Does an IP per site effect your Google rankings? - GoFuckYourself.com

JD · 08-03-2007, 10:43 AM

Me and a friend are arguing about if having dedicated IP's versus shared IP's will effect your rank in Google. I think it does...

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I hear that there was recently a discussion on a NANOG (North American Network Operators Group) email list about virtual hosting vs. dedicated IP addresses. They were commenting on the misconception that having multiple sites hosted on the same IP address will in some way affect the PageRanks of those sites. There is no PageRank difference whatsoever between these two cases (virtual hosting vs. a dedicated IP). Someone on the email discussion already dug out this Slashdot interview from mid-2003 with Craig Silverstein, Google?s Director of Technology. I refer to question 5, in which someone asked

Why in this day and age does google continue to penalize sites that are virtual hosted? With ip addresses becoming harder to get/justify every day why does google discount the relevance of links that don?t come from a unique ip address. Please don?t just deny it, I think the Internet community deserves an explanation.

Craig?s reply was as follows:

I can?t just deny it? What are my other choices?

Actually, Google handles virtually hosted domains and their links just the same as domains on unique IP addresses. If your ISP does virtual hosting correctly, you?ll never see a difference between the two cases. We do see a small percentage of ISPs every month that misconfigure their virtual hosting, which might account for this persistent misperception?thanks for giving me the chance to dispel a myth!

I?m happy to affirm that this statement which was true in 2003 is still true now. Links to virtually hosted domains are treated the same as links to domains on dedicated IP addresses.

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-b...-ip-addresses/

There's the article that started it all...

hungry hungry hippy · 08-03-2007, 10:56 AM

because matt cutts said it, it must be true.

JD · 08-03-2007, 11:01 AM

^ lol it must be true!

tranza · 08-03-2007, 11:12 AM

Yes, it does affect.

AINOKEA · 08-03-2007, 11:13 AM

Seems like it would be true, that it wouldn't matter. I mean it's the links that point to the domain name that matter. It shouldn't matter about shared or dedicated. I mean it makes sense about the host fucking up the configuration but if you got a well optimized site, I'm sure the difference would be negligible if at all. I read that whole Aaron Walls SEO Ebook and it never once mentioned anything about IP address.

just a punk · 08-03-2007, 11:17 AM

Yep it does. Unfortunately...

thaifan99 · 08-03-2007, 11:34 AM

ways and means.

Baal.PitBull · 08-03-2007, 11:36 AM

I've had a few domains on shared ips that went pr6. not sure if they were affected or not

geeknik · 08-03-2007, 11:40 AM

Anything said on the Internet is automatically and unequivocally true.

Boobs · 08-03-2007, 11:41 AM

plain and simple... yes.

nation-x · 08-03-2007, 11:50 AM

I will start the baddog countdown

10, 9, 8...

baddog · 08-03-2007, 11:54 AM

http://www.bruceclay.com/seo-tech-tips/techtips.htm

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About 3% of all web sites "own" a private IP number, with the remainder being on virtual, or name-based, servers. Although only 3% are dedicated IP's, we have seen that in many instances well over 90% of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. This was so strange that we have repeatedly validated these findings, and have found that switching a site from a virtual IP to a dedicated IP number alone has caused significant ranking increases. Of course, the web is so dynamic that this could be coincidence, but we do not think so.

hungry hungry hippy · 08-03-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I will start the baddog countdown

10, 9, 8...

cue the clueless!

madawgz · 08-03-2007, 12:19 PM

i think it does

JD · 08-03-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

http://www.bruceclay.com/seo-tech-tips/techtips.htm

exactly what I though

Babaganoosh · 08-03-2007, 12:25 PM

Whether or not it hurts you isn't really relevant. What matters is that you are never penalized for using a dedicated IP and IPs are usually around $1/mo so why not use a dedicated IP on any site you would like to see ranked high in the SERPs?

vending_machine · 08-03-2007, 12:25 PM

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About 3% of all web sites "own" a private IP number, with the remainder being on virtual, or name-based, servers. Although only 3% are dedicated IP's, we have seen that in many instances well over 90% of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. This was so strange that we have repeatedly validated these findings, and have found that switching a site from a virtual IP to a dedicated IP number alone has caused significant ranking increases. Of course, the web is so dynamic that this could be coincidence, but we do not think so.

Now is this cause, or effect?

One thing is for sure. If Google is penalizing sites on shared IPs, they will NEVER say so publicly. I would think ARIN would be seriously pissed off.

g$$$ · 08-03-2007, 12:40 PM

how about alexa? same way?

baddog · 08-03-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by g$$$

how about alexa? same way?

Who cares? and why would you?

teg0 · 08-03-2007, 12:59 PM

From what I've seen it does, but you don't really see it as much if you're not linking to a bunch of the other domains you have on the same IP.

XonDemand · 08-03-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

Me and a friend are arguing about if having dedicated IP's versus shared IP's will effect your rank in Google. I think it does...
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-b...-ip-addresses/
There's the article that started it all...

The belief of dedicated IP's versus shared IP's would be ok if they were all on different c-class ip ranges... and not the same block which is hard to get from one isp...

ideally you should go with different c-class ip range for each site and link a-b-c to help ensure correct link pop... lol

just a punk · 08-03-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by teg0

From what I've seen it does, but you don't really see it as much if you're not linking to a bunch of the other domains you have on the same IP.

Exactly.

baddog · 08-03-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XonDemand

The belief of dedicated IP's versus shared IP's would be ok if they were all on different c-class ip ranges... and not the same block which is hard to get from one isp...

ideally you should go with different c-class ip range for each site and link a-b-c to help ensure correct link pop... lol

Our specialty . . . and we never share IP's on our virtual servers.

sortie · 08-03-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by vending_machine

Now is this cause, or effect?

I'd say it's a lot of cause into play.

The older a site is the better rank it will have and the oldest sites were started when everybody go an IP address!
I didn't even know IPs could be shared until I moved from my first host.

Further, sites with dedicated hosting are run by people who are more serious about their website and thus have been doing seo and all the tweaks for years to get this rank. Dedicated hosting mean dedicated IP.

Webmasters that can afford dedicated servers also can afford to promote their site better and give a way free things that create back links etc...

The age of the site is really a killer.
I have a 9 yr old site, I've owned it for nine years but the domain was first created at the start of the internet. I noticed that I was no where to be found in the rankings for a particular term so I added this term to my site and a few weeks later I was the number 3 ranked on google for the term. If I keep that term on the page then I will probbly rank number one in another year. This site has been comming up number one for a particular search term for the entire 9 years!!!

The site is on shared IP.

RawAlex · 08-03-2007, 03:10 PM

At times Matt Cutts appears to write stuff that is either intentionally misleading or doesn't present the whole truth.

IPs are a great example. They claim they don't penalize you for being on a virtual, yet if your domain and another person's domain are on the same IP and one links to the other, that link could be discounted as being "from yourself" (the whole question of links from the same IP blocks).

By attempting to weed out link farmers (nice visual there) Google ends up punishing ordinary people and rewarding the spammers who garner links through comment spamming and loading up .EDU chatrooms.

Not that I think that Matt Cutts lies, I just think he leaves a ton of important information out when he discusses these things.

baddog · 08-03-2007, 03:34 PM

I don't know that Matt is trying to be misleading, a lot of times it is just the interpretation by others that makes it seem that way.

hungry hungry hippy · 08-03-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I don't know that Matt is trying to be misleading, a lot of times it is just the interpretation by others that makes it seem that way.

yeah, cutts intentionally gives away information that will aid people in gaming the company he works for. of course ...

baahhhhh

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hungry hungry hippy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 249	because matt cutts said it, it must be true.

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AINOKEA Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 134	Seems like it would be true, that it wouldn't matter. I mean it's the links that point to the domain name that matter. It shouldn't matter about shared or dedicated. I mean it makes sense about the host fucking up the configuration but if you got a well optimized site, I'm sure the difference would be negligible if at all. I read that whole Aaron Walls SEO Ebook and it never once mentioned anything about IP address.

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Baal.PitBull Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In my house Posts: 205	I've had a few domains on shared ips that went pr6. not sure if they were affected or not

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Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	Whether or not it hurts you isn't really relevant. What matters is that you are never penalized for using a dedicated IP and IPs are usually around $1/mo so why not use a dedicated IP on any site you would like to see ranked high in the SERPs? __________________ I like pie.

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g$$$ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,807	how about alexa? same way?

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teg0 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gringo in Puerto Rico Posts: 4,204	From what I've seen it does, but you don't really see it as much if you're not linking to a bunch of the other domains you have on the same IP.

08-03-2007, 03:10 PM	#25
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	At times Matt Cutts appears to write stuff that is either intentionally misleading or doesn't present the whole truth. IPs are a great example. They claim they don't penalize you for being on a virtual, yet if your domain and another person's domain are on the same IP and one links to the other, that link could be discounted as being "from yourself" (the whole question of links from the same IP blocks). By attempting to weed out link farmers (nice visual there) Google ends up punishing ordinary people and rewarding the spammers who garner links through comment spamming and loading up .EDU chatrooms. Not that I think that Matt Cutts lies, I just think he leaves a ton of important information out when he discusses these things.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I don't know that Matt is trying to be misleading, a lot of times it is just the interpretation by others that makes it seem that way.