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JD · 08-02-2007, 03:29 PM

50mph on the Hershey Highway plz

hardcoreblogger · 08-02-2007, 04:18 PM

that site megarotic.com is #88 alexa it gets fucking huge traffic. hmmm they have a "producer deal" - is that why none of the big programs is taking them down?

JD · 08-02-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger

that site megarotic.com is #88 alexa it gets fucking huge traffic. hmmm they have a "producer deal" - is that why none of the big programs is taking them down?

because a "bro" runs it or has stake in it most likely

will76 · 08-02-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i posted about this months ago and got almost zero feedback - this site needs to be taken fucking down by this industry - http://www.megarotic.com - it's the worst I've seen for copyright theft and it's traffic is huge. It needs to be taken down - legally or illegally

but i guess this won't be discussed at the upcoming brovention - that would be asking too much. let's discuss trading exits and the latest scam/spam techniques.

depressing - right in the toilet this business is going - a perfect storm has been forming for awhile to pretty much end this industry as a profitable one.

Mutt, i feel you man. I don't know why people wont bond together and attack this shit. Between the torrent sites and all the free content and the spyware stealing our traffic no wonder everyone is complaining about ratios going to shit.

I just don't understand it, the people who can make a difference choose to look the other way.

Part of the problem is the dating, live cams, and toy sales sector of our industry are looking to capitalize on the stolen content and use it to make money at their expense.

I just don't get the ones who use spyware, it hurts EVERYONE including themselves but yet they still do it. Makes no sense.

will76 · 08-02-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

You have a better chance of the Middle East suddenly coming together and signing peace treaties. On one end you have a large number of affiliates that will do anything they can to scam program owners out of every last penny through every shady and outright illegal tactic available. On the other end you have program owners that have spammed and scammed and infuriated their customer base, that then bitch about those fed up customers resorting to torrent sites. All the while they are secretly cutting deals to accept torrent traffic, and then chastising their affiliates that do the same. Why should one end trust the other when they are both outright full of shit?

Every sector of this industry is the same way. When I was attending BACE meetings in Ohio for the strip club and adult bookstore industry I've never seen a bigger collection of egos, liars, and outright scum bags piled into one room. Everyone gave lip service about wanting to untie while looking at each other like they couldn't fucking stand to be breathing the same oxygen, and that was just among the maybe 20% of the adult businesses in the area that could be bothered to attend.

In the end it comes down to this...irregardless of what everyone would like to believe, the adult industry attracts a disproportionate amount of shady people with piss poor work ethics and even poorer business ethics. It's hard to untie the "get rich quick" mindset individuals in here and expect them to do anything to protect themselves if it actually involves doing any amount of work to achieve it. Unlike most in here I have been arrested and jailed more times than I can count to fight for my right to exist and operate, and I'm slowly taking the mindset to do what is best for myself. It's pointless to care when no one else does...

I agree, but that doesn't mean the companies who benefit the most from the industy shouldn't step up and try to put a dent in this shit.

For example, if my company grossed 200 million a year, I wouldn't be buying spyware traffic I would be spending .005% or more of my income to fight it, for my good and and for the greater good of the industry that I benefit so much from.

Everything else aside that right there is the TRUE root of the problem, if the people who make the most don't give a shit, then it doesn't matter if the little guys do. The big companies have the resources to fight this shit, they would earn the respect from other if they did and most people would join in to help.

Seperate the good from the bad.

will76 · 08-02-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

What did you do exactly, besides starting a thread?

starting a thread is more then what 90% of the people here do about these issues, which is nothing.

So many people say " what have you done besides bitch" making posts is raising awareness. The more people see this in the face the harder it is for them to close their eyes and pretend it isn't happening to them.

Mutt · 08-03-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Part of the problem is the dating, live cams, and toy sales sector of our industry are looking to capitalize on the stolen content and use it to make money at their expense.

this is what the porn industry is devolving into - it's going to be like network television, all porn programming is free on the Net with ads for dating, cams, etc - absolutely retarded short term thinking but the worst part of it is those who are gaining from this are doing so by supporting or committing theft. i'd have no problem if an adult movie studio like Redlight District or a web program with their own content like Bangbros decided to just let it all out there for free to draw as many visitors as possible to come view their content and tried to make the same amount of money or more with ads for AFF, Cams etc. the reason they don't is that it would be financial suicide for them to put that amount of money into content production and bandwidth for the revenue that AFF/Cams/AVNAds would yield. the recurring billing paysite model is what makes this industry lucrative. without it there's little here to be made for the majority of webmasters. only those who steal the work of Bangbros, Lightspeed, TopBucks etc can make that model work - easy to make money when you have no costs. fucking parasites.

legal chill - more than chill, a total freeze is needed to put an end to the Megarotic's and the companies who aid and abet.

and the shitty part of making a thread like this is that 100 cockroaches will read it and the light will go in their head that all they have to do is steal great content and get enough traffic to make a good buck off AVNads, AFF, Cams etc. believe me there are people I know doing this now.

the parasites will argue that the millions of surfers on torrents and Megarotic are not buyers anyway - such total bullshit, everyday tens of thousands of surfers are catching on to those sites, surfers who have paid for porn but suddenly a light goes off in their head when they find all their favorite sites' content aviailable for free 'this is fucking fantastic, i don't have to pay for this shit anymore, it's all right here!'

fucking pathetic.

Paul Markham · 08-03-2007, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Um If a guy can whack off to an entire 20 minute scene and he has access to thousands of them on that site WHY would he purchase a membership to a paysite?

Which is why the industry is going to have to change. We are mostly trying to see a 30 day membership to a guy looking for a 30 minute thrill. But everyone else has it wrong.

Paul Markham · 08-03-2007, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So if you buy a stolen tv from a pawnshop, even when you know its stolen, then its ok, since YOU didn't steal it yourself?

Squizzel, try to put both of your braincells together and think of a business plan that doesn't involve the words "steal" or "stolen"

Actually I think Squizzel could be right. My father was a pawn broker in LA, he bought goods and got the seller to sign they were his to sell. He then sold them on. He was working within the law.

The police would come and examine his records sometimes to see if there were any stolen items.

Paul Markham · 08-03-2007, 04:04 AM

Good post Mutt but you avoided the big problem.

We have built a system that worked yesterday, it is floundering today, tomorrow it will have to change or like all bad systems it will become redundant. The system not porn on the Net.

We mainly sell a 30 day, $30 product to a person with a need that can be met for 10 cents. Maybe $1, but never higher. We built this so we can pay the affiliates $15 to $50 a join. We then supply support, tools, content and hosting to the affiliates for free. We have to give affiliates exclusive content, which costs more, mainly because it's saturated by too many affiliates submitting it on TGP sites.

We have also concentrated our attention on affiliates often to the detriment of the surfer. We all know programs and sites that mislead and rip off the surfer.

So there you are, generally speaking we built a poor $30 product to meet a 30 cent need and now under threat from people who are meeting the surfers needs better than ours.

We created it and sustain it, yet you're blaming those who take advantage of our weaknesses and blindness.

The biggest problem with these sites is not that they steal content and few here really care, unless they're stealing from them. It's they appeal more to the surfer than we do. And who's fault is that?

There is nothing wrong with affiliates or the affiliate/traffic system. Except when it results in you becoming unable to meet the buyers needs.

Daimon · 08-03-2007, 05:04 AM

Any days site like this grow and down.
Only what we have to do "ABUSE"
Why anyone do it?

GatorB · 08-03-2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Which is why the industry is going to have to change. We are mostly trying to see a 30 day membership to a guy looking for a 30 minute thrill. But everyone else has it wrong.

Well as an affiliate that's what I have to promote. I don't choose how a program decides to sell it's ware's. Hell I think the whole idea of recurring is actually hurting sales because surfers have been fucked over in the past with cancelling and still being charged. If you're site gives the surfer what he needs then he'll renew anyways.

Also the prices are often too high. Yes compared to the late 80's early 90's when I was paying $6 for Hustler with no actual penetration and $5 to rent ONE movie for 24 hours at the local porn shop $40 a month access to hundreds if not thousands of hardcore porn scenes is a great deal. However s guy is not going to shell out $400-$500 a year on porn when he's got to pay for rent food and other bills.

Very few program promote they way you describe. AEBN does with their PPV, but their pricing structure is off too. Sure if you buy in bulk $50 for 575 minutes is only 11.5 cents a minute and if you only jack off for 10 minutes then it's nothing. But if a guy is going to pay $50 for porn why not just get a monthly membership somewhere and just down load all of their movies during that 30 days? At the other end they charge $3.95 for 17 minutes. For $3.95 I can get a 3 day trial to a porn site and download hundreds of movies in those 3 days for use later. They also have a "download ot own" option but those movies are $20 to do that. I can buy most for these DVDs at the local porn shop for $10-$15. Surely a download has a small cost than an actual DVD which has to be manufactured and packaged. So they need to lower their prices.

Also AEBN only pay 25% only pays once a month. If they'd paid better and more often I'd probably promote then more. I think they're a good program so I'm not trying to pick on them I am stating like all programs they over estimate their value to Joe Factoryworker who has no desire to pay $40-$50 a month on porn. I could burn though that 575 minutes in about 2-3 weeks easy.

I have a couple of other issues specifically with AEBN like no linking options for directing linking to specific movies or pornstars or even sex acts which you'd think would be a natural thing to do. But that doesn't have anything to do with the topic on hand.

Paul Markham · 08-03-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Well as an affiliate that's what I have to promote. I don't choose how a program decides to sell it's ware's.

Also AEBN only pay 25% only pays once a month. If they'd paid better and more often I'd probably promote then more.

Good post and illustrates the problem I am talking about.

What is the MAJOR difference between us and sites like Torrent sites and Megarotic, that allows them to operate?

They steal content. BULLSHIT. Content is so cheap they could buy it and still make a profit. This is without all the sites giving them content.

They give it away? BULLSHIT. People will pay, you just have to get the right price for the right product.

They don't pay $30 out on every sign up they get.

If affiliates won't send traffic to AEBN because of how they pay/work, the affiliates are dictating how they have to work. If how they have to work makes the industry vulnerable to sites giving it away, then so be it. Our decision, but please share some of the responsibility.

jonesonyou · 08-03-2007, 05:38 AM

its a small world after all.

Paul Markham · 08-03-2007, 06:05 AM

Budgeting for a porn site.

1,000 scenes = $20,000 (this is top end and can be a lot cheaper)
CMS = $3,000 (can be cheaper)
Servers = $1,000 (can be cheaper and increased as traffic grows)
Design = $1000 (can be cheaper)
Programs = $1,000

$26,000. Any business man will tell you a business will take 2 years to turn the corner into profit. So lets say $1,100 a month.

1 member DL a video scene costs 3-4 cents. Again a good price and falling. He will probably DL no more than 20 in a month. 60 to 80 cents.

1,000 members on a site for a month will cost in content and delivery under $2.00 a month per member. Now we need to add on processing. 30 cents at 15%.

Add on affiliates and everything they need and all of a sudden you need to charge $30 because Gator will not send traffic unless he gets $30 on average for every join. Plus hosting, galleries, banners, tools and big lavish promotion to affiliates. Not trying to single Gator out but he replied to my post.

The blame lies with us. For 7 years we have squeezed the product production to find more money for "traffic". When the major cost of BW fell we did not lower the price or our spending on it. We just gave more away for free to affiliates.

We have done everything we can to maintain an inflated price to pay affiliates. We have spent millions to get affiliates and continue to do so. And now we are suffering from people with a different business model.

WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF COMMERCE. The real world.

GatorB · 08-03-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Good post and illustrates the problem I am talking about.

What is the MAJOR difference between us and sites like Torrent sites and Megarotic, that allows them to operate?

They steal content. BULLSHIT. Content is so cheap they could buy it and still make a profit. This is without all the sites giving them content.

They give it away? BULLSHIT. People will pay, you just have to get the right price for the right product.

They don't pay $30 out on every sign up they get.

If affiliates won't send traffic to AEBN because of how they pay/work, the affiliates are dictating how they have to work. If how they have to work makes the industry vulnerable to sites giving it away, then so be it. Our decision, but please share some of the responsibility.

So what you suggest is that I take 25% revshare when another sponsor is willing to pay me 65%?

Even in the REAL world, workers often dictate how much a company pays for labor. If Company A and Company B both need 10 workers, but only 10 people total apply for jobs at both places and Company A pays 15% higher wages then don't blame those 10 for going to work for Company A over Company B.

Paul Markham · 08-03-2007, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

So what you suggest is that I take 25% revshare when another sponsor is willing to pay me 65%?

Even in the REAL world, workers often dictate how much a company pays for labor. If Company A and Company B both need 10 workers, but only 10 people total apply for jobs at both places and Company A pays 15% higher wages then don't blame those 10 for going to work for Company A over Company B.

You really don't see it do you. Think it through.

How much do Torrent, Piratebay, Megarotic and the others like them pay per join. So how come they survive without affiliates?

In a few years you might be lucky to get 10% and you might earn more on 10%. Think if your % was cut by 80% and the affiliate numbers cut by 90%. more money for those left here.

I might be very wrong, but that would mean the sites I quoted are not a problem and this thread a waste of time. If they are a problem they have a better business model than us and we need to change.

GatorB · 08-03-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You really don't see it do you. Think it through.

How much do Torrent, Piratebay, Megarotic and the others like them pay per join. So how come they survive without affiliates?

In a few years you might be lucky to get 10% and you might earn more on 10%. Think if your % was cut by 80% and the affiliate numbers cut by 90%. more money for those left here.

I might be very wrong, but that would mean the sites I quoted are not a problem and this thread a waste of time. If they are a problem they have a better business model than us and we need to change.

I see it just fine. As I said I don't dictate to a program how they pay out. Affilate system isn't going away soon. Hell even wal-mart has an affiliate program and you'd think they wouldn't need one. What kind of tard can't type in walmart.com or go to their local store?

Why · 08-03-2007, 07:27 AM

this thread had me thinking yesterday so i did my monthly search and just got 20+ movies removed from magerotic and 700+ removed from RapidShare. its really not a problem. just another step in doing business on the internet, apadt or die. survival of the fittest. what those sites do is totally legal. hate to break it to all you folks.

EdgeXXX · 08-03-2007, 07:46 AM

Mutt, if you're serious about wanting to take them down, hit me up on icq. I'm willing to spearhead this...

raymor · 08-03-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gasper

What about if paysites would start offering flash videos (non-downloadable) instead of downloadable wmv or avi files.

I know surfers want downloadable content so that they can jerk off to it later. But I guess it would be harder to rip such content.

Flash is easy to save, but much harder to protect. Also note that people with with
newer computers can't run Flash, since it isn't available for 64 bit processors, so you'd
be giving up a bunch of your customers. Also of course many people with older 32bit
systems don't have Flash installed.

Disclaimer - They may have released Flash for 64 bit in the last few days and I wouldn't
know about it, but it wasn't available for several months anyway. Yes, I know on some
systems you can do weird hacks to get Flash mostly working, but your average punter
hasn't set all that up.

08-02-2007, 04:18 PM	#52
hardcoreblogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Where the wild things are Posts: 761	that site megarotic.com is #88 alexa it gets fucking huge traffic. hmmm they have a "producer deal" - is that why none of the big programs is taking them down? __________________

08-03-2007, 04:04 AM	#60
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Good post Mutt but you avoided the big problem. We have built a system that worked yesterday, it is floundering today, tomorrow it will have to change or like all bad systems it will become redundant. The system not porn on the Net. We mainly sell a 30 day, $30 product to a person with a need that can be met for 10 cents. Maybe $1, but never higher. We built this so we can pay the affiliates $15 to $50 a join. We then supply support, tools, content and hosting to the affiliates for free. We have to give affiliates exclusive content, which costs more, mainly because it's saturated by too many affiliates submitting it on TGP sites. We have also concentrated our attention on affiliates often to the detriment of the surfer. We all know programs and sites that mislead and rip off the surfer. So there you are, generally speaking we built a poor $30 product to meet a 30 cent need and now under threat from people who are meeting the surfers needs better than ours. We created it and sustain it, yet you're blaming those who take advantage of our weaknesses and blindness. The biggest problem with these sites is not that they steal content and few here really care, unless they're stealing from them. It's they appeal more to the surfer than we do. And who's fault is that? There is nothing wrong with affiliates or the affiliate/traffic system. Except when it results in you becoming unable to meet the buyers needs. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-03-2007, 05:04 AM	#61
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08-03-2007, 05:38 AM	#64
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08-03-2007, 06:05 AM	#65
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Budgeting for a porn site. 1,000 scenes = $20,000 (this is top end and can be a lot cheaper) CMS = $3,000 (can be cheaper) Servers = $1,000 (can be cheaper and increased as traffic grows) Design = $1000 (can be cheaper) Programs = $1,000 $26,000. Any business man will tell you a business will take 2 years to turn the corner into profit. So lets say $1,100 a month. 1 member DL a video scene costs 3-4 cents. Again a good price and falling. He will probably DL no more than 20 in a month. 60 to 80 cents. 1,000 members on a site for a month will cost in content and delivery under $2.00 a month per member. Now we need to add on processing. 30 cents at 15%. Add on affiliates and everything they need and all of a sudden you need to charge $30 because Gator will not send traffic unless he gets $30 on average for every join. Plus hosting, galleries, banners, tools and big lavish promotion to affiliates. Not trying to single Gator out but he replied to my post. The blame lies with us. For 7 years we have squeezed the product production to find more money for "traffic". When the major cost of BW fell we did not lower the price or our spending on it. We just gave more away for free to affiliates. We have done everything we can to maintain an inflated price to pay affiliates. We have spent millions to get affiliates and continue to do so. And now we are suffering from people with a different business model. WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF COMMERCE. The real world. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by Paul Markham; 08-03-2007 at 06:07 AM..

08-02-2007, 03:29 PM	#51
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	50mph on the Hershey Highway plz

08-03-2007, 07:27 AM	#69
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	this thread had me thinking yesterday so i did my monthly search and just got 20+ movies removed from magerotic and 700+ removed from RapidShare. its really not a problem. just another step in doing business on the internet, apadt or die. survival of the fittest. what those sites do is totally legal. hate to break it to all you folks.

08-03-2007, 07:46 AM	#70
EdgeXXX Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Secretely plotting a hostile takeover Posts: 5,816	Mutt, if you're serious about wanting to take them down, hit me up on icq. I'm willing to spearhead this... __________________ . . . . I have a sig