check their "arrest on arrival" list before landing.
                Humpy Leftnut - Pornsumer Reviews

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                  • Humpy Leftnut
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1292
                    #35
                    What I'm still unclear about is whether an International citizen COULD make a list for breaking this US law? I mean it's meant for US citizens and companies! I mean with this logic, I already can't go to china? You'd think you'd have to do something bad *in* china to be arrested for it? They could arrest me just for having my websites? I guess china can do what they want..

                    But I have a hard time believing they're going to make a big list of non-american webmasters to arrest on arrival
                    Humpy Leftnut - Pornsumer Reviews

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                      • crockett
                        in a van by the river
                        • May 2003
                        • 76818
                        #36
                        Originally posted by Humpy Leftnut
                        What I'm still unclear about is whether an International citizen COULD make a list for breaking this US law? I mean it's meant for US citizens and companies! I mean with this logic, I already can't go to china? You'd think you'd have to do something bad *in* china to be arrested for it? They could arrest me just for having my websites? I guess china can do what they want..

                        But I have a hard time believing they're going to make a big list of non-american webmasters to arrest on arrival
                        I don't think so, so it's likely a mute point right now for non US citizens. Unless you became a target. In reality, if you do business inside the US with US customers, then legally you are bound by US laws, even if you live outside the US.

                        Now if you would be put on an arrest on arrival list I have no clue, I would doubt it unless they had you targeted for something. Meaning they likely wouldn't arrest you for not complying with something like 2257 but if they suspected or had proof you were deal in CP or something like that then they likely would.

                        Would likely work the same for any country, not just the US. It's just like when China and Germany were threating webmasters out side their countries a few years back.

                        Anyway this isn't a topic about what's right or wrong or what a govt can or can't do. Rather a topic asking what other webmasters plan to do. Seems no one has any plans or they don't care yet.
                        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                          • Humpy Leftnut
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 1292
                            #37
                            Good points. I think everyone is waiting for the final decision before making any panic plays, because things could change. It's pretty clear that free sites as we know them from the USA are going to be a thing of the past though, when reality sets in. I don't think many people really get this yet.

                            What will probably happen is webmasters will still do nothing, make no changes (or make the wrong ones) and wait for people to start getting busted. When webmasters start crying here that they have to go to court and are facing jailtime - then people will start to pull their sites and make plans.
                            Humpy Leftnut - Pornsumer Reviews

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                              • Jensen
                                Confirmed User
                                • Apr 2001
                                • 3790
                                #38
                                Originally posted by crockett
                                If you are an American citizen you still have to comply with US laws, reguardless of where you live. If you do business with US customers, you have to comply with US laws.
                                so with the internet live and kicking I have to comply not only with US laws but with every god damn country on the planet.. right? thats kind of tricky and I'm pretty sure that seriously few US webmasters have studied norwegian laws ..

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                                  • crockett
                                    in a van by the river
                                    • May 2003
                                    • 76818
                                    #39
                                    Originally posted by Jensen
                                    so with the internet live and kicking I have to comply not only with US laws but with every god damn country on the planet.. right? thats kind of tricky and I'm pretty sure that seriously few US webmasters have studied norwegian laws ..

                                    In the strict sense of the law yes. If you do biz in a country, in most cases you would be required to follow their laws. I just depends how each country considers the Internet in regards to doing biz.

                                    Now it's unlikely, you would ever become a target by another country, unless you were scamming or producing illegal content. So in most cases it's a mute point. However I don't think I'd travel to China and tell them I sell porn online, same with Germany or the UK.

                                    For the average person out side the US, it likely won't be an issue. However I'm inside the US and a US citizen so it is an issue for me.

                                    At this point, the only way I can see operating a legal free site, would be if I onlt deal with programs that provide me with 2257 info, or run my own paysites and just promote them.
                                    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                      • just a punk
                                        So fuckin' bored
                                        • Jun 2003
                                        • 32393
                                        #40
                                        Originally posted by crockett
                                        That doesn't cut it anymore.
                                        So you wanna say these won't fly anymore:
                                        http://pornaccess.com/2257.php
                                        http://deluxepass.com/usc2257.php?tpl=2&cat=tn
                                        http://www.pornpayperview.com/compli...ont_delete.cfm

                                        Right?

                                        Just wonder...
                                        Obey the Cowgod

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                                          • fallenmuffin
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Nov 2005
                                            • 8170
                                            #41
                                            I'm enjoying the debate and would like a solid answer.. this thread is bookmarked.

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                                              • crockett
                                                in a van by the river
                                                • May 2003
                                                • 76818
                                                #42
                                                Originally posted by cyberxxx
                                                So you wanna say these won't fly anymore:
                                                http://pornaccess.com/2257.php
                                                http://deluxepass.com/usc2257.php?tpl=2&cat=tn
                                                http://www.pornpayperview.com/compli...ont_delete.cfm

                                                Right?

                                                Just wonder...
                                                Not under the current proposed changes. It makes secondary producers required to keep the same records as the primary producer. So just having links to the primary would no longer be legal. You would be required to put your own business address on the bottom of each page and keep all the records yourself.

                                                Seems like no many people here understand that.
                                                In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                  • just a punk
                                                    So fuckin' bored
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 32393
                                                    #43
                                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                                    You would be required to put your own business address on the bottom of each page and keep all the records yourself.

                                                    Seems like no many people here understand that.
                                                    Those are not my sites (look at the domain names) However I believe those programs have very good lawyers, so they understand it better than me or you
                                                    Obey the Cowgod

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                                                      • Robbie
                                                        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 20960
                                                        #44
                                                        Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                        Most people are going to shut down their TGPs. That way they will not be arrested and thrown in jail. In a few weeks, there will be no more TGPs or freesites on the internet.
                                                        This is absolutely the truth! Everybody please close down all tgp's. I'll keep mine open just to throw the cops off the trail! Yes, I know it's a big sacrifice for me...but IF they ever "come after" tgps I'll be the fall guy for all of you. Now please form a line and leave the porn biz the same way you came in...


                                                        -Robbie
                                                        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                          • BV
                                                            wtf
                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                            • 10914
                                                            #45
                                                            Originally posted by cyberxxx
                                                            Those are not my sites (look at the domain names) However I believe those programs have very good lawyers, so they understand it better than me or you
                                                            obviously not

                                                            Crockett,

                                                            Don't waste your time here talking about 2257 stuff.

                                                            99.9% of the posters here don't have a clue.

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